2011.05.10 - Sidebar Thread (Jury Selection Day Two)

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Dear Websleuths Members,

It seems just when we think it can't get any stranger it does.

Apparently a person was put on the defense witness list AND called for jury duty.

Because of gossiping going on in the waiting room 49 jurors were dismissed.

http://www.wftv.com/news/27835684/detail.html

In this story it is revealed that Patricia Young is on the witness list and and was singled out by the judge because she was called as a potential juror.

This name is now in the main stream media.

There is no need to do unnecessary bashing. Let's keep the focus on the trial. Not on the weird side shows.

Posters were starting to sleuth out this jury member. Not only is this extremely against our Terms of Service Websleuths could get in trouble for digging into the names and pasts of potential jury members.

Please do not ever sleuth out ANYONE who is even possibly going to get a jury notice or ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES. DO NOT DO IT.


Many of you are dedicating your personal time to this case and I appreciate all you do. Just keep in mind our TOS and there won't be any problems.

Thank you,

Tricia
 
Dear Websleuths Members,

It seems just when we think it can't get any stranger it does.

Apparently a person was put on the defense witness list AND called for jury duty.

Because of gossiping going on in the waiting room 49 jurors were dismissed.

http://www.wftv.com/news/27835684/detail.html

In this story it is revealed that Patricia Young is on the witness list and and was singled out by the judge because she was called as a potential juror.

This name is now in the main stream media.

There is no need to do unnecessary bashing. Let's keep the focus on the trial. Not on the weird side shows.

Posters were starting to sleuth out this jury member. Not only is this extremely against our Terms of Service Websleuths could get in trouble for digging into the names and pasts of potential jury members.

Please do not ever sleuth out ANYONE who is even possibly going to get a jury notice or ANY POTENTIAL WITNESSES. DO NOT DO IT.


Many of you are dedicating your personal time to this case and I appreciate all you do. Just keep in mind our TOS and there won't be any problems.

Thank you,

Tricia

Out of curiousity what counts as "sleuthing". Am I right in thinking that WS'ers can't (under that rule) seek out information about the background of potential witnesses (like criminal convictions, interests, prior testimony, etc?)
 
The reason one should not be shackled is because some may presume the prisoner guilty or may imply the prisoner may be a threat, this obviously can taint the jury. With this point I agree.

In Casey Anthony's case it may also have been to save her anymore embarrassment and injury as she seems unable to wear them without losing equilibrium, crashing to the floor and chipping a tooth requiring dental repair.

If Casey Anthony needs to speak with her attorney she just needs to indicate that at some point during the proceeding and her Attorney will arrange it, if he wants to, or needs to.

Unfortunately the defendant continually plucks at, pokes, touches and flirts with both her male attorneys they have yet to get this behavior under control, she has also slapped JB's arm and tried to get his attention while at the podium.
I could go on but you get my meaning, she is the embarrassment in the courtroom and her rights far from being impinged upon are indulged to an extreme degree.

The vast majority aren't sitting here hoping Casey gets karma bombed in some way just to indulge our need for revenge. Most respectfully, I find your own judgment to be over harsh and a little critical. All most people want is justice for Calyee who amidst all the brouhaha is almost always forgotten.

Look I apologise if you took offense at my comment. Not least because I did not mean to. Why would I? You are just commenting as you feel based upon your sympathy for Caylee and (what I imagine) you firmly believe happened to her.

TBH, I am not being critical. That's why I said I understand why people take the view that they do.

To jump to your comment at the end, I agree that Caylee has been forgotten in all this. However, I would say this is due to the media circus, or more accurately all those who are pandering to it. The through-flow of gold-digging experts, the dream team that no longer is (some of whom I must say I have enormous respect for), Jury Consultants publicity seeking then dropping the case (or so we are told) at the last minute, and last but not least the ever changing representation, most irksome being Nejame representing different parties notwithstanding actual (or at least potential) conflict of interest. Whatever, Casey did or tried to do could not have nearly the effect all of the foregoing has had on this Trial/Circus. Regardless of whether or not she contributed to this trial becoming a circus she certainly isn't the cause.

Unfortunately, however a Criminal trial is necessarily centered on the Defendant because in such a situation we are not so much on a "search for the truth" as we are concerned with the answer to the question "has the state proven the Defendant is guilty" AKA "is the Defendant guilty". If this feeds sociopath's desires then so be it. That's because we in society say that to ensure we do not convict innocent people we must give everyone a fair trial before convicting them of a criminal offense. Unfortunately, it is easy to grant these rights to people that we like but the test of a truely civilized society is one which grants these fundamental rights to those that we don't like or even despise.

In any event, back to the thread of your point. Maybe we are getting all bit excited over this issue (I take some blame here). Let's face it: she is spending a few extra minutes in the court room. I very much doubt this is most troublesome matter for anyone concerned in this case. There are WAY more important issues such as (1) what actually happened (not the question the Trial has to answer but certainly a seminal issue), (2) the penalty ICA should face if convicted, (3) what evidence should be admitted, (4) finding an impartial jury that can actually try this case. Perhaps we all (me included) lost sight of this :( .

