2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[beach]

That was actually the same time Mark Nejame quit. What was the reason he gave? He couldn't play a part in defending Casey? I believe Brad came in around the time Caylee was found. Not to say that Brad doesn't know though.

That was an interesting few weeks, IMO. Below is not in any certain order.

The silent interview where Cindy IMO, looks like she's been told someone died
Caylee was alive and seen at the mall presser
Nejame quits
The meet and greet while DC is at the woods
Cindy sends an email that also got sent to Kathi Belich and Sean K (both handed theirs over to LE)
Cindy claims someone else hacked into her computer and sent that email out.

You are exactly right! Here is the WESH article which contains Mark Nejame's statement. It is dated 11/20/08!

 

[faefrost]

Respectively and not wanting to offend anyone here - let me say "let's do a reality check here." The only way Cindy would have "known" Caylee was dead is if she killed her.

Cindy knew ICA lied about everything. Even is Baez came to Cindy and said - ICA says the baby is dead - I believe Cindy would have held on to a shred of hope this was a lie.

As far as Dom and woo-woo Ginny searching the woods, ICA had been saying since August that Caylee was close - and since statistics place children killed by a parent within 3 miles of their home, to me it is a well-duh event that someone sent Ginny a map and said put an X somewhere here. And Ginny's smell death nose through the phone no less :furious: and her amazing ability :furious:helped her send Dom to search that place.

I don't believe for a second Dom found Caylee - that guy was after money, fame and fortune - his emails point out he had not one ounce of human decency. If he'd found Caylee's remains he would have run so fast to the nearest TV station, all you'd see is a trail of smoke in his tracks.

I'll bet Cindy was the first to jump on the news that he did not find Caylee in the woods, and in Cindy's demented mind - that must have meant she was still alive, and there was still hope.

Dom was in the woods looking for paver's and black plastic garbage bags. Sorry but that was in no way a "psychic tip". someone in there had direct knowledge of exactly what had happened to that child and where they were placed.

And I agree if he had actually found anything he would have run and sold it to the enquirer or similar, regardless of what his instructions were from CA or JB. Why do you think he had the video camera there? he planned on selling the video of the find.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Mark NeJame had represented George and Cindy Anthony since Sept. 4.

"I won't comment about what they did or didn't do. All I will say is that I need to be in control of my clients. I need to be in control of my cases," NeJame said.

NeJame released a statement about his decision:

"Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony.

"George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these "sightings" will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope?

"Who is one person to tell another parent or grandparent when it is time for them to abandon their faith? When does a stranger have the right to judge another who has endured such a loss? The attacks made against them by some are deplorable.

"Let them be to do what they feel they must to find their beloved granddaughter, Caylee. Knowing this case as well as probably anyone on earth, there is no doubt that they do not know where Caylee is. Allow them to walk their own path.

"I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not. It impressed me that George and Cindy, both believing that Caylee was still with us, had an overriding and primary concern in finding Caylee, even if the result was not as they would hope. The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense.

"Abundant efforts have been made towards finding Caylee. I have worked with so many involved in this matter towards the goal of finding this dear, missing child who has captured the hearts of so many. Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from Equusearch, tells me 'everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.' However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you're doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are.

"I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.

"I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client's prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

"As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation.
"There should only be one goal and that is to find Caylee Marie Anthony."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18025611/detail.html

 

[logicalgirl]

Dom was in the woods looking for paver's and black plastic garbage bags. Sorry but that was in no way a "psychic tip". someone in there had direct knowledge of exactly what had happened to that child and where they were placed.

And I agree if he had actually found anything he would have run and sold it to the enquirer or similar, regardless of what his instructions were from CA or JB. Why do you think he had the video camera there? he planned on selling the video of the find.

Agree. If he's known the body was there somewhere, and the psychic was "helping" him, I believe the conversation would go something like this. Ginny "what do you see?" Dom" I see three concrete pavers" Ginny - Can you see anything else? Just 3 pavers?" Dom"no" Ginny"you are in the right place - I see 3 paver stones" Ginny - "what do you see now" Dom " just garbage and black garbage bags, nothing else" Ginny " I see she is in a black garbage bag"."Look for a black garbage bag."

