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Very interesting, You are well versed in this case indeed. I share your views.
Question: Was JR wearing the Israeli-made shirt on Christmas night, the day after Christmas (when JBR was found), or (like Patsy), was he wearing the same shirt on both days? Thanks in advance for answers.The black fibers in JB's panties were from John's Israeli-made shirt!
I'm going have to put them next to each other to compare but just looking at this sample from the Choose your own Adventure book.
All I can say is WOW!!
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/080608/david-foster-wallace-choose-your-own-adventure.gif
JMO
Another great appearence by TG, on the LP show.
I found PAT BROWN'S mention of the child's adventure book, 'Choose Your Own Aventure book', being used as a template for the rn, and the similarity in font types quite fascinating/ as well as how PB desribes JR's response to her inquiry.
rr, your q 8 font sample was respectfully mentioned!
Question: Was JR wearing the Israeli-made shirt on Christmas night, the day after Christmas (when JBR was found), or (like Patsy), was he wearing the same shirt on both days? Thanks in advance for answers.
I don't know. I use to know but now I can't remember.
ANYONE???
Here's the best I can do from memory and logic: Thomas said that LE didn't get the Ramseys' clothes for approx. a year. They had photos from the Whites' party on the 25th. They knew full well that Patsy wore the same clothes on the 26th. But no mention was made of John wearing the same clothes.
The Ramseys said they couldn't remember what they wore and had to consult photos to gather up those clothes as best they could to give to LE--a year later.
So I believe, without really remembering exactly how it was said, that Patsy had on the same clothes both the night of the 25th and the day of the 26th, and John changed his from the previous night.
I don't remember anyone speaking to what John or Patsy wore especially on Dec. 24th, though, except maybe in DOI when it was mentioned JB couldn't go up to the Christmas star above Boulder because she had on a nice dress--at least, I think that was Christmas Eve.
But I may be wrong on this. Maybe someone else can look it up, as I don't have time right now.
TT: Okay. Is it kind of, it sounded like Patsy didn’t really want to go up, and had a hassle about going up to Charlevoix. . .
JR: No, no, not really, she was not to crazy about the idea, but . . .
TT: She kind of came around towards the end?
JR: Yeah, yeah she uh, in the end was kind of looking forward to it (inaudible) because we were going to have the kids up there, and it was going to be fun.
TT: John, what did you wear over to the White’s house that night, do you recall?
JR: Uh, I think I had like a black knit sweater shirt kind of thing, uh, and probably wore some khaki colored pants, but I don’t remember specifically, I guess I wore some kind of pants.
TT: And this is one thing we talked to Patsy about; Patsy gave scarves to everybody, was that at the White’s house? Or was that back on the 23rd . . .
R: Uh, I think that was on the 23rd . . .
TT: Fleet and the Fernies and all that?
JR: Yeah, that was the 23rd. Yeah, when he had the Christmas party, I think it was the 23rd, yeah.
TT: Let me show you some pictures here and make sure, see if this is one of the scarves that Patsy is given out or this is the scarves that you have here? This is a picture . . .
JR: No the scarf was given to me by, uh my daughter Beth.
TT: Okay. That’s not one of the scarves then, that Patsy given out
JR: I don’t think so, it, I mean it looks (pause) not to my knowledge, I mean this looks like the scarf that Beth gave me. She got this scarf in Scotland.
13 LOU SMIT: They take a picture
14 every once in awhile to show the time. So
15 forth, that photograph --
16 JOHN RAMSEY: That's their film?
17 LOU SMIT: That's their film, yes.
18 JOHN RAMSEY: That's Priscilla
19 White I believe in the corner with a cup of
20 coffee.
21 LOU SMIT: On 108 shows a picture
22 of Priscilla White in the corner. Who is the
23 gentleman?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I think -- I think
25 that's me with a green shirt on.
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1 LOU SMIT: That's in the foyer
2 area, isn't it?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. And I don't
4 know who else, detective -- I don't know.
5 (INAUDIBLE).
6 LOU SMIT: Okay.
22 TOM HANEY: And that's the jacket that you
23 were wearing that you identified earlier?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
25 TOM HANEY: How about the red -- and I
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1 can't tell --
2 PATSY RAMSEY: No, it's a little
3 turtleneck. I don't know.
4 TOM HANEY: Was that also turned over --
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
6 TOM HANEY: Okay -- by you to Ellis who in
7 turn turned it over to the police?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
9 TOM HANEY: And how about what John was
10 wearing?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
12 TOM HANEY: And --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: This part I remember.
14 TOM HANEY: He's wearing a black long
15 sleeve --
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Shirt.
17 TOM HANEY: -- color and I can't --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, it's hard to tell.
19 TOM HANEY: Okay. Can of peanuts.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
11 MR. LEVIN: Mitch?
12 MR. MORRISSEY: Nothing about the
13 coat.
14 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, we
15 were sent, and Detective Trujillo probably
16 can give me dates on this to orient
17 everyone, two black shirts.
18 CHIEF BECKNER: Same time. It
19 was January 28, 1998.
20 MR. TRUJILLO: Same date.
21 MR. LEVIN: Received the same
22 date as the red coat?
23 CHIEF BECKNER: Yes.
24 Q. (By Mr. Levin) We have asked for
25 -- we had also requested, through your
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1 attorneys, that we be sent a black shirt, a
2 black shirt that John was wearing at the
3 Whites on Christmas of 1996. Were you aware
4 of that request in addition to the request
5 for your red coat?
