2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Chili Fries]

Why do you think that? The only evidence I have seen is the Facebook postings, which I think is so much window dressing.

TH's actions since the attempted kidnapping of baby K at the gym daycare (detailed in the motion for contempt of the RO) of Kyron indicate indifference to her baby, not unusual in a narcissist. The sexting and romantic chase of her new friend, and her decision not to contest the R.O., suggest indifference to me...

Nothing indicates she wanted to provide a decent home for her baby...

Yes, my opinion is greatly based on the Facebook pictures. I know the pictures make it look like the whole family is happy but to me her focus on the baby really stands out. I think she could be very narcissistic and responsible for Kyron's disappearance while still greatly missing her daughter. I don't think those things, if they are true, are necessarily mutually exclusive, especially with the baby's second birthday coming up in 3 weeks.

 

[cluciano63]

It may not be "right" but she would not be the first woman to pay more attention to her biological baby than to a stephchild, especially at the "baby" stage when she had not had a baby in well over a decade...

I do think she wants to see, and misses her baby and while I am not quite convinced she "disappeared" Kyron, I do think she might have some guilt re: extramarital affairs and a conversation with the landscaper as to her wishes to be rid of Kaine, whether or not she actually intended to follow through. I don't think she could honestly respond to questions about whether or not she ever had such a conversation, which would of course not be in her favor. She may have admitted as much to her lawyers and that would prevent her from taking the stand.

 

[Jo in Calif]

BBM

It is amazing what parental instincts will compel us to do to fight for the safety of our vulnerable children. He has some proof frem LE regarding the fact that Terri wanted him murdered. He also had reason to believe she is involved in whatever happened to his son, Kyron. If it is just his gut, that is more than enough reason to protect Baby K.

Jo, I think that your wording is very tame compared to how Kaine feels about Terri getting anywhere near their child, even if it is supervised.

There is no doubt that Kaine is intensely serious about fighting for the safety of his remaining child.

My opinions.

I have to keep my wording tame, I like it here, I don't want to get the boot.
I also agree Kaine is intensely serious about fighting for the safety of his remaining child.

 

[stmarysmead]

I have to keep my wording tame, I like it here, I don't want to get the boot.
I also agree Kaine is intensely serious about fighting for the safety of his remaining child.

Jo, this made me think of the restraint most people have when something is important to them, like keeping their membership to a great place like Websleuths. We behave in a way to enable us to be here.

After Kaine left with Baby K, Terri knew she was under police surveillance. She sent her friends out to get Bat phones...they had their important conversations in the yard.

She knew it was one of the most crucial times in her life...in regard to many things, including her chances to be reunited with Baby K.

So did she show restraint? Did she dial it back to do whatever it took to increase her chances, AT A TIME WHEN SHE KNEW LE WERE WATCHING?

Nope. She indulged herself sexting and taking graphic photos of herself.

Does that sound like a Mother to whom her Baby is first priority?

She couldn't even summon the the kind of common sense restraint most of us do...just to keep our favorites PASTIMES in our life...not to mention our child.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Very accurate and excellent points SMM...

And when put that way[e.g. comparing a pastime to something of grave importance as your child's well being] it truly shows IMO Terri's Narcissist traits...

 

[Trt]

Bean, I completely missed the wording in your first post...my apologies. I still disagree that the language is less resolved regarding Terri. The allegations contained on the RO are already "true" as far as the family court is concerned. There isn't any need to go back to the probable cause statements for the purposes of this motion. IMO.

 

[AnaTeresa]

That makes sense. TH may not have an interest in seeing baby K at all...that would fit with her waiting this long to ask for visitation...

We don't know how she's been advised by her attorneys. It could be she is acting in the manner they believe will most likely secure her visitation or custody in the future - or help prove her innocence.

If I was ever accused, and in the midst of a custody dispute, I'd do whatever my attorneys told me would exonerate me and get my kids back - even if it was tough at first, or if it looked like I didn't care. It's a marathon and not a sprint with this case.

 

[BeanE]

Bean, I completely missed the wording in your first post...my apologies. I still disagree that the language is less resolved regarding Terri. The allegations contained on the RO are already "true" as far as the family court is concerned. There isn't any need to go back to the probable cause statements for the purposes of this motion. IMO.

Trt, I know that since Terri didn't contest the RO, that the judge will presume the allegations to be true for the purposes of the RO.

As I said, it just surprises me, and confuses me, that at this time, when Kaine and his attorney should be coming out with guns blazing, and have the opportunity to get the judge's attention and focus it on the criticality of this issue, for the baby, that this document failed to add the few words that would have helped to do that.

I'll just wait and see what other info may become available about it.

 

[Adrienne37]

I seriously doubt the wording of Rackner's motion is going to sway the judge one way or another. I think too much relevance is being placed on the "words" that she used in preparing the document. I'm sure the judge is going to make the best decision that he can in regards to baby K's best interest just as I am sure that Rackner has more than enough evidence to present to the judge if he needs it to help render his decision. JMO.

 

[mountaintime]

Besides the legal maneuvering here...
imagine if your partner ,that you believed in your heart was involved with the disappearance and possible death of your little son, after months of showing no interest ( and having another relationship in the interim!) wanted time with your only remaining child...
I too would fight like a tiger to prevent it.
Whatever the legal right and wrong of it...I would fight.
JMO

 

[gwenabob]

Trt, I know that since Terri didn't contest the RO, that the judge will presume the allegations to be true for the purposes of the RO.

