2011.05.27 Sidebar Thread

[Turnadot]

If Mr Birch opened the trunk wouldn''t that mean he broke into it and could get into trouble?

Yes. But it's my understanding the car was sealed, yet he could still smell human decomp.

(((Caylee)))

 

[SillyJilly]

Just finished lunch with my daughter Kaylee. 5 yrs old now, 2 when Caylee went missing. That I guess is what caught my attention back in 08 when this all started. So I get on the couch with the laptop and throw on the DVR from this morrning (watching lady from Amscot now).

My daughter has been around all week as I watch this case. She is not watching with me she is playing and watching her shows in the play room. She has caught little things here and there. I don't sensor much from her and I don't lie to her either so we discussed the other day. It sounded like this...

Back in the summer when you were 2 this little girl caylee went missing. Before Christmas she was found and not alive anymore. The police think her mommy may have done something wrong and she may be in alot of trouble. There was questioning back and forth on details and such where I tried to sugarcoat some thing and tell her as much as I could with out scraing her.

So today we are eating lunch...
Her: Daddy is that her mommy?
Me: Yes that is.
Her: Why is she in trouble again?
Me: Because the ploice think that she did something wrong when Kaylee was found.
Her: She was dead? They think she did it? (puzzled look on her face)
Me: Yes they do.
Her: Wow! The police are so wrong! It had to be a stranger or a bad person. Her Mommy would never do like that to her. Jeeeees!

I've choked myself up now :crazy:.
The innocence of the lil ones. AMAZING!

Your daughter sounds a lot like my son,who has had the luck of seeing me glued to the computer the last few weeks watching every second. I tried to explain this to him as well(he is 5 next month) and his reply was,"But Mommies love you. They don't hurt you. She can't be a REAL mommy!"

It breaks my heart how innocent they are to all of this and how jaded we have all become from this:frown:

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Not necessarily. We don't know when she placed it in her trunk, or when Caylee really truly died. I've always believed the June 16th death was factual, otherwise where was she?! ICA could have place her anywhere, then back in the trunk, then dumped her... we'll never know because ICA will NEVER tell.

While I tend to agree with the June 16 date - I've always harbored the thought in the back of my mind that she might have gotten away with it for a day or so - and obviously couldn't go home because Caylee would "tell." She obviously had a few hidey holes in the area where she would hang out after she left for "work" until she came home from "work" I really wonder if she didn't stow the body for a time, or just succeed in keeping the smell down with some rather constant maintenance. Once it got beyond her ability to fix, (and she'd gotten a hold of mom's Penney's card) she ditched it. Or, she could have just run out of gas. :banghead:

 

[costalpilot]

We're simply discussing his testimony. I'm sure at least 1 person on the jury is wondering why Mr Birch didn't alert the police about the smell. I can't be the only one wondering about it.

your NOT. the IS host brought it up and SH brushed right by it.

most here obviously are doing the same.

maybe baez will also, and not bring it up. maybe the jurors will also.

maybe not. we'll see.

but your not alone.

 

[zoey]

Mmmmm..... lovely lunch time discussion.

I'm so glad that I'm Pacific/Westcoast......

 

[mydailyopinions]

We're simply discussing his testimony. I'm sure at least 1 person on the jury is wondering why Mr Birch didn't alert the police about the smell. I can't be the only one wondering about it.

I think it will be answered after lunch.
I understood him as saying that it was a minimal smell ..and if he had the paperwork in front of him at the time, which is what I understood, then he noticed how long the car sat at the Amscott before they picked it up. If the smell was minimal at that time, after a few days had pasted, I'm almost certain that just looking in the car discounted the minimal smell to him at the time, especially given the days that the car was unoccupied.

 

[sophie01]

Then what? Hopefully the police would trace the ownership of the car to the Anthony family, find out from them that there's a toddler who's been missing, connect the smell to the missing child and start an investigation.

I agree, I think Burch should've made a phone call. Unless the next thing we learn is that he looked at the car and the Anthony's came to pick up the car. Honestly, even then I think he should make the call and let the police follow up with the Anthony's.

There wasn't a toddler missing yet.

 

[fifteen89]

Here's the problem, IMO, Mr Birch didn't have to tamper with the car. He just had to make a phone call to the police alerting them to the smell of human decomp coming from the car.

He didn't. If I were on the jury, his explanation would have to be pretty darn good and have nothing to do with just following procedure/rules.

But maybe that's just me.

Not just you. Me too.

 

[January.]

Note to self: Do not read this thread while eating lunch.

 

[zoey]

Anybody think its ironic that they go on and on needing this and that to impeach witnesses....YET they represent the biggest offender of lies????????????????:maddening:

 

[Tink]

I am irritated by the questions about what a great mom ICA was and the "amazing" bond between Caylee and her mother.

First of all, dragging her toddler in and out of various men's beds is not exactly what I would call good mothering.

