2011.02.18 Depo: Tony Lazzarro - depo linked on pg. 5

[RR0004]

Excellent points, Faefrost! She used some story to keep the distance between her friends, boyfriends, and parents. She never intended for them to meet and exchange thoughts. That would have given her away.

Wonder then who was the abuser? If I had to bet who abused who, my money is on Casey being the abuser.

 

[RR0004]

Yes, good insight. It makes a lot of sense to alienate people in your life from one another if you are a pathological liar. By setting them against each other, you avoid having them compare notes.

...and a sociopath.

 

[mysteriew]

Because she WAS a good little girl. She was a sweetie. And because she really wanted Mommy's love but knew in her heart that it wasn't there.




It's not.



I really, really doubt Caylee was ever locked in the trunk until the day she was killed. I doubt she was ever abused in any conventional manner until casey murdered her. People find it hard to fathom that a person who generally took good care of her child could kill that child. People assume that because she was capable of murdering her baby, she must have otherwise abused her.

But I think it is very possible for someone not to love their child yet still basically take care of them and not abuse them or neglect them in a conventional sense. I think it is possible for someone to plan to kill their kid but have been a decent parent up to that point, or at least a passable one. Like Susan Smith. Like Darlie Routier. Like Chris Coleman. Like countless others.

I don't think Caylee was locked in the trunk because I have filled in most of the blanks as to where casey and Caylee were during 2008. It seems that casey at first left her child with her parents at night a lot, and then with the Grunds and I think it was Kristina, during the day. Then, Kristina said, "You're not working, no more." And then the Grunds also stopped the free childcare. After that, she seemed to be carting her child around with her a lot more often during the day, albeit grudgingly, as can be seen in the photos at the Lake Vaj house (I think it was).

At night, she continued to utilize her parents until they got wise to her tricks. At that point, CA started demanding proof of employment before she would sit for Caylee at night. And often, it seems, she gave CA the proof that was required, or at least sufficient proof for CA.

Of course, CA began to really uncover the truth about casey's employment status and really started making it difficult for casey to be free. Then, casey found Ricardo. He allowed the baby to spend the night, in his bed. So, casey continued to be free to some degree for awhile and Caylee stayed safe for the moment.

It started screeching to a halt when she hooked onto Tony. He didn't want a baby in his bed. And this was at the same time CA was clamping down harder. The timeline during that time period does not show a night when Caylee was unaccounted for by a third party. But, once casey found it harder and harder to go out and have a place for Caylee to be, she killed her. I think if Tony had been cool with having the baby in his bed, Caylee may still be alive. I think if CA had allowed her daughter to go out whenever she wanted, not work and dump Caylee on the grandparents all the time, Caylee would still be alive. And GA and CA know that, which is why during one of the jail visits, CA announced that when "all of this" was over, casey would not have to work and could be more free. It was like a plea, a prayer: "Just make this nightmare end. Give me back Caylee. I'll give you whatever you want." Sadly, she knew deep down it was too late. I am not saying they are to blame, btw. I'm just saying that casey's final motivation and the reason why the murder happened at the time it did was the squeeze she began to feel and what she perceived to be was her lack of freedom, due to her child. But until then, Caylee was accounted for and not locked away in some trunk.

I think casey resented Caylee but did not hate her. I think her hatred was reserved for her parents, mostly her mom, who began finally to try to hold her daughter accountable. A little too little, a little too late. casey also hated that her mom treated (in her mind) Caylee better. I think she hated her mom for being a better parent to Caylee and for trying to usurp casey's role in that regard. And she hated CA because CA is a crazy, personality- disordered person who made casey's life miserable and likely would have even if casey had not been an irresponsible, criminally minded sociopath.

