2010.12.22 Prosecutors Call for Sanctions Against the Defense

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lauriej said:
..the "above referenced Experts" ashton refers to as needing much more info on are:


Dr. Lee, Dr. W. Spitz, Dr. Kathy Reichs, Dr. William Rodriguez and Richard Eikelenboom


..anyone know when their Depositions were scheduled for? or had they been scheduled yet?
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Our great friend ThinkTank put this wonderful list of Defense deposing the State experts, here it is:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5926211&postcount=501"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - State's Witness List Released 2008.11.18 Updated 2008.12 & 2009.01.26[/ame]

ETA: Here are some of the State's scheduled depositions:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5908913&postcount=546"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Defense Witness List[/ame]
 
spqr said:
BBM and respectfully snipped.

I personally think the problem is the defenses experts have nothing to refute the States evidence. EVERY expert, person in position of authority/public interest with the job of investigating or examining (that I have interacted with)has always produced a report IN WRITING. Otherwise, if it wasn't written down...it wasn't done.

Some experts don't take written reports at time of exam, but they orate into a recorder, which is later transcibed to written form.

The defense received the report either physically or verbally and just didn't like what the report contained. He most likely stated...don't send me your report, just tell me what it says. That way he could feign ignorance. "I didn't know he/she produced a report, I have never received one".

Just receiving a oral report, may be the "work product" avenue he is seeking.

JMO
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I think your post is SPOT on. You explained what I've been thinking way better than I could have.
 
..at the conclusion of the court hearing on monday:

..december 20---court hearing.

http://www.wftv.com/video/26196888/index.html

judgeP :" Okay,any other matters we have to take up before the 1st of the year?"


ashton: "there's nothing before the 1st of the year. i do believe that we may need some hearing time before the status conf.(jan.14) to address some discovery issues as to the depos of experts that are trying to be held in january."

"we have no issues for the ones we have set for this month, but there may be some issues for the ones for next month so..i can just contact your JA...unless you have a time that you'd like to give us now?"

judgeP: "well, i do know the 1st week i can probably work you in, but 5 o'clock is always available".

ashton: "as you know, i'm fine using 5 o'clock."

...that doesn't sound like he had any plans on this "motions for sanctions" on his mind on Dec.20th----and then did on Dec.22nd...
 
If HHJBP doesn't put a stop to the defense games now,JB and CM will take it as a license to do as they please from here on out. The trial will be a huge mess.
LDB is on record telling HHJBP that CM considered the imposed court deadlines a joke.
I am hoping HH is ready to call their bluff,in a way that does not compromise a fair trial.
 
Snaz said:
Respectfully BBM

Not only that, Faefrost, but JB also said child abuse was an intentional act. Child abuse can come from many actions, not always intentional, but child abuse nonetheless.

Geeze, what an idiot! How DID he ever pass the bar???????

I am so hoping, along with most of all you, that Judge Perry will finally tire of JB's games and penalize him. I hope you are wrong, Faefrost, that the judge will speak harshly yet take no action.
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RBM

I have $100 on "He got someone else to take the bar exam for him."
 
lauriej said:
..at the conclusion of the court hearing on monday:

..december 20---court hearing.

http://www.wftv.com/video/26196888/index.html

judgeP :" Okay,any other matters we have to take up before the 1st of the year?"


ashton: "there's nothing before the 1st of the year. i do believe that we may need some hearing time before the status conf.(jan.14) to address some discovery issues as to the depos of experts that are trying to be held in january."

"we have no issues for the ones we have set for this month, but there may be some issues for the ones for next month so..i can just contact your JA...unless you have a time that you'd like to give us now?"

judgeP: "well, i do know the 1st week i can probably work you in, but 5 o'clock is always available".

ashton: "as you know, i'm fine using 5 o'clock."

...that doesn't sound like he had any plans on this "motions for sanctions" on his mind on Dec.20th----and then did on Dec.22nd...
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On December 21, 2010 the State deposed Dr Jane Bock. We here have speculated that may have been what prompted the Motion for Sanctions. Here is the depo notice, thanks to ThinkTank and MuzikMan:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5876546&postcount=142"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - List of Motions **NO DISCUSSION HERE PLEASE**[/ame]
 
"Jose Baez, one of Casey Anthony's defense lawyers and the attorney who has addressed the court on this issue, had no immediate comment on Ashton's motion.

Instead, Baez said the defense will file its response formally in court".


...baez, camera shy.