Sigh. :banghead::banghead:

 

[The World According]

Once Cindy went into the full fledged save Casey mode, which imo, was pretty early on, I believe she knew the child was dead.George's best friend told Mr. Miller that they knew that all the answers are right there down the hall, pointing to Casey's room and she wont talk. Mark Furhman tells in his recent book how he told mom and pop that you know Caylee is dead, right? Cindy sobbed quietly and George nodded in agreement, he wrote. The not giving the Federal Agent the correct hairbrush is not the act of a desperate grandmother trying to help the FBI look for a live grand daughter, but rather the act of one who knows that child is gone forever and now she has to try to save her other girl.

Cindy's actions all tell me she knew. Certainly not on that 911 phone call when she is emotionally leveled to the ground, but during the time Rob and Tracey were guarding Casey while out on bail, or shortly thereafter I do think she knew.
I could be wrong, of course, but that is my belief after watching her in action over the last two years.

Listen to what Mr. Nejame thought, having been dead set in the middle of that storm. He had a very strong impression of what had happened, and that Casey Anthony and Casey Anthony alone is the one who knows what that was. I trust his judgment being on the inside of that home. "I have my opinion, and I believe mine is very well informed. No one ever heard me say that Caylee was still with us. It was apparent to me what had occurred .I don't want to assist Casey, that is something I refuse t o do", Mark Nejame said. Check it out:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENR8RQSwTU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1Umu7GBVw[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rpTTHvezs[/ame]
MOO

 

[Numbers]

You are right. Lee's then. But the Ritz for a group dinner? C'mon.

I ain't touching the Ritz thing with an 11-foot pole.

You are correct - NOT on the "appropriate place to grieve" list.

 

[logicalgirl]

Once Cindy went into the full fledged save Casey mode, which imo, was pretty early on, I believe she knew the child was dead.George's best friend told Mr. Miller that they knew that all the answers are right there down the hall, pointing to Casey's room and she wont talk. Mark Furhman tells in his recent book how he told mom and pop that you know Caylee is dead, right? Cindy sobbed quietly and George nodded in agreement. The not giving the Federal Agent the correct hairbrush is not the act of a desperate grandmother trying to help the FBI look for a live grand daughter, but rather the act of one who knows that child is gone forever and now she has to try to save her other girl.

Cindy's actions all tell me she knew. Certainly not on that 911 phone call when she is emotionally leveled to the ground, but during the time Rob and Tracey were guarding Casey while out on bail, or shortly thereafter I do think she knew.
I could be wrong, of course, but that is my belief after watching her in action over the last two years.
Mr. Nejame said the reason he resigned was because he had a very strong impression of what had happened, and that Casey Anthony and Casey Anthony alone is the one who knows what that was. I trust his judgment being on the inside of that home. Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1Umu7GBVw

I agree with most of what you said - except that you have excluded the word "probably" as in knew the child was "probably dead". Or even the words "most likely".
And you have also excluded Cindy's very obvious and disturbing tendency to refuse to give up hope Caylee was alive, plus her glaringly obvious and unbalanced "full denial" mode. IMO

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I'm choking this out because I can't believe I'm defending the Anthonys.

"b) rush to be in the privacy and comfort of their own home where they can grieve" was not an option because LE was tearing the place apart doing a search. How about "b) going to Lee's place where they could be alone and grieve?"

I can almost see how the A's could have taken the offer to hide at the Ritz. I can see them knowing LE had the house in their possession and I can even see *IF* grieving them not even wanting to go to LA's place and hoping they could just whisk off and hide at the Ritz ........BUTTTTTTTTT - here is where it all breaks down - you don't dine in public if you are grieving and especially if you are there to seek shelter from the media. YOU ORDER ROOM SERVICE AND CRY ON IT TILL IT'S SOGGY as most grieving CAN'T EAT. So, IMHO they knew.

