2011.06.06 Sidebar (Trial Day Eleven)

[logicalgirl]

They should decline. Every time I turn around I see her on a different show. I have to wonder where she finds the time for all of the rejuvenation she is having done.:innocent:

Rejuvenation! Thank You Whiteangora! That's the word I was searching around for - er um...I was referring to it as her "MacTack" work....:innocent:

 

[mydailyopinions]

I didn't read all the way through to find the answer.

But I decided that I would do a workout every time he objected and was overruled or a sidebar was caused....the workout was as follows as in...like the first time he was overruled, I did 10 squats. The next I did 10 situps, the next 10 pushups, the next 10 burpees.

By 2:00-2:30 (AND I WOKE UP LATE so started at 9:30) ((and of course missed some cause I couldn't catch my breath or feel my legs)....

I had done about 80 squats, 70 situps, 70 pushups and about 25 burpees (as i broke my ankle in January and burpees with barefeet tweek said ankle((and replaced burpees with Good Morning hamstring workouts))) and about 45 Good Mornings...

i wont be able to walk tomorrow or lift a diet coke.

What a wonderful way to stay in shape through all of this! Wow! I imagine you are sore but it should be well worth it..Heck, maybe I'll join you on Tuesday and loose the (not going to say) weight that I gained since this case started!

 

[ami]

it's just too subjective, imo. Most of the jurors may have never even smelled decomp before so they really would not be qualified and have nothing to compare it to. It could do more harm than good. moo

I hear you. But they've never seen a chromatogram (most of them?) either, and they aren't qualified to judge it, but they were shown it anyway. I'm not trying to argue or stir anything up, I'm genuinely curious about why certain types of technical or specialized evidence are shown to the jury and others aren't. I don't know much about trials or law.

I was very disappointed that Dr. V did not give a possible explanation for the shockingly high amounts of chloroform in his results. I was equally disappointed that neither JB or JA asked him what could possibly explain the high amounts of chloroform in his results.

As far as I know, I was under the impression that chloroform quickly dissipates in a similar way to gasoline. I would have thought that even if someone poured a bottle of chloroform in the trunk that after a few weeks, if not much sooner that the chloroform would be gone. The trunk was opened many times for many hours prior to the taking of the air samples. I don't understand how a shockingly high amount of chloroform could still show up in his results. It seems to me that there is something wrong there. I guess that JA and JB did not ask what could have caused a shockingly high level of chloroform in Dr. V's results because neither of them knew what the answer might be.

As always my entire post is my opinion only.

Vass explained that and was also surprised at how high the levels still were in the carpet because of its evaporative properties. I believe he said that they incubated the carpet sample to volatilize what remained to do so in the fibers according to whatever protocol they use for these studies. Alongside a carpet control. So this would be the chloroform that remained in the fibers and/or soaked into the spare tire well cover (can't recall if he tested both for chloroform).

 

[mydailyopinions]

I hope that I've covered the many Thank You "Notes" here and even though it soulds like this was a day not to miss, I had to bow out of this travesty, so one last Thank You for the kind sentiments and recaps...how horrible is it to receive such tragic family news and within minutes, one's mind has no choice but to think of Casey Anthony?!

Love,
RR

raying: for peace for you and your loved ones during this time.

 

[Softail]

Starting at about 15:12 is toward the end of today - This portion of JB questioning Dr. Vass, is where JB is really worked up, to the point of objecting to himself (18:04 ish)! :giggle:

http://www.wftv.com/video/28149349/index.html

 

[Niner]

WOW, this is unreal - !! Just counted up the sidebars and objections from JUST this morning - JA with Dr. Vass, with JB objecting!

It is 4 sidebars - 2 before the morning break (~10:30am)

27 objections!! only 2 sustained; 11 objections before the morning break ! about 10:30am
after break, with the jury out, 3 objections... :fence:

sorry to quote myself, but this might not be the correct count... I looked up wenwe4's posts, and it seems there are some parts missing... continuing TO COUNT morning's objections - could be a LOT more than I stated above... :crazy:

 

[logicalgirl]

I've been checking back to see if I can catch Bill S's summary of a day in the life of...and it is usually up long before now.

I wonder if he is sitting down with his foolscap and a little stuffy pencil re-writing the (many) bits his editor crossed out with her red pen, so he can say his piece on TV. I can just see him - er no - put a line through that - that doesn't sound very professional - and er no - oh maybe that's truthful but really really mean...oh geez - who cares if he sues us - it would never stick....:waitasec:

 

[MADJGNLAW]

To keep her screams from being heard from the trunk if in fact she woke up. JMHO

I could see her using the tape for the mouth, but why the nose? That is one of my big problem..why did they find duct tape over Caylee's nose/remains? To me that would mean that who ever put the tape over her nose did it with the intent to make sure the child would stop breathing IMO.

 

[TexasLori]

I hope that I've covered the many Thank You "Notes" here and even though it soulds like this was a day not to miss, I had to bow out of this travesty, so one last Thank You for the kind sentiments and recaps...how horrible is it to receive such tragic family news and within minutes, one's mind has no choice but to think of Casey Anthony?!

Love,
RR

RR, I have been thinking about you all day. I started a PM for you but in the end didn't send it because nothing I said sounded right.
So I'll just say I'm sending you prayers and Texas sized hugs and I hope you can feel the love from all the people here who care. rayer:

 

[logicalgirl]

I didn't read all the way through to find the answer.