Just as an aside, though, the "flirting". I think it has been blown out of proportion. I have seen attorney's console their clients, etc with all possible permutations of male client/female lawyer, male client/male lawyer, etc so on it's own that is not an issue. But as irksome as we may find some of other "over-friendly" behaviours I very much doubt much can realistically be done to stop this and again as long as she get's a fair trial and it doesn't impede the judicial process it really is not that important.

In any event, what's the point? Could you imagine if the SA were to stoop to the level of filing a "Motion to Enjoin the Defendant from Touching her Attorney's or looking at them in a Flirtatious Manner and Fluttering her Eyelashes in a Coquettish Fashion"? Wouldn't this just overly sansationalise the trial? Does Jeff Ashton really need to be nicknamed "FogHorn LegHorn, Junior" or "Clueless Wonder Mark II"?

N.B. I respect that some may find this "flirtatious" behaviour offensive to Caylee's memory but there is a lot worse that has gone on in this Media Circus that is more insulting to the memory of Caylee and I firmly believe that the best way of honouring a homicide victim is a fair trial of the alleged/suspected perpetrator followed by a jury doing their best to render a true verdict.



In any event. I hope you don't take offense at what I said.[
 
Out of curiousity what counts as "sleuthing". Am I right in thinking that WS'ers can't (under that rule) seek out information about the background of potential witnesses (like criminal convictions, interests, prior testimony, etc?)

That plus where they live, their social sites, addresses, employers, family, friends and friends of friends.

Basically, it means we can only discuss what is released in the Main Stream Media.
 
omg ... was just watching JVM ... I know, I know, but I couldn't sleep ...
(sorry, I don't have a link for this yet) ...

She had LA's former attorney on about whether or not the DT was going to go after a family member ... and she had the video from last night of BC saying he thought ICA would take the stand ...

And then she had the sound-bite of JB saying we would find out in the "first minute" of opening statement WHY ICA waited 31 days to call LE about Caylee ...

Oh ... and we'll find this out tomorrow night on her show when a "theory" is presented ...

Gee ... I can't wait ...

Anyone see this ?? Did I get this right, because I'm a little burnt out right now ...

Thoughts ? ? ?
 
Are these articles describing the SAME person?

According to Judge Perry, a Texas Equusearch volunteer whose name is on the witness list was called to jury duty Tuesday at the Pinellas County Courthouse, and talked to Tuesday's jury pool about the case.

How could a witness in an upcoming trial be called for jury duty? The judge said jurors are summoned based on their driver's license numbers, so there was no way they could have expected that to happen. (http://www.baynews9.com/article/new...ed-jury-pool-sent-home-for-talking-about-case)

and

Patricia Young of St. Petersburg is the woman who was shoved by George Anthony in front of his house. She told WFTV she wanted to press charges against him, but Young later changed her mind.

Young was just deposed by the defense and was singled out to talk to Perry, because she's wasn't only called for jury duty in the case she was also called as a witness. (http://www.wftv.com/news/27835684/detail.html)
 
Out of curiousity what counts as "sleuthing". Am I right in thinking that WS'ers can't (under that rule) seek out information about the background of potential witnesses (like criminal convictions, interests, prior testimony, etc?)

Unless it is directly related to the case then no you can't.

Here is an example. If the defense hires an expert witness for something and someone posts that this expert witness has been a paid expert witness for defense cases for the past 29 years then yes you can post that.

What you can't do is post info about the expert witness saying he/she is divorced or whatever.

As far as regular witness there is no need to sleuth anything out about them unless it is directly related to the case. Such as prior depo testimony. Their criminal past has no bearing on the case unless it is brought up in court. If they have a criminal past that is. As far as who they are, what they do, how many times they have been married, all of these things have no business being on Websleuths.

We want to keep Websleuths from becoming a gossip mongering site where you can find dirt on innocent people. We don't always succeed but we do our best.

I hope this helps.
 
All I can say about the issue is...

Don't people know not to poop in the pool?

Why didn't this juror / witness alert someone immediately? Why sit in the room and chat?? 49 jurors wasted.

You just don't poop in the jury pool.
 
It is too bad that the media is not forbidden to report on this case until there is a jury. I know that is impossible and probaby unconstituational, but it can't be helping, especially with Nancy Grace and the like.
 
NG any seasoned lawyer doesn't talk to client at the counsel table. lol Way to go Baez
 
According to Judge Perry, a Texas Equusearch volunteer whose name is on the witness list was called to jury duty Tuesday at the Pinellas County Courthouse, and talked to Tuesday's jury pool about the case.

How could a witness in an upcoming trial be called for jury duty? The judge said jurors are summoned based on their driver's license numbers, so there was no way they could have expected that to happen.