IMO, casey made the cold and calculated decision to murder a child who got in her way, a child she did not truly hate and probably was even fond of at times. See, sociopaths can do that. They can make clinical decisions about the fates of their "loved ones" without having a history of being violent abusers or criminally negligent parents. They can decide to get rid of people they don't hate who they even enjoy from time to time. That's because the sociopath comes first to the sociopath and anyone who gets in their way is at risk to some degree. Their love is reserved for themselves as are their bonds.

No, I don't think Caylee was ever abused in a conventional sense by casey, until the day her life was snuffed out by a monster. However, there was something going on deep down that I would call abusive. casey didn't really love her child the way we love our kids. She didn't really have that strong bond or familial connection. I think that when Caylee was born, casey saw her at times as an extension of herself, without an independent soul or personality. When she looked at Caylee, it was like looking into a mirror, in a sense. So, she was okay with her. As Caylee grew, she became more of a ball and chain and more like an unwanted sister who was taking casey's place as the family princess and forcing responsibility on casey that began to negate the novelty of having a cute baby to tote around and having people gush at what a great mom she was. And so, Caylee was murdered.

Yet, prior to that murder, despite an absence of any conventional battering or neglect on casey's part of Caylee, at no time was there what I would call a normal bond or level of affection. Hence, the eerie videotapes of Caylee, being taped for long stretches by an unresponsive parent who was simply looking into a mirror as she taped and not seeing the real, live, breathing human soul that was staring back with confusion at the lack of connection and stretching her little arms out, vocalizing as best as she could to get some response from the person she was left alone with, who was behind the camera. But the response did not come, the eerie silence continued and the little face crumpled in confused anguish. That to me is abuse and that's the only kind of abuse I really feel occurred here. And, it's really enough.

I agree with you completely. Besides that, Caylee was probably useful at times. CA and GA would have been easier to get money from, for things that Caylee needed. Also they would have been happy to see KC smiling and playing with the baby, so they may have been in a better mood at times. Plus if you are in the mood, playing with a baby is fun. As long as they don't make demands on you. Plus, like CA image was important to KC. She was a 'good' mother. Some boyfriends might be impressed. Plus some of the boyfriends fell in love with Caylee. So that helped to get and keep boyfriends attention.

Until she met Tone, a boyfriend at a different time in his life. Not wanting a ready made family. Then things were different.

 

[mysteriew]

Ah yes. The voice of reason, you are! We have no idea what the heck TL said in its entirety, yet.

Saying their relationship was fine and she was a good mom can easily be statements that were true to his thoughts on 06/14/08. Doesn't mean he has a whole lot of nice to say about KC now. And strikingly, the Sentinel did not print but one or two "negative" comments from TL. I am certain there were more than one or two things he said about their client that were not good for her case, they were just not reported. Is this Pipi's outlet?

We have to keep in mind his stage of life too. College kid. His attention is on him, his studies, his parties, his friends and his girlfriend. Probably/maybe roughly in that order.

He probably didn't mind sometimes if KC brought Caylee over. But well, hopefully she didn't stay long. He had to study, or he wanted to do something.

So his attention was only superfically on KC as a mother. He probably smiled at the pretty little girl, played with her till he got bored then wondered when she was going to leave.

In that type of situation, KC would probably look like a good mother.

 

[Just Jayla]

We have to keep in mind his stage of life too. College kid. His attention is on him, his studies, his parties, his friends and his girlfriend. Probably/maybe roughly in that order.

He probably didn't mind sometimes if KC brought Caylee over. But well, hopefully she didn't stay long. He had to study, or he wanted to do something.

So his attention was only superfically on KC as a mother. He probably smiled at the pretty little girl, played with her till he got bored then wondered when she was going to leave.

In that type of situation, KC would probably look like a good mother.

Perfecto Post. No degredation intended, but there will tend to be a lot of superficiality with all of KC's friends. Again, citing AH's statement about Casey being a good mom evident by Caylee being a good kid, it demonstrates a lack of critical thinking about the A family structure, what humans are capable of, how sociopathic behavior works, what it means to be a good mom-C'mon, Amy, a good mom doesn't fail to provide for her child monetarily, does not leave her with a "nanny" for weeks on end; But I don't think Amy intended to be obtuse.