But I decided that I would do a workout every time he objected and was overruled or a sidebar was caused....the workout was as follows as in...like the first time he was overruled, I did 10 squats. The next I did 10 situps, the next 10 pushups, the next 10 burpees.

By 2:00-2:30 (AND I WOKE UP LATE so started at 9:30) ((and of course missed some cause I couldn't catch my breath or feel my legs)....

I had done about 80 squats, 70 situps, 70 pushups and about 25 burpees (as i broke my ankle in January and burpees with barefeet tweek said ankle((and replaced burpees with Good Morning hamstring workouts))) and about 45 Good Mornings...

i wont be able to walk tomorrow or lift a diet coke.

Good Heavens that's wonderful!! I would have joined you but I didn't realize Finnell was up today....:innocent:

 

[gelfie68]

I see. And did tell you to say that?

Yes, but isn't it true?..........You are not a chemist?

 

[LyndyLoo]

I am listening to JVM ( who I dont like) interviewing Dr.Kobalinksy (KOBO)..and I find his remarks rather superficial..He is a forensic specialist ( Blood/DNA) however since this testimony by Dr.Vass is ground breaking,,He cant help himself but poo poo it...wonder where he stood before DNA got recognized???..LOL..

I have no doubt in the future this man ( Dr. Kobo) will use this as a foundation for HIS findings in the future.....All these Forensic specialist will ALL GAIN from Dr. Vass's research...They are just waiting for it to be found credible by the courts....

BTW Dr. Kobo nor most paid forensic specialist would waste their time on research..they only capitalize on all the HARDWORK performed by researcher's such as Dr. Vass.....I find it rather odd that these TH's would Badmouth this man...especially if they EVER WISH to use his findings in future.. CAN you imagine IF these "Experts" ever wish to use this in the future?? and have their opinions exposed???..Yikes....These experts best mind just what they air for the world to hear, see and able to recall??? NOT good for their future possible defenses IMO..

Example: Can you imagine if Lawyers and Forensic specialist poo poo'd DNA..then tried to sit as an expert witness to suggest "Innocence" of someone based on that particular evidence?...I recall back to Lawyer Scheck..from OJ fame...regarding DNA...but this also goes to FUTURE..
Bottomline..this evidence is groundbreaking...no more no less and best keep your well paid mouth shut IF you ever have to use it in the future..JMOO

 

[Softail]

I've been checking back to see if I can catch Bill S's summary of a day in the life of...and it is usually up long before now.
I wonder if he is sitting down with his foolscap and a little stuffy pencil re-writing the (many) bits his editor crossed out with her red pen, so he can say his piece on TV. I can just see him - er no - put a line through that - that doesn't sound very professional - and er no - oh maybe that's truthful but really really mean...oh geez - who cares if he sues us - it would never stick....:waitasec:

Here it is:

BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 22
http://www.wftv.com/video/28149509/index.html

ETA: :giggle: Bill talks about the "Meat fest" today!

 

[Cherry Ames]

My senior didn't dissect a frog, but he did skin a cat and dissect it.:sick:

How horrible...that would be like dissecting a family pet.

 

[Bittiness39]

Thanks for that list, I hadn't seen that before:

24. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-23-08, 6-29-08, 7-5-08
25. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-29-08

Snipped and supersized by me. This is what I am MOST anxious to see. If cameras at Home Depot have ICA on film buying ingredients in May 2008 that constitute chloroform...then the case, for me, and any mystery along with it...is over. Set Match Game. JMO.

 

[TexasLori]

You are all so appreciated...this is in my private world, but I felt that it was only right to share a tale of how the real process is in such a tragedy. I hope that he is dancing around to the Barney song with Caylee and making each other Happy!

That is a truly beautiful thought. I pray this is true!

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?

Nope. Totally changed my plans for supper tonight. DH is out of town and I was planning on throwing some burgers on the grill for DD and myself, and making bacon cheeseburgers. Had a hankering since yesterday.

Ended up having salad and vegetarian "macho" nachos and fruit salad. Have a feeling won't be having a burger for some time, unless I go out (doubtful, it is uber hot here) and get a box of Boca Burgers.

 

[azscr4mbl3r]

I assume ( common sense ) she bought acetone at HD to make chloroform. Also I tend to think after evaporation there is still the residue. Oh and pool chemicals I think are a red herring household bleach is fine to make chloroform and cheaper.

 

[Harmony 2]

I think they both considered it as a given. "Chloroform evaporates very quickly when exposed to air. Chloroform also dissolves easily in water, but does not stick to the soil very well. This means that it can travel down through soil to groundwater where it can enter a water supply. Chloroform lasts for a long time in both the air and in groundwater. Most chloroform in the air eventually breaks down, but this process is slow. The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxic than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=51&tid=16

"Long" is according to this site many years for groundwater, doesn't mention how long precisely for air or other surfaces like carpet though.
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/chloroform.htm

Adding this information..

Page 12 http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/le/chloro.pdf

The density of chloroform vapor is over four times greater than that of air; thus, in cases where concentrated gaseous emissions occur, the plume will tend to settle to the ground before dispersing.2 Chloroform decomposes slowly upon exposure to sunlight in the presence or absence of air, and in the dark in the presence of air.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes, but isn't it true?..........You are not a chemist?

You got me, I am not a chemist. Therefore, I have never been able to figure out how to bake bread. The gases confuse and frighten me.