2011.05.04 Verdict Watch

[CrimeAddict]

My apologies, when I reread my response I thought it sounded a bit snarky. I meant no disrespect.

My point is this is a classic example of people living way beyond their means, and then racking up more debt for a "get out of jail free" card. The equity line was a dumb move. It didn't take into consideration the market value of the home, the cost of fixing up the home to sell, the cost of moving, the realtor fees, the closing costs, etc.

The reason almost one quarter of US homeowners are in or at risk of foreclosure is due to these types of moves. Classic overspending and living beyond your means, without basic financial common sense.

However, it's clear BOTH BC and NC lived beyond their means. One party is not to blame in their scenario. They are both at fault.

Again, I am sorry my reply sounded snarky. Maybe I've been listening to too much Clark Howard.

No worries.

I understand your point, it's a shame they got to that point, but because they did I do think the equity line was the best way to at least hold the debt somewhere more reasonable.
People are crazy with credit cards.

 

[NCEast]

Well, they, as a couple were friends with the Cooper's much longer than JA was with NC. Don't forget they were hosting the "saddest party ever". They had plans with them for later that evening too.

I think on the creepy scale, JA is much higher. JMO

I thought she was drugged/creepy/weird during her testimony.

 

[Danielle59]

Plus there was the neighbor, remember he thought someone was trying to break in to his house so he called police and they said they would patrol the area. That was late.....1AM or so?

Exactly, the one with brain trauma'ed child that Boz insinuated the boy's friends were pulling a prank, and the mother or father, I can't recall which one, said, no, his friends were not pulling a prank that he was only home because of the brain trauma and lived somewhere else, in another town. How cruel was that of Boz? What kind of friends did Boz have that he thinks friends of someone that has a brain trauma would prank the family house only days after the son got out of the hospital after a life threatening injury.

ETA: Or was it HC that did cross on that one? It was still cruel. The State should have known more about that witness.

 

[kljohnson0458]

I thought she was drugged/creepy/weird during her testimony.

You thought JA was weird/drugged/creepy? I didn't see that if that is who you mean.

 

[jrb0124]

So, one of the items the jury requested was the BJ's receipts that showed the 30 bottles of Tide purchased. Are they looking at JA's story? I thought that was interesting.

I can't find DE 170. 171 was the video of the PI driving around the neighborhood, 173 is the photo with NC wearing the necklace. Unless it was shown out of order, I can't locate it. I think the audio of RL was in the high 160's.

Believe its the HT records. One was HT the other BJs.

 

[3doglady]

That is all assumption as there is no official notation anywhere as to which router Brad borrowed and if/when it was returned. GM has no clue where those routers have been in the past 3 years. He was trying to be Mr. Hero and do a CYA job, basically it was a flop.

It's in the court records but the jury did not hear Fry connect the mac address on BC's laptop to the router. However there were only (2) 3285 routers and one is still at Cisco. GM testified that it has never been used, is still in the box on the shelf. These are $11,000.00 routers. The serial # of the router still at Cisco is the serial# on the Chicago printout. GM did not know what that printout was and it was never verified. The router (ending in H) was not on the printout yet people continue to say it is. If there were only (2) 3285 routers at Cisco and one is still in the box and on the shelf, that verifies (along with the laptop) that the router (ending in H) is the one Brad used.

I'll concede one thing, Kurtz did a good job confusing people which is his job.

 

[Danielle59]

they didn't have him take his shirt off....

just sayin'....

Then they should have after her body was found, scratches that drew blood would not have disappeared by then.

 

[kljohnson0458]

Night everyone. Tomorrow is another day of wait. I see those that are left are the BDDI club. Peace out.

 

[bloghooligan]

My bolding, the equipment manager on Monday said it was never returned. The replacement router was not due to arrive until the fall of 2008 according to the document placed in evidence. By this time Brad was on leave and he never picked up the replacement router. The router that Brad took never again showed up at Cisco.

Waste of money? Sure, but they only had 2 in stock ever, probably "just in case" an important customer needed one quickly, but as you said, that's not related to the trial.

We/They don't know that. The only thing GM knows is that when he did an inventory LAST MONDAY the router wasn't there. He really has no idea where it was between when he and Brad chatted about it and last Monday because he didn't do a physical inventory.

 

[Lori59]

We/They don't know that. The only thing GM knows is that when he did an inventory LAST MONDAY the router wasn't there. He really has no idea where it was between when he and Brad chatted about it and last Monday because he didn't do a physical inventory.

I feel pretty confident that the jurors are going to believe the Cisco witness....and Brad's chat for that matter. JMO

 

[Danielle59]

Did he know for sure the plans hadn't changed. What am I missing here. This was between JA and NC. I truly don't believe she made anyone change their story or try to take control. JMO and I'm stickin to it.

NC talked to MH last, she called BC on her phone so MH could confirm the tennis plans. NC knew about the tennis plans, and now we are to believe she had plans with JA that changed at the last minute? JA wasn't invited to the party the night before, that is where NC spoke to MH about tennis. JA's husband, BA, said that they did't expect NC to bring the children with her to paint. But he also fell on some words with his testimony this week about waking up at 7 that contradicted his wife's. I believe MH, and I believe CDittner.