There are some friends that dug deeper:

RyanP-Please listen to his interview again if you haven't lately. He can define where there are major issues.

IassonD-Again, has the maturity, from the toughest coming of age experience on Earth: war-to understand that some people kill and he thought that was what KC did from the get-go.

JP Chatt-Why bother giving a depo-Hated her from day 1, saw through her like a window, didn't even want her in his house.

MichelleM-Asked KC if Caylee was around when KC was feeling crazy, wanted to make sure Caylee was okay being alone with looneytunes.

MariaK-When a chick leaves her daughter alone in a room with balcony access so she can go get sideways or get high with her BF, she might not be such a careful mommy. Clearly, Maria had not been fed enough of KC's lies to get with the program-she was kind of OBJECTIVE.

 

[katydid23]

We have to keep in mind his stage of life too. College kid. His attention is on him, his studies, his parties, his friends and his girlfriend. Probably/maybe roughly in that order.

He probably didn't mind sometimes if KC brought Caylee over. But well, hopefully she didn't stay long. He had to study, or he wanted to do something.

So his attention was only superfically on KC as a mother. He probably smiled at the pretty little girl, played with her till he got bored then wondered when she was going to leave.

In that type of situation, KC would probably look like a good mother.

Even TL noticed that Caylee was never with her Mom anymore. He said he teased Casey about her kid always being at the nanny's. So even he noticed she wasn't such a great mom.

 

[Leila]

Exactly! I've known kids who came from an extremely abusive family, and they were very aware of every move they made and every word that they spoke. They towed the line, so to speak. They NEVER had fights with screaming matches with their abusers, or stole from them, or told them "here's your effing gas cans". If this is how the DT plays it, they will lose. We also have to remember that these stories of abuse came from KC, and we all know how reliable her stories are. jmo :innocent:

A lot of thoughts come to mind right now. First and foremost is the fact that Casey's claim of abuse comes from herself and no one else. There's no witnesses that can collaborate her claim. Will Lee testify that he witnessed his father abusing Casey? Is there anyone outside the family that will testify that they saw bruises on Casey and when asked she said her father hit her? Are there any teachers that will testify that they frequently saw bruises or other marks on Casey?

Another thought that comes to mind is Casey's persona. I remember Jesse stating in the summer of 2008 that the Casey he knew was not the Casey he saw now. She was a changed person. Now we have Amy saying that the Casey she saw in the car on the way home from Tony's on July 15, 2008 was a different person than the one she knew.

I've seen a diagnosed psychopath in action (a former son-in-law). They know how to act in front of other people. They mimic what they see - how other people around them act or what they've seen on television. I remember seeing this particular psychopath at a large gathering of people. He was being introduced to people and his reaction was overly enthusiastic, His mannerisms were exaggerated and I recognized how phony he was, mimicking how he thought he should act and doing a poor job of it. At the time I thought to myself "he'd make a good used-car salesman." To anyone who never saw the real person without the phony "act", they might say, "what a nice young man." But the real person was night and day different.

Both Tony and Amy are young and haven't had enough life experiences to make good character judgments. Just because Casey cooked him some good meals, and appeared to be a good mother to Caylee in his presence, doesn't mean she was someone of good character. It means he saw only what she wanted him to see. They certainly weren't together long enough for Tony to really get to know her. Amy does seem to have a little bit better handle on Casey, but her opinion is mostly in retrospect.

 

[Bree0372]

ITA! And, the DT better be verrrrry careful if they play this card at trial because the may have a juror in the box who has experienced true abuse and come through it to be a strong adult and that person may be very offended by the DT antics.