As I said, it just surprises me, and confuses me, that at this time, when Kaine and his attorney should be coming out with guns blazing, and have the opportunity to get the judge's attention and focus it on the criticality of this issue, for the baby, that this document failed to add the few words that would have helped to do that.

I'll just wait and see what other info may become available about it.

This was just a motion against an expedited hearing. It was not a response as to the reasons why TH should not have visitation. Those arguments will come later. This is only to explain to the judge why TH should not get a special expedited hearing.

 

[BeanE]

This was just a motion against an expedited hearing. It was not a response as to the reasons why TH should not have visitation. Those arguments will come later. This is only to explain to the judge why TH should not get a special expedited hearing.

Yes, I know. Didn't change how I feel when I considered that.

It's an opportunity to get important information on record and get the judge's attention to it, at a critical time, in a critical issue, with only a few more words, and the document failed to do that. It surprises me.

 

[pufnstuf]

This was just a motion against an expedited hearing. It was not a response as to the reasons why TH should not have visitation. Those arguments will come later. This is only to explain to the judge why TH should not get a special expedited hearing.

I don't think that there's any valid argument against what you're saying. That's exactly what the motion is.

Kaine's information gathering begins when the deposition and document subpoenas begin going out.

I'm not understanding why there's even an iota of confusion about this.

 

[Trt]

Yes, I know. Didn't change how I feel when I considered that.

It's an opportunity to get important information on record and get the judge's attention to it, at a critical time, in a critical issue, with only a few more words, and the document failed to do that. It surprises me.

This information is already on record and has been since June 28, 2010 when Kaine filed his petition and made his case for the RO at the ex parte hearing. I think it's a non issue considering this same judge has already given credence to the allegations in the RO. This judge knows that LE has given Kaine probable cause to believe his statements...it has already been recorded and a RO granted because of it.

I guess it *might* have made the paragraph stronger to include those two words, but they have already been submitted to record, so their absence is not any indication of anything changing, IMO.

 

[BeanE]

I don't think that there's any valid argument against what you're saying. That's exactly what the motion is.

Kaine's information gathering begins when the deposition and document subpoenas begin going out.

I'm not understanding why there's even an iota of confusion about this.

I completely agree. Gwen's post certainly seems accurate to me too, and I certainly wouldn't argue against it, nor does any part of it confuse me.

 

[citigirl]

Yes, my opinion is greatly based on the Facebook pictures. I know the pictures make it look like the whole family is happy but to me her focus on the baby really stands out. I think she could be very narcissistic and responsible for Kyron's disappearance while still greatly missing her daughter. I don't think those things, if they are true, are necessarily mutually exclusive, especially with the baby's second birthday coming up in 3 weeks.

You could be right, but I just haven't seen any evidence...until now... and it is too little too late for me to take it seriously...

I agree with those who say it is a legal maneuver to see what Kaine's attorneys have on Terri...

 

[pufnstuf]

Trt, I know that since Terri didn't contest the RO, that the judge will presume the allegations to be true for the purposes of the RO.

As I said, it just surprises me, and confuses me, that at this time, when Kaine and his attorney should be coming out with guns blazing, and have the opportunity to get the judge's attention and focus it on the criticality of this issue, for the baby, that this document failed to add the few words that would have helped to do that.

I'll just wait and see what other info may become available about it.

I really don't find anything confusing at all about the motion. Indeed, I'm positive that this situation has the judge's full attention, and the omission or inclusion of "a few words" won't make or break Kaine's motion.

 

[BeanE]

This information is already on record and has been since June 28, 2010 when Kaine filed his petition and made his case for the RO at the ex parte hearing. I think it's a non issue considering this same judge has already given credence to the allegations in the RO. This judge knows that LE has given Kaine probable cause to believe his statements...it has already been recorded and a RO granted because of it.

I guess it *might* have made the paragraph stronger to include those two words, but they have already been submitted to record, so their absence is not any indication of anything changing, IMO.

Well, certainly the $350,000, for example, is already on record too, and far less critical, if critical at all, to the safety, well-being, and best interests of this baby, yet time and effort was placed into putting it on record yet again in this document.

What's most important here? To me, it's Kyron and the baby.

 

[pufnstuf]

Well, certainly the $350,000, for example, is already on record too, and far less critical, if critical at all, to the safety, well-being, and best interests of this baby, yet time and effort was placed into putting it on record yet again in this document.

What's most important here? To me, it's Kyron and the baby.

It absolutely is important to the filing. Beside the point that the woman who most likely abducted and killed his son is expecting him to pick up her legal tab for civil cases resulting from said abduction AND an attempt to contract a hit on him...even putting the emotional stuff aside related to that...



Kaine doesn't have a money tree. Any money that he pays for Terri's expenses is money that he won't have to pay for his daughter's current and future expenses.

 

[Trt]

Well, certainly the $350,000, for example, is already on record too, and far less critical, if critical at all, to the safety, well-being, and best interests of this baby, yet time and effort was placed into putting it on record yet again in this document.

What's most important here? To me, it's Kyron and the baby.

Actually, since Terri is requesting that Kaine pay for her to have supervised visitation with K, it is very prudent to bring up the unresolved issue of the money that Terri used to hire her high profile attorney. It is a lot different than the information provided in RO petition which has already been proven true.

I suppose if Terri's motion had mentioned that they don't believe that the RO allegations are true and Kaine failed to mention the probable cause, then that would be a different story. But the
reality is that even Terri and her lawyers have yet to refute Kaine's assertions.

If this motion were the only thing that the judge had to go on to make a decision, I could see it being a potential issue. But it's not. And it won't be. Jmo