 

[countzero]

I ain't touching the Ritz thing with an 11-foot pole.

You are correct - NOT on the "appropriate place to grieve" list.

Well I will touch it for ya.

Having suffered through a few tragic passings in my family as well as close friends have, I have never experienced ANYONE going out immediately to eat a full course meal at a fancy eatery. Laughing and drinking well into the night then going up to a hotel room with a man other than my husband.

Simply knowing a loved one passed or could possibly pass, we couldn't eat for weeks other than being force fed by well meaning friends and family members.

Those actions displayed by the A clan and those associated with them speak volumes of their character. Not to say they had any to start with.

 

[beach]

Please excuse this interruption, but I think there is still a lot of sleuthing to be done that tie these emails to timelines in re. other things/people, etc...I don't want this thread to get closed.

I realize so many of these things we are now discussing are stemming off of the emails, but we've ventured wayyyy OT (I'm totally including myself here!). I think we better start bumping old threads and opening new ones before the mods start :gavel: and then tick-a-lock.


Just a suggestion. :couch:



ETA: I just bumped a couple of threads (Nejame quits & The significance of Cindy's silent interview).

 

[The World According]

What are the dates of Dominic's search in the woods compared to this tape?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpteGu0PL0[/ame]

Although these e mails are new to us I trust LE has gotten to the bottom of any questions they have regarding any and all of it.

PS: Logical girl : Whenever I write I say, IMO and then I carry on. It is just my take on it unless I am quoting someone directly. Regarding Cindy believing Caylee is still alive, I don't believe that , I think that is made for public consumption. That too is just my feeling on the matter. I value our discussions because the jury surely will need to do so. God bless them,in advance.

 

[beach]

What are the dates of Dominic's search in the woods compared to this tape?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpteGu0PL0

Although these e mails are new to us I trust LE has gotten to the bottom of any questions they have regarding any and all of it.

PS: Logical girl : Whenever I write I say, IMO and then I carry on. It is just my take on it unless I am quoting someone directly. Regarding Cindy believing Caylee is still alive, I don't believe that , I think that is made for public consumption. That too is just my feeling on the matter. I value our discussions because the jury surely will need to do so. God bless them,in advance.

I just looked that up and posted in response to SusieQ. The date of that video is 11/20/08. (Only 5 days after DC's search) The timing is very interesting.

 

[LancelotLink]

Don't want to venture OT. Am going to find the incident with GA barging in on MN and TM press conference. That was never explained, not to my satisfaction...

 

[I Din Doot]

Can DC really be the bumbling fool he appears to be or is some of his legitimate work product missing from these e mails that makes it all look out of context? Did he really believe these soothsayers or was he just riding along?

Seems to me if I know how to Google, open up a People Finder account, purchase a voodoo doll, I too could be a PI. Get my peeps right on that lead.

Guess I just wonder if he really did any actual investigative type work. Anybody know how he and JB got together in the beginning? Did he inject himself or did JB seek him out.

Just wondrin

 

[Solace]

Notice she never mentioned Luke?? I believe he is Smith, the "event" coordinator.

Lance,

Do you really think that DC was "supposed to find her and hide her". Do you really think that a private detective is going to find a murdered victim and hide the body. That does not makes sense, if you'll forgive me. Firstly, he brought Hoover with him to TAPE him. And Hoover did. Why would he do that.

But more importantly why would DC who just met these people put himself and his life in harm's way when he knows the world is watching. I just don't see that.

I agree that Cindy came to the "realization" finally that Caylee is dead. I don't think anyone told her that Casey admitted it or anything like that. I think, as she told Sean Krauss, that she knew KC was a sociopath, that the evidence showed foul play, that her daughter lied nonstop and this is her realization point and she is medicated to the hilt. It is a very very hard realization because it means that Cindy did not do what she should have and that is take this child from KC before something awful happens to the child. And it did.