Here is my :twocents:

If you are a "witness" and on the "Witness List" for an "upcoming trial", and especially if you have already been served with a subpoeana ...

And then ... you get a "Jury Summons" for "Jury Duty" in the county in which you reside ...

Wouldn't you "immediately" go to the Jury Clerk and explain your circumstances ?

Wouldn't you go to the Clerk and say something like : "I am a witness in the such and such case which is scheduled to start on May 17" ... and "I now have a notice for Jury Duty for May 9" ...

I would have immediately gone to the Jury Clerk and explained this situation ...

I would NOT have "blabbed on" in a room full of potential jurors !

I mean this is "common sense 101" ...

I hope what I said made sense ...
 
It is too bad that the media is not forbidden to report on this case until there is a jury. I know that is impossible and probaby unconstituational, but it can't be helping, especially with Nancy Grace and the like.

Way back in the day, the SA requested or suggested a gag order in this case, and the defense team argued against it. And here we are. :banghead:
 
Here is my :twocents:

If you are a "witness" and on the "Witness List" for an "upcoming trial", and especially if you have already been served with a subpoeana ...

And then ... you get a "Jury Summons" for "Jury Duty" in the county in which you reside ...

Wouldn't you "immediately" go to the Jury Clerk and explain your circumstances ?

Wouldn't you go to the Clerk and say something like : "I am a witness in the such and such case which is scheduled to start on May 17" ... and "I now have a notice for Jury Duty for May 9" ...

I would have immediately gone to the Jury Clerk and explained this situation ...

I would NOT have "blabbed on" in a room full of potential jurors !

I mean this is "common sense 101" ...

I hope what I said made sense ...

Yes it does make sense except that when you are summoned for JD, you would have no idea which case you may be seated on as a juror. Perhaps it's just a one day civil case. You normally wouldn't know until you were escorted into the courtroom to meet the judge and the lawyers. One of the women I saw interviewed said they (the jurors) had no idea they were potential jurors for the Anthony case.

But I know I certainly would NOT be talking about the fact that I was going to be a witness in an upcoming case because I don't believe you are supposed to discuss your testimony outside the courtroom, isn't that correct?

What a mess!
 
If JB is telling the media that in his opening statement we will see the ahh moment, and his client is innocent. Then tell me why is he the only one smirking at the table?
Why isn't his innocent client smiling her butt off?
 
If JB is telling the media that in his opening statement we will see the ahh moment, and his client is innocent. Then tell me why is he the only one smirking at the table?
Why isn't his innocent client smiling her butt off?

oh I have a theory...and it's not an accident. Just came to me fixing dinner. a couple theories really...let's just say, it's a riff on:

In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. DUN DUN!

And it ain't measles.
 
Sentinel exclusive: Letter from potential Casey Anthony juror who was dismissed from case



To whom it may concern:

I was one of the 50 potential jurors excused from service on the Casey Anthony trial today because of "tainting" caused by one juror, who discussed her first-hand knowledge of the case in the presence of several others.

I want to suggest, to avoid a repeat of my experience, that during the remainder of the selection process for this and all other highly sensitive cases coming through the 6th Judicial Circuit, you tell each and every person who reports for jury service that HE/SHE IS NOT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY CASE PRIOR TO, OR DURING, THE PROCESS OF VOIR DIRE (I.E. BEFORE BEING EXCUSED FROM SERVICE).................................................................snipped read more of letter


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-anthony-juror-letter-20110510,0,384110.story
 
Sorry if this has been discussed, but why is the MSM reporting that jury selection is now a day and a half behind?
If they have a new group coming in tomorrow AM, didn't they only lose a half day? HHBP didn't dismiss all the call-backs from yesterday and this morning, did he.

What am I missing?
 
Sorry if this has been discussed, but why is the MSM reporting that jury selection is now a day and a half behind?
If they have a new group coming in tomorrow AM, didn't they only lose a half day? HHBP didn't dismiss all the call-backs from yesterday and this morning, did he.

What am I missing?

I think at the rate they are going it might be unlikely they will get a jury by Tuesday. But saying that I didn't think they could do this right from the beginning
 
Sentinel exclusive: Letter from potential Casey Anthony juror who was dismissed from case



To whom it may concern:

I was one of the 50 potential jurors excused from service on the Casey Anthony trial today because of "tainting" caused by one juror, who discussed her first-hand knowledge of the case in the presence of several others.

I want to suggest, to avoid a repeat of my experience, that during the remainder of the selection process for this and all other highly sensitive cases coming through the 6th Judicial Circuit, you tell each and every person who reports for jury service that HE/SHE IS NOT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY CASE PRIOR TO, OR DURING, THE PROCESS OF VOIR DIRE (I.E. BEFORE BEING EXCUSED FROM SERVICE).................................................................snipped read more of letter


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-anthony-juror-letter-20110510,0,384110.story

I have to think that something nearly exactly like this will be in effect from this point forward
 
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