Thank you! I take offense to them using 'abuse' as a means to minimize what Casey did to Caylee. I am a victim of physical abuse and it made me a stronger person and now a better mom. If anything, it makes me more protective of my little one (2 years old).

I think this can certainly blow up in the DTs face. Wouldn't someone who has been abused tend to protect their children, not murder them? But then again, most abusers were abused. So, I suppose, it could go both ways.

 

[Tulessa]

The last video tape of Caylee , probably taken the day before she was killed, does not (IMO and as a former preschool teacher), show a fluently verbal child. Caylee was still coming out of the babbling stage to some degree, "Mama, papa, mama." Yes, she could sing "You Are My sunshine", but probably not with understanding really as to what the words mean, just that it made people happy to hear. I really doubt little Caylee could have said, "Hey grandma, mommy was smoking some weird stuff and I was never at any babysitters'." I bet it was more like, "Oh, did you have fun with Zanny, Caylee? "Mmm, cookie grandma? I wan' cookie!" "Okay, I'll get you a snack. Did you play with Zanny's dogs today?" "Doggies! Doggies! Yah. Zanny doggies! Come on doggies! Give me kisses doogie!" Poor thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMzedR5LV5Q&feature=related

Totally agree.....

 

[savannahanna]

ITA in part. I just wonder because ICA was telling a lot of "friends" that she was going to get the family home (lol)...that she wasn't thinking about ridding herself of GA, and possibly CA. JMO.

I talked about this with another poster and she thinks it is because ICA didn't want the A's close to the Grundes so that the two families couldn't compare notes on ICA. Look it, at some point even the RG got fed up with ICA leaving Caylee all of the time with them. He didn't really believe she had a job either...and when he calls her out on the whole "we can't watch Caylee 24/7" she responds with "Don't worry. I have a nanny." and very soon thereafter ICA removes herself from JG and the family and moves back home. As soon as her bluff is called she just reinvents another lie...likely to her family about how awful the G's were (IMO) and moves back home...and then says hateful things about the G's to her family to keep them from comparing notes. It is very insightful, imo, about how ICA really operates. She gets found out and then she lies...and sadly, people just believe her initially.

LittyBitty
You nailed it, I believe! She could manipulate CA using her love for Caylee but I don't think she thought GA was important to her future dreams (just "us girls" mentality) but GA always presented an obstacle in her mind. I also think Casey compartmentized her life. Reading the interview transcripts and listening to the police interviews KC seems to move from one circle of friends to another. It sounds so right that she wanted to keep everyone from comparing notes; RG would definitely and has questioned GA over KC's actions. RG was definitely watching out for his son JG-thank goodness! She raised red flags with RG early when JG started going with her. JMO

Savannahanna
Too tired to think as post shows so off to bed.:bedtime:

 

[AbbieNormal]

I do believe this was the second depo for TL. I could be wrong though.

I think it was too, in his first statement to LE he remembers that Casey's night sweat and nightmare, blah blah blah, was supposedly over "their relationship".
Tony was possibly going back to NY, and she claimed it caused her to wake up in the middle of the night.

Now he thinks it was nightmares over "some family matter".

D'OH!!! Hopefully they will let him read back to the time he gave the statement to LE.

 

[zoey]

It was in the article that . . .

Amy recalled Cindy Anthony describing the odor in Casey's car as "the most horrible smell that she had ever smelled and that they were terrified that it was either Casey or Caylee in the car – in the trunk – until they got it open."

and Tony said . . .

Caylee never appeared to be neglected or abused, but when asked about Casey, Lazzaro said she had told him about being abused herself.

"I just don't recall it being sexual in nature," Lazzaro said. "It could have been. [B]Honestly, it would have been much better to do this at that time.[/B] I just know she said that they didn't live together and she made it sound like her dad was like this really bad guy."

I cannot believe it took the DT >2.5 yrs to depo these important witnesses!