..i'm sure the Defense Response will be the usual interesting read..
 
nums24 said:
On December 21, 2010 the State deposed Dr Jane Bock. We here have speculated that may have been what prompted the Motion for Sanctions. Here is the depo notice, thanks to ThinkTank and MuzikMan:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - List of Motions **NO DISCUSSION HERE PLEASE**
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...yes, thanks "nums" i was reading through the thread----i totally agree with Beach's thought process-----something blindsided Ashton during that depo, prompting him to fire off the Motion for Sanctions.
 
nums24 said:
On December 21, 2010 the State deposed Dr Jane Bock. We here have speculated that may have been what prompted the Motion for Sanctions. Here is the depo notice, thanks to ThinkTank and MuzikMan:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - List of Motions **NO DISCUSSION HERE PLEASE**
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Jane Bock, and or what other experts were deposed in the last few days referenced her (or his) reports and notes during the depo, one of the non existing reports Baez claimed had not been prepared that of course were, is my guess. Professionals do not show up at depos without their work to refer to, and go off memory while answering questions, under oath for a murder trial. NO, they bring their.....reports and notes.
For goodness sake, a traffic cop comes to traffic court with his police report, not his memory and clearly no one's life is at stake. This is just outrageous!! Come in Tokyo

http://www.wftv.com/video/26093706/index.html

Oh the heavy, audible sighs that came from the bench with this childish oral argument of Jose Baez: “I, quite frankly, don’t know why we’re here. I had upon submitting my… the subject matter of what each witness was going to testify to. I saw the response from Mr. Ashton that he was not content with.. with… uhhh… my answers. So, I then filled in a little bit more of the blanks. I gave him more descriptive version of what they may testify to on the specific issues that they were involved in. Mr. Ashton is intimately involved with every forensic aspect of this case and knows exactly what these witnesses will testify to. OK. At the end of my, and you can see the final e-mail between the two of us, I said the goal here is to work together, please check below and if you have any questions, let me know. Well, Mr. Ashton didn’t let me know. Instead he decided to take up our time here this afternoon and file this motion. A phone call would have done it, a response e-mail or something to that effect. If he wants to know more about these witnesses, we’re not here to hide anything. In fact, I think the court threw him a major bone by… by actually giving them the subject matter… requiring us to give them the subject matter of what they are going to testifying to. Which is far more than they ever gave us with our 350 plus witnesses that we’ve had to take well over 120 depositions of just to find out what some people were going to testify to. We’ve come across all kinds of surprises and and and been dumbfounded with numerous witness including expert witnesses as to what they’re going to testify to. I… I… I think this is a huge waste of time. Could have been resolved by a simple phone call from Mr. Ashton or or an e-mail of of sorts. You know, we’re here at… short of a script of what they’re going to testify to, I’d be more than happy to tell Mr. Ashton whatever he needs to know. But, I… I don’t understand why were here based on this. I think it’s nothing but nonsense. All of these resources are being exhausted because Mr. Ashton can’t pick up the phone and call.”

I swear to God, you just can't make this stuff up!!
 
Paintr said:
Respectfully snipped....

I sadly agree. Since this is a DP case and since 'death is different', I do not see HHJP doing much about this. Mr Baez will be getting away with a lot and smirking a lot, not because he is such a clever lawyer, but because of the nature of the case. :(
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It always seems to go this way but, at the same time, the "death is different" nature of this case should demand that the state's rights be equally guarded. The prosecution's hands shouldn't be tied when it comes to discovery. They have an important job in protecting the public from someone who may very well deserve the death penalty. Both sides should follow the rules of discovery, especially in a death penalty case. I hope JBP feels the same way and imposes sanctions on JB.
 
The World According said:
Jane Bock, and or what other experts were deposed in the last few days referenced her (or his) report during the depo, one of the non existing reports Baez claimed had not been prepared that of course were, is my guess. Professionals do not show up at depos without their work to refer to, and go off memory while answering questions, under oath for a murder trial. NO, they bring their.....reports and notes.

Come in Tokyo
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JB admitted in open court during the 5:00pm hearing that Dr. Bock had an affidavit for a motion they might file. Once they were again ordered to provide info this is what was provided before the deposition, either the defense held something back or her opinion changed since September:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/66828046/12152010-Dr-Jane-Bock-Report-and-CV
 
lauriej said:
"Jose Baez, one of Casey Anthony's defense lawyers and the attorney who has addressed the court on this issue, had no immediate comment on Ashton's motion.

Instead, Baez said the defense will file its response formally in court".


...baez, camera shy.

..i'm sure the Defense Response will be the usual interesting read..
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Is that the usual interesting read (or) the usual interesting read?

This should be good! :trout: :giggle:
 
lauriej said:
"Jose Baez, one of Casey Anthony's defense lawyers and the attorney who has addressed the court on this issue, had no immediate comment on Ashton's motion.

Instead, Baez said the defense will file its response formally in court".


...baez, camera shy.

..i'm sure the Defense Response will be the usual interesting read..
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Baez response: Just filed

legalpaper.jpg
 
The World According said:
Jane Bock, and or what other experts were deposed in the last few days referenced her (or his) report during the depo, one of the non existing reports Baez claimed had not been prepared that of course were, is my guess. Professionals do not show up at depos without their work to refer to, and go off memory while answering questions, under oath for a murder trial. NO, they bring their.....reports and notes.