Lee was annoyed that they might look in the woods because this is something they did not consider. DC says he spoke to a psychic. Why is this so hard to believe. He spoke to a psychic who got parts of the info right and took a look and Cindy is now coming to the realization. I don't see anything else.

 

[LambChop]

Can DC really be the bumbling fool he appears to be or is some of his legitimate work product missing from these e mails that makes it all look out of context? Did he really believe these soothsayers or was he just riding along?

Seems to me if I know how to Google, open up a People Finder account, purchase a voodoo doll, I too could be a PI. Get my peeps right on that lead.

Guess I just wonder if he really did any actual investigative type work. Anybody know how he and JB got together in the beginning? Did he inject himself or did JB seek him out.

Just wondrin

Don't know the answer to that but JB sure did get his money's worth. jmo

 

[steadychick]

If you read DC's emails around that time he also becomes very edgy and desperate sounding. He apologies to Luke for a snarky email and comments about bringing Caylee home, and how HE must be the one to bring her her home, and comments something about the disrespectful circus has to stop. It also explains why Cindy and George, upon hearing the remains were found don't rush back and either a) show up at the scene sobbing or b) rush to be in the privacy and comfort of their own home where they can grieve. But no, calm and collected, they go to the Ritz for a nice dinner and sit with a group, including a news reporter. They already knew she was there, IMO. Where's the shock of discovery?? Non-existent. Cindy had already "sent someone out there a month ago"... based on info that IN NO WAY came from the 'psychic' GL. They knew.

I've been convinced for a long time that DC actually did find the body, and got quite freaked about it. What first convinced me was seeing the video of DC lifting the pink blanket, and realizing how very close that blanket was to the body. I believe his mission was to move it, but either he just couldn't bring himself to do it or he realized what a futile task that would be given how spread out the remains were. This also explains why KC's reported reaction to the body being found in December was ANGER. She probably thought the problem had already been taken care of, that the body had been moved and disposed of. Can you then imagine her reaction when she found out it had been found by Kronk?

 

[beach]

Lance,

Do you really think that DC was "supposed to find her and hide her". Do you really think that a private detective is going to find a murdered victim and hide the body. That does not makes sense, if you'll forgive me. Firstly, he brought Hoover with him to TAPE him. And Hoover did. Why would he do that.

But more importantly why would DC who just met these people put himself and his life in harm's way when he knows the world is watching. I just don't see that.

I'm gonna go dive for that thread because I thought Hoover admitted doing the taping on his own....that DC did not know about it. :waitasec:

I know that came up during Hoover's depo...


I think it more likely that it was Hoover who was planning on selling that video. Ugh...too many vultures to sleuth. ugh ugh ugh

 

[logicalgirl]

Can DC really be the bumbling fool he appears to be or is some of his legitimate work product missing from these e mails that makes it all look out of context? Did he really believe these soothsayers was

Just wondrin

Pick me - pick me - says LG waving hand! I know the answer to your first question.

YES.
:banghead::banghead::furious:

 

[Solace]

Can DC really be the bumbling fool he appears to be or is some of his legitimate work product missing from these e mails that makes it all look out of context? Did he really believe these soothsayers or was he just riding along?

Seems to me if I know how to Google, open up a People Finder account, purchase a voodoo doll, I too could be a PI. Get my peeps right on that lead.

Guess I just wonder if he really did any actual investigative type work. Anybody know how he and JB got together in the beginning? Did he inject himself or did JB seek him out.

Just wondrin

I do know that Baez stiffed him out of pay, per Hoover's interview. Obviously, these are three men who are in it for the "money" and "fame". DC wanted Hoover to film, but tried to appear secretive even to Hoover, but keep filming. Baez is the sleaze that has to reach up to touch bottom. And Hoover did try to photograph the Anthonys being fingerprinted and admitted wanted to maybe sell the pictures down the line.

So we have three men who lack character and some more than others - Baez is at the top I think, then DC and then Hoover.

I just can't see DC agreeingn to look for the body and if he finds it, hides it. He is not that stupid. IMO