6 A. I am sure I was.
7 Q. Did you participate in collecting
8 that? What I mean by that is you said,
9 well, I went in my closet and grabbed my
10 jacket. Did you go and grab what you
11 thought was John's shirt? How did that come
12 about? Why don't you just tell us in your
13 own words?
14 A. I don't remember. More likely he
15 found his shirt, I found my jacket.
16 Q. He sent us two black shirts. I
17 am going to show you a photograph here. It
18 shows you wearing your red coat and then
19 John wearing a black shirt. He sent us two,
20 two different black shirts. This one, does
21 this have a collar, this shirt?
22 A. I can't tell.
23 Q. While Mr. Kane tries to get a
24 little closer, I have some more questions.
25 John sent us two black shirts. One had a
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1 collar and one did not. Was there any
2 discussion that he had with you in which he
3 tried to obtain your assistance in refreshing
4 his memory as to which of those two shirts
5 he wore Christmas of 1996?
6 A. I don't remember.
7 Q. If it took place, you just don't
8 recall it?
9 A. I don't remember, no.
10 Q. I think this is a little better
11 shot.
12 MR. WOOD: I don't believe
13 there's contrast.
14 THE WITNESS: I can't tell, you
15 know, which one that was. He has got
16 several.
17 MR. WOOD: You are talking about
18 the question of the collar, though, on that
19 one. I don't think you can tell, even from
20 the zoom I can't tell.
21 THE WITNESS: You can't tell if
22 there's a collar.
23 Q. (By Mr. Levin) And the sheriff,
24 this is just, the two he sent us, the one
25 that this appears to be, it is a wool shirt
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1 that is made in Israel, which is kind of
2 unusual. It wasn't a gift that maybe you
3 bought for him, something like that, that
4 would make it stand out?
5 MR. WOOD: Let me stop. You are
6 saying this one appears to be. You are
7 talking about the picture that Mr. Kane has
8 just shown us?
9 MR. LEVIN: Yes. And then we
8 MR. LEVIN: I understand your
9 position.
10 In addition to those questions,
11 there are some others that I would like you
12 to think about whether or not we can have
13 Mrs. Ramsey perhaps in the future answer. I
14 understand you are advising her not to today,
15 and those are there are black fibers that,
16 according to our testing that was conducted,
17 that match one of the two shirts that was
18 provided to us by the Ramseys, black shirt.
19 Those are located in the
20 underpants of JonBenet Ramsey, were found in
21 her crotch area, and I believe those are two
22 other areas that we have intended to ask
23 Mrs. Ramsey about if she could help us in
24 explaining their presence in those locations.
JR: Uh, I think I had like a black knit sweater shirt kind of thing, uh, and probably wore some khaki colored pants, but I don’t remember specifically, I guess I wore some kind of pants.KoldKase,
Here you go:
1997 BPD John Interview
[1998 BPD John Interview
1998 BPD Patsy Interview
2000 Atlanta Patsy Interview
Further conversation regarding clothing and their location, culminating in this:
2000 Atlanta Patsy Interview
.
JR: Uh, I think I had like a black knit sweater shirt kind of thing, uh, and probably wore some khaki colored pants, but I don’t remember specifically, I guess I wore some kind of pants.
Tricia was on fire on this show. I was looking for something else on Levi's radio site and stumbled across this show.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/09/29/haleigh-cummings-caylee-anthony-cases
Our Tricia was all over the DA and the Ramseys. Great facts. If I ever have a problem, I want Tricia on my side. She makes so many good points, it's difficult to understand why LE and the DA let the case go unsolved for so long. With so much evidence, how could they!!!
I didn't realize Tricia began Forums For Justice specifically for the JBR case. Good for her. At least she's fighting for the little girl who endured so much.
I suggest people go back and listen. It's only 35 minutes long.
LOL I love this 'Mary Lacy, who has to be one of the worst DA's in the history of the world. she is a STUPID WOMAN, she may be book smart but she is a STUPID WOMAN' hahahahahahahaha gold!
Now this was very interesting to listen to, especially the part about the DNA being on a store bought pair of undies, the DNA is really one of the only things that puts doubt in people's minds IMO! This needs to be more widely publicised and more throughly investigated, ASAP!
That pretty much sums it up, Stef88.
The simple fact is, this woman had NO real-world experience with prosecution, thus, no real understanding of any kind of forensic science. There are people out there--and if they are reading this, they KNOW who they are--who would have us believe that Lacy had a real stranglehold on the evidence in this case. That's placing a lot of trust in a woman who:
--tried to railroad three U of C, Boulder football players into prison on a rape they didn't commit, and, in fact, did not HAPPEN;
--never took a murder case to trial during her entire tenure as DA OR during her time as an assistant DA;
--gave us JOHN MARK KARR, when any first-year law student would have known better;
--refused to take any action in the Midyette case until Bill O'Reilly's producer hounded her on her front porch;
--got in Tom Haney's face for being too tough on Patsy during the 1998 interview, when he knew a lot more about investigating murder than she did;
That's all I can think of right now. If anyone can point out anything I've missed, please do not hesitate! This woman clearly had serious issues with judgment, placing her politics first, and general hubris. She is NOT trustworthy.
Wendy Murphy has tried to publicize it, Stef88. Bless her for her efforts on this case.