Come in Tokyo
http://www.wftv.com/video/26093706/index.html

Jose Baez: “I, quite frankly, don’t know why we’re here. I had upon submitting my… the subject matter of what each witness was going to testify to. I saw the response from Mr. Ashton that he was not content with.. with… uhhh… my answers. So, I then filled in a little bit more of the blanks. I gave him more descriptive version of what they may testify to on the specific issues that they were involved in. Mr. Ashton is intimately involved with every forensic aspect of this case and knows exactly what these witnesses will testify to. OK. At the end of my, and you can see the final e-mail between the two of us, I said the goal here is to work together, please check below and if you have any questions, let me know. Well, Mr. Ashton didn’t let me know. Instead he decided to take up our time here this afternoon and file this motion. A phone call would have done it, a response e-mail or something to that effect. If he wants to know more about these witnesses, we’re not here to hide anything. In fact, I think the court threw him a major bone by… by actually giving them the subject matter… requiring us to give them the subject matter of what they are going to testifying to. Which is far more than they ever gave us with our 350 plus witnesses that we’ve had to take well over 120 depositions of just to find out what some people were going to testify to. We’ve come across all kinds of surprises and and and been dumbfounded with numerous witness including expert witnesses as to what they’re going to testify to. I… I… I think this is a huge waste of time. Could have been resolved by a simple phone call from Mr. Ashton or or an e-mail of of sorts. You know, we’re here at… short of a script of what they’re going to testify to, I’d be more than happy to tell Mr. Ashton whatever he needs to know. But, I… I don’t understand why were here based on this. I think it’s nothing but nonsense. All of these resources are being exhausted because Mr. Ashton can’t pick up the phone and call.”
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hahahahaha! My favorite part!:crazy:
 
The World According said:
Jane Bock, and or what other experts were deposed in the last few days referenced her (or his) report during the depo, one of the non existing reports Baez claimed had not been prepared that of course were, is my guess. Professionals do not show up at depos without their work to refer to, and go off memory while answering questions, under oath for a murder trial. NO, they bring their.....reports and notes.

Come in Tokyo

http://www.wftv.com/video/26093706/index.html

Jose Baez: “I, quite frankly, don’t know why we’re here. I had upon submitting my… the subject matter of what each witness was going to testify to. I saw the response from Mr. Ashton that he was not content with.. with… uhhh… my answers. So, I then filled in a little bit more of the blanks. I gave him more descriptive version of what they may testify to on the specific issues that they were involved in. Mr. Ashton is intimately involved with every forensic aspect of this case and knows exactly what these witnesses will testify to. OK. At the end of my, and you can see the final e-mail between the two of us, I said the goal here is to work together, please check below and if you have any questions, let me know. Well, Mr. Ashton didn’t let me know. Instead he decided to take up our time here this afternoon and file this motion. A phone call would have done it, a response e-mail or something to that effect. If he wants to know more about these witnesses, we’re not here to hide anything. In fact, I think the court threw him a major bone by… by actually giving them the subject matter… requiring us to give them the subject matter of what they are going to testifying to. Which is far more than they ever gave us with our 350 plus witnesses that we’ve had to take well over 120 depositions of just to find out what some people were going to testify to. We’ve come across all kinds of surprises and and and been dumbfounded with numerous witness including expert witnesses as to what they’re going to testify to. I… I… I think this is a huge waste of time. Could have been resolved by a simple phone call from Mr. Ashton or or an e-mail of of sorts. You know, we’re here at… short of a script of what they’re going to testify to, I’d be more than happy to tell Mr. Ashton whatever he needs to know. But, I… I don’t understand why were here based on this. I think it’s nothing but nonsense. All of these resources are being exhausted because Mr. Ashton can’t pick up the phone and call.”
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Red & BBM - Seriously JB? No one is that obtuse! (Is that a wahmbulance I hear in the background?) :confused:
 
nums24 said:
JB admitted in open court during the 5:00pm hearing that Dr. Bock had an affidavit for a motion they might file. Once they were again ordered to provide info this is what was provided before the deposition, either the defense held something back or her opinion changed since September:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/66828046/12152010-Dr-Jane-Bock-Report-and-CV
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..baez is unbelievable.

..dec.10--"how many experts reports do you have?" "uhhhh,None."

( new Order---get reports, and supply them to the State! )

..dec.15--"ok fine, here's Dr.Bock's report".-----dated September 28/2010.

..he must have a colour-coded chart on his fridge to keep track of all of his non stop lies..
 
Baez is playing tit for tat with the SA's...this is their payback for when they listed the reasons why the DP should stay...JMHO


You guys are cracking me up...I needed that laugh..:dance:


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