ITA....perhaps CA needs to lend some of these defense witnesses her magic anti depressant pills that help you recall things better in time.....:maddening:

 

[zoey]

A lot of thoughts come to mind right now. First and foremost is the fact that Casey's claim of abuse comes from herself and no one else. There's no witnesses that can collaborate her claim. Will Lee testify that he witnessed his father abusing Casey? Is there anyone outside the family that will testify that they saw bruises on Casey and when asked she said her father hit her? Are there any teachers that will testify that they frequently saw bruises or other marks on Casey?

Another thought that comes to mind is Casey's persona. I remember Jesse stating in the summer of 2008 that the Casey he knew was not the Casey he saw now. She was a changed person. Now we have Amy saying that the Casey she saw in the car on the way home from Tony's on July 15, 2008 was a different person than the one she knew.

I've seen a diagnosed psychopath in action (a former son-in-law). They know how to act in front of other people. They mimic what they see - how other people around them act or what they've seen on television. I remember seeing this particular psychopath at a large gathering of people. He was being introduced to people and his reaction was overly enthusiastic, His mannerisms were exaggerated and I recognized how phony he was, mimicking how he thought he should act and doing a poor job of it. At the time I thought to myself "he'd make a good used-car salesman." To anyone who never saw the real person without the phony "act", they might say, "what a nice young man." But the real person was night and day different.

Both Tony and Amy are young and haven't had enough life experiences to make good character judgments. Just because Casey cooked him some good meals, and appeared to be a good mother to Caylee in his presence, doesn't mean she was someone of good character. It means he saw only what she wanted him to see. They certainly weren't together long enough for Tony to really get to know her. Amy does seem to have a little bit better handle on Casey, but her opinion is mostly in retrospect.

ITA...I think she morphs into whatever she needs to be...you can see bits and pieces of it occassionaly at that DT table with her lawyers---remember how she fondly looked on when that new atty was getting sworn in by HHJP??? Her looking fondly at the jail personal---much more warmth for them than her family...I truly think the real ICA is that last jail house tape when she becomes unglued--much like the first call home....

I believe Tony (jail bonds guy--) when he says they walked around eggshells with her...I think GA was the only one not to fall down and believe what she was saying...in his first depos he agreed alot with what LE was saying and did quesiton things....then sadly he got the koolaid....but there was a few times you could see the veneer of ICA fading in him....and lets be real he was major competion for CA money....and that was ICAs....

(little bit o/t but would still apply---if anyone has watched that MTV show Teen mom---they all think they are wonderful mom's just by feeding their child---their friends think they are wonderful moms based upon what they see when they are there---not the reality of day to day motherhood...They all think they are intitled to party because they are young--they don't quite grasp that being a mom in 24/7---I was watching one show and the mom was talking to the dad -- trying to get him to oppose the temp gaudianship her mom wanted ---- saying that she was feeding the baby and that meant that she was a wonderful mom---of course this is the mom that has made the headlines with the pot and whatever else.....I think ICA showed what she showed and her friends just didin't quesiton it....:maddening:

 

[zoey]

I haven't seen his name on the visitor logs...I do believe she literally scared the guy off with her flirting when she was seeing him in court while being charged with murder of her child. Good on him, for drawing a line and not crossing it. Wasn't it shortly after all that mess came out that he quit working for JB? I think he got sick of the whole lot of them. He's certainly better off, IMHO. :twocents:

I believe he moved on as well...

 

[ZsaZsa]

She told JG and TL Lee molested her. She did say GA abused her but was never specific about what kind of abuse they both said. The allegations about sexual abuse by GA surfaced in her letters to RA. In that instance she said she thought he may have too when discussing the allegations of sexual abuse from Lee. Memories that came to her but she wasn't sure, something to that affect.

Her memory is very similar to that of her Mother- it comes and goes depending on which version she can use for her defense.