 

[Danielle59]

I thought she was drugged/creepy/weird during her testimony.

If you mean, JA, I agree with you.

 

[gbay]

Right. But Boz said yesterday something about Brad leaving the garage at 2am to dispose of her body. I caught it, it was very early in his part of the closing.

I didn't catch it...I am sure you are right about it.I think it is interesting they both believe Brad was out not only right after 6:00 but in the middle of the night.

 

[jrb0124]

NC talked to MH last, she called BC on her phone so MH could confirm the tennis plans. NC knew about the tennis plans, and now we are to believe she had plans with JA that changed at the last minute? JA wasn't invited to the party the night before, that is where NC spoke to MH about tennis. JA's husband, BA, said that they did't expect NC to bring the children with her to paint. But he also fell on some words with his testimony this week about waking up at 7 that contradicted his wife's. I believe MH, and I believe CDittner.

Kurtz: are you aware that your wife testified that you were both still in bed at 8:00?
BA: no

 

[Danielle59]

We/They don't know that. The only thing GM knows is that when he did an inventory LAST MONDAY the router wasn't there. He really has no idea where it was between when he and Brad chatted about it and last Monday because he didn't do a physical inventory.

And, he didn't ask anyone else in the department if they had it.

 

[Lori59]

NC talked to MH last, she called BC on her phone so MH could confirm the tennis plans. NC knew about the tennis plans, and now we are to believe she had plans with JA that changed at the last minute? JA wasn't invited to the party the night before, that is where NC spoke to MH about tennis. JA's husband, BA, said that they did't expect NC to bring the children with her to paint. But he also fell on some words with his testimony this week about waking up at 7 that contradicted his wife's. I believe MH, and I believe CDittner.

The paint plans were in effect plain and simple. Nancy had brought the children to paint before.......I seriously doubt Nancy cared one way or another about Brad's tennis plans....she had her own plans to paint. Keep trying to make JA out to be a horrible person...it isn't going to work on the jurors. I bet they see her as a devoted friend that loved Nancy dearly. JMO

 

[gbay]

It's in the court records but the jury did not hear Fry connect the mac address on BC's laptop to the router. However there were only (2) 3285 routers and one is still at Cisco. GM testified that it has never been used, is still in the box on the shelf. These are $11,000.00 routers. The serial # of the router still at Cisco is the serial# on the Chicago printout. GM did not know what that printout was and it was never verified. The router (ending in H) was not on the printout yet people continue to say it is. If there were only (2) 3285 routers at Cisco and one is still in the box and on the shelf, that verifies (along with the laptop) that the router (ending in H) is the one Brad used.

I'll concede one thing, Kurtz did a good job confusing people which is his job.

Yes...some people are/were confused...I thought it was pretty straight forward!!

 

[cityslick]

This is very interesting info. This could have played a role in the motive.
He seemed to really want to do iron man's and NC was threatening to leave with the girls and he didn't want to pay her so he kept her there and then that got in the way with his iron man plans because he had to "play great dad" like NC said to her lawyer, so he was unable to accomplish his personal goals because of her and do his iron man thing.

Wow I think I had a light bulb moment.

That's not why he cancelled going to the 7/12 race. SH testified as to the reason why it was cancelled.

 

[RaleighNative]

I thought she was drugged/creepy/weird during her testimony.

I agree. When NC initially went missing, the only thing I thought was unusual about the neighbor-I-shall-not-identify was that she called LE fast. When she mentioned her suspicions of BC, I thought "well, she was a really good friend and NC must have shared she was fearful of her husband".

But with all the evidence, we know that's not the case. And it really is just weird. An adult friend does not show at your home to paint and you call LE almost immediately?

And if she and NC were such close friends, why did she "throw a tantrum", according to sworn independent statements, when she saw a text on NC's phone from a Brett? And she immediately assumed her husband and her EXTREMELY close friend were having an affair? I don't know about any of you, but I certainly would not have jumped to that conclusion, especially with an extremely close friend.

Then there was her gathering of the neighbors, "holding court" in BC's front yard when NC was missing, getting stories straight amongst neighbors, saying only SHE could speak to LE, dropping neighbors who did not get involved in the custody case as she requested...and the list goes on.

It's just bizarre. Many people suspect her. I don't know if I suspect her or not.

But I can't explain her behavior, no matter how much I rack my brain. Maybe she has some sort of mental illness or significant psychological issues? It's not that just one of her actions do not make sense, it's that virtually ALL her MANY actions do not make sense.

 

[cityslick]

It may have been over the line, perhaps a lot of JA's actions were. But I don't think I've ever had a friend who would get that involved in a situation if I were discovered missing/dead. So I, when it's all said and done, think JA was a true friend. She has been in the courtroom with the family many days throughout this trial.

I never said she was a bad friend. But I believe that she believed in her convictions so bad that she probably did and said things to reinforce her beliefs to others (no matter how true they may or may not be).

She was willing to throw BC to the wolves without any evidence, only the fact that she didn't like him.

She was willing to tell LE anything that cast BC in a negative light, because she didn't like him.

Yea, she was a good friend and a lot of her actions get excused because in the end it probably doesn't matter, he's guilty, but can you imagine if that wasn't the case?