Secondly, I have worked in this field (children's services) and children who are abused and neglected are frequently EXTRA affectionate and demonstrative towards their abusive parents. They KNOW that to act angry towards the parent, or to not act loving, means more punishment later. And, in reality, like almost all little children, they LOVE their parents, no matter how they've been treated. So it can look - to someone who doesn't really understand child development and child psychologically - as though the abusive parent and child have a "special connection." The child will be running to the mother, being demonstratively affectionate, responding promptly if called, etc.

I'm not saying that ICA WAS abusive (although I do find the "silent" videotaping quite concerning). But the opinions of childless 20-year-olds about ICA's mothering are basically useless.

I also feel like JB is trying to say "these incidents show what a great liar ICA is, and so she was able to lie about her child's accidental death." But if she's such a convincing liar, why should we believe the story she apparently told you?

Tink

 

[lemon]

Caylee died while her life was still beautiful. Remember in her jail letters from Casey to Robyn:

“Is it wrong of me though to not really want to know the truth? I’m honestly scared for the numerous possibilities. She’s safe, she’s in God’s loving arms; in a lot of ways, I’m content by the fact that she will never have to have her heart broken or see the constant negativity that our society breeds, nor will she ever be abused or taken advantage of.” :banghead:

Just a thought I had while reading what you quoted. Caylee did have her heart broken. The person she loved the most hurt her and most likely watched as she died. But I guess KC is too disconnected from normal feelings to think that way, that a child loves their parents more than anything and having them stand by and not come to their aid while they are in distress would be the definition of heartbreak for a 2 year old.

 

[trigger]

We're simply discussing his testimony. I'm sure at least 1 person on the jury is wondering why Mr Birch didn't alert the police about the smell. I can't be the only one wondering about it.

Yeah, he should have called and JB is sitting eating his lunch thinking of all his questions he is going to ask Simon. Sadly no one ever calls 911 when they should IMO. GA or CA didn't either. If they did this whole case would sure be completely different. LOL.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Why is Simon B. on trial? Seriously?

I don't have anything against the guy and think he is doing a great job...however I have to admit that if you know that smell, the way he has testified that he knows that smell, I am a little curious why a call to the non emergency police number was not considered. But being a tow yard guy and apparently running into that smell often, there is no telling.

When I was volunteering for the IP, one of the mothers of a person who I believed to be wrongfully convicted had spent all of her money on her son's defense and because they had nothing left after trial, she was forced to drive the car that the victim died in. It didn't smell, because the body wasn't in there long, but you never know anyone else's circumstances and there could be a perfectly legal and plausible explanation to why the car smelled that way that didn't involve killing your two year old, I suppose. I'm open to just about anything. But if it had been me, I'm kind of a buttinski when it comes to crime and I probably would have called, just to make sure it was all on the up and up and to make sure there wasn't a dead body in my tow yard.

 

[fifteen89]

I am sure there is something in place in regards to not tampering with a vehicle until the registered owner comes to claim it or the proper days have lapsed and proper procedures are followed in which they can begin the process of claiming and registering the abandoned vehicle to the company...
LE was notified with the TAG number in order to obtain the registered owners name so they can send a registered letter
The car was not reported stolen

He didn't need to tamper with the car to pick up the phone and call police.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Speaking of the tattoo - Am I alone in thinking it was NOT a tribute to Caylee but rather signified Casey starting a new "beautiful life" without her? She felt like she had a fresh start, remember her diary saying "this is the happiest I've been in a long time". I just don't think it was for Caylee at all.

BBM

I just will never believe that was Casey's handwriting in that dairy. I've said that for a long time. It looks more to me like Cindy wrote that. I have no idea why she would, but if you look at the different letter formations, it looks like Cindy's. Casey has never written that neatly on anything I have ever seen. JMO

Back on topic, I simply cannot wait for the jury to see that tattoo!

 

[Chiquita71]

Following rules and procedures costalpilot - wait for Simon to reel off the company rules... Those towing and storage companies work hand in hand with the police.

It would appear that JB may have forgotten the tattoo. "A beautiful life".
What can he say about it? :waitasec:

A - She liked the sexual abuse? Thus, "A beautiful life"? :waitasec:

B - This theory is baloney and I forgot about the tattoo? :waitasec:

I really don't see how he can expect this to fly.

Linda's strategy is tight. Her timing is perfection.

:tyou: ITA :yes:

 

[gitana1]

That is worrisome. A friend of my friend thought Scott Peterson was "hot" (her words) and wouldn't mind dating him.

I think the jury will be put off that the defendant is smiling and acting animated when she is on trial for her life.


Hey, does anyone know where I can see a review of Dante S. testifying?
I could not find his testimony on WFTV yesterday. TIA!!!

 

[fifteen89]

We're simply discussing his testimony. I'm sure at least 1 person on the jury is wondering why Mr Birch didn't alert the police about the smell. I can't be the only one wondering about it.

Yeah, he ain't on trial. I'm just bothered by him not making the phone call.

 

[bam]

What happened previously when the Judge was excusing someone because they were approached and he pounded his fist on the bench? I missed it. I just got in from getting groceries.