 

[ZsaZsa]

During his more than one-hour long deposition, Lazzaro described Casey Anthony as a "great girlfriend and a great mom."
-He says that after we all know she murdered Caylee? That is DISGRACEFUL and he should not have said that.

"She used to make me dinner when we'd be living off of nothing," he said. "We hardly ever fought. The times that I was dating her – everything was really a good relationship."

-He sounds like an old married man. Good God they dated for 2 months, not years and years...and I believe she was cheating on him at that time as well. She really picked some unbelievable people to associate with. Sheesh.

He didn't know quite how resourceful ICA was when she had 'nothing' and that in fact he was eating and drinking beer courtesy of Amy's money...

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I haven't read this thread yet...will do so ASAP...but let me just say..I am 53 years old. I was brought up in a time when corporal punishment was used to discipline children. My mom was the best at it! I used to get "switched" or spanked when I was bad. I wasn't abused, it was just a form of discipline. I, however, made the decision when I had children not to "whip" them. I would spank them in extreme situations, but I could probably count on one hand the times I did so. I, being an "abused" child, did not murder my two children.

 

[Melanie]

Thank you! I take offense to them using 'abuse' as a means to minimize what Casey did to Caylee. I am a victim of physical abuse and it made me a stronger person and now a better mom. If anything, it makes me more protective of my little one (2 years old).

I think this can certainly blow up in the DTs face. Wouldn't someone who has been abused tend to protect their children, not murder them? But then again, most abusers were abused. So, I suppose, it could go both ways.

AMEN Bree - most decent parents stop the cycle, and dont continue. I would NEVER want to put my son through some of the stuff I went through. Absentee dad and an overwhelmed mother with 4 kids. Mum even admitted she used to put me in my pram out in the backyard for hours. Who does that? Of course I don't remember, but at least mum was honest about it. Mum also said that it was very common in those days to give mommys little helpers out in handfuls (I was born in the 60's). So basically, it was very little attention, if any, and abuse at the hands of my siblings. My mother never took notice when my brother used to pull me out of my crib and drop me on the floor because he was jealous that I was now the baby of the family.

So much dysfunction, but we didn't die because of it kwim.

So I would say that most abused go on to NOT abuse. I just couldn't imagine!

MOO

Mel

 

[LambChop]

I think it was too, in his first statement to LE he remembers that Casey's night sweat and nightmare, blah blah blah, was supposedly over "their relationship".
Tony was possibly going back to NY, and she claimed it caused her to wake up in the middle of the night.

Now he thinks it was nightmares over "some family matter".

D'OH!!! Hopefully they will let him read back to the time he gave the statement to LE.

I think the term is "calls for speculation" and is not allowed. If he does not know for a fact he can't testify to it. Plus he sounds a little hazy about the abuse, hitting so it's not good testimony because he is unsure. jmo

 

[Baznme]

Because she WAS a good little girl. She was a sweetie. And because she really wanted Mommy's love but knew in her heart that it wasn't there.




It's not.



I really, really doubt Caylee was ever locked in the trunk until the day she was killed. I doubt she was ever abused in any conventional manner until casey murdered her. People find it hard to fathom that a person who generally took good care of her child could kill that child. People assume that because she was capable of murdering her baby, she must have otherwise abused her.

But I think it is very possible for someone not to love their child yet still basically take care of them and not abuse them or neglect them in a conventional sense. I think it is possible for someone to plan to kill their kid but have been a decent parent up to that point, or at least a passable one. Like Susan Smith. Like Darlie Routier. Like Chris Coleman. Like countless others.

I don't think Caylee was locked in the trunk because I have filled in most of the blanks as to where casey and Caylee were during 2008. It seems that casey at first left her child with her parents at night a lot, and then with the Grunds and I think it was Kristina, during the day. Then, Kristina said, "You're not working, no more." And then the Grunds also stopped the free childcare. After that, she seemed to be carting her child around with her a lot more often during the day, albeit grudgingly, as can be seen in the photos at the Lake Vaj house (I think it was).

At night, she continued to utilize her parents until they got wise to her tricks. At that point, CA started demanding proof of employment before she would sit for Caylee at night. And often, it seems, she gave CA the proof that was required, or at least sufficient proof for CA.

Of course, CA began to really uncover the truth about casey's employment status and really started making it difficult for casey to be free. Then, casey found Ricardo. He allowed the baby to spend the night, in his bed. So, casey continued to be free to some degree for awhile and Caylee stayed safe for the moment.

It started screeching to a halt when she hooked onto Tony. He didn't want a baby in his bed. And this was at the same time CA was clamping down harder. The timeline during that time period does not show a night when Caylee was unaccounted for by a third party. But, once casey found it harder and harder to go out and have a place for Caylee to be, she killed her. I think if Tony had been cool with having the baby in his bed, Caylee may still be alive. I think if CA had allowed her daughter to go out whenever she wanted, not work and dump Caylee on the grandparents all the time, Caylee would still be alive. And GA and CA know that, which is why during one of the jail visits, CA announced that when "all of this" was over, casey would not have to work and could be more free. It was like a plea, a prayer: "Just make this nightmare end. Give me back Caylee. I'll give you whatever you want." Sadly, she knew deep down it was too late. I am not saying they are to blame, btw. I'm just saying that casey's final motivation and the reason why the murder happened at the time it did was the squeeze she began to feel and what she perceived to be was her lack of freedom, due to her child. But until then, Caylee was accounted for and not locked away in some trunk.

I think casey resented Caylee but did not hate her. I think her hatred was reserved for her parents, mostly her mom, who began finally to try to hold her daughter accountable. A little too little, a little too late. casey also hated that her mom treated (in her mind) Caylee better. I think she hated her mom for being a better parent to Caylee and for trying to usurp casey's role in that regard. And she hated CA because CA is a crazy, personality- disordered person who made casey's life miserable and likely would have even if casey had not been an irresponsible, criminally minded sociopath.

IMO, casey made the cold and calculated decision to murder a child who got in her way, a child she did not truly hate and probably was even fond of at times. See, sociopaths can do that. They can make clinical decisions about the fates of their "loved ones" without having a history of being violent abusers or criminally negligent parents. They can decide to get rid of people they don't hate who they even enjoy from time to time. That's because the sociopath comes first to the sociopath and anyone who gets in their way is at risk to some degree. Their love is reserved for themselves as are their bonds.

No, I don't think Caylee was ever abused in a conventional sense by casey, until the day her life was snuffed out by a monster. However, there was something going on deep down that I would call abusive. casey didn't really love her child the way we love our kids. She didn't really have that strong bond or familial connection. I think that when Caylee was born, casey saw her at times as an extension of herself, without an independent soul or personality. When she looked at Caylee, it was like looking into a mirror, in a sense. So, she was okay with her. As Caylee grew, she became more of a ball and chain and more like an unwanted sister who was taking casey's place as the family princess and forcing responsibility on casey that began to negate the novelty of having a cute baby to tote around and having people gush at what a great mom she was. And so, Caylee was murdered.

Yet, prior to that murder, despite an absence of any conventional battering or neglect on casey's part of Caylee, at no time was there what I would call a normal bond or level of affection. Hence, the eerie videotapes of Caylee, being taped for long stretches by an unresponsive parent who was simply looking into a mirror as she taped and not seeing the real, live, breathing human soul that was staring back with confusion at the lack of connection and stretching her little arms out, vocalizing as best as she could to get some response from the person she was left alone with, who was behind the camera. But the response did not come, the eerie silence continued and the little face crumpled in confused anguish. That to me is abuse and that's the only kind of abuse I really feel occurred here. And, it's really enough.

Very insightful post on your part. A lot of things I felt but could not put together in such detail like you have. It would make a good "closing" for the prosecution at trial IMO.