2011.06.10 Sidebar (Trial Day Fifteen)

[Chiquita71]

I started out this way...went to feeling sorry for them because they lost their Grandbaby...but you can bet your bippy if ICa was in this house...that baby would still be alive and she would be stripped of her parental rights...she woulda had some serious psych tx early on. I can say that because I have actually done it...my daughter is BPD...and she had tx from 8-21 when she refused further tx...she has been warned that Mom will go to court and take her children should she ever once mistreat or neglect them. That is what is difficult for me to understand CA as a Mother...where were your maternal instincts to protect?????

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:tyou: :tyou: stilettos!

I am crying over your post! I am tired of being politically correct about this! I am angry. I am angry for Caylee.

I guess some people are just weak. George and Cindy are weak and pathetic...oh gmab...they were afraid of her...

oh I get how she does what she does...but she was the child at one time and THEY LET her be like this...

all the way to having a CHILD! I am back to George and Cindy being partically responsible for this: MURDER by their DAUGHTER.

oh and I hope they do give Casey the death penalty because she will never ever stop with these antics. NEVER.

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I know, I said I get a time out...really now I do...go away Chiquita...just go away...

Casey is so gross. I refuse to understand how Cindy allowed Caylee to be with her. If ANYONE in this world knows what Casey IS: it is Cindy and she even STATED AS SUCH: Casey is a sociopath!

:twocents:

 

[stilettos]

On IS, Dr Perper (ME) says "There is no reason why tape would be placed on a dead person". His interview was a little confusing, but I DID get this statement loud and clear!

Oh if the jury could get that!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cluciano63]

But the manner has to be determined by an autopsy? I'll leave you alone after this.

Autopsies are not done on everyone, just if there is a question about why the person died, or if the family requests it, or if the death is unattended and in any way suspcious or unexpected, usually. So manner would not always be determined by an autopsy, if the manner is natural causes, for instance. It would be determined by the opinion of the attending physician or ME.

 

[Snaz]

Could someone kindly explain to me the diff between Manner of Death and Cause of Death? Or is it the same?

In case no one has answered your question yet:

Manner of death is the classification of death, ie. accident, homicide, natural, etc. Cause of death is what actually killed the person, ie. myocardial infarction (heart attack), blunt force trauma to the head, asphyxiation, etc.

HTH

 

[logicalgirl]

Too bad they don't cavity search her too...she might stuff some unused tp in there for later.

The guard who posted here said - ah - that yes, er..um..she has one before she is returned to the jail at the end of the day....And before she leaves the jail....we told many jokes about that at the time...

 

[beach]

But the manner has to be determined by an autopsy? I'll leave you alone after this.

Duct tape applied for the purpose of blocking the airwaves of a 2 1/2 yr. old toddler makes it pretty easy to call it homicide.

It is highly improbable...no, I will go ahead and say it is impossible...that Caylee accidently tore 3 pieces of duct tape ranging from 7 3/4" - 9" long and wrapped them around her face to block her own airwaves.

Someone else intentionally applied the tape to her face. Blocked her airwaves. She could not breathe. She suffocated. This means it was homicide. A crime. Not an accident.

 

[Meemom]

No, you aren't lost...have you ever watched the last night of a season ender on TV where they mention something big but just leave you hanging so you will tune in next season? Well there you have it.

We got to the part in openings by Baez, of George standing yelling at ICA with a dead drowned Caylee in his arms....and then we cut to the teasers for the next stage, including Kronk, and late placing of remains, yabba, dabba doo-doo, but we didn't actually get to hear how exactly it all went down - according to the Defense Team.

OEEW, OEEW! (Horshack moment) JB is gonna save the details for his post trial book "Defensing of a Pathological Liar by The Mostest Prominent Hispanic Lawter Ever"........jmo....

 

[wandering]

Before her remains were found, Baez knew that Casey had dumped Caylees body, he refused to talk about it since this would have been damaging to his client, so they allowed her body decompose as much as possible since this would make it harder to prove manner of death and give Casey leverage in court, once Caylees remains were found she knew the gig was up, that's why she freaked out big time in jail. :maddening:

There's a special place in hell waiting for him, too.

 

[LyndyLoo]

i gotta tell ya, all this root talk is making me nervous.....how are they going to explain not finding her in an earlier search?

It is likely that area was totally flooded by Hurricane Fay that hit Orlando mid August of 2008..Tim Miller called off searches of that area due to water and dangers for the searchers..and fear of possible disturbance of anything they may come upon underwater..etc...Video's of that area shows just how difficult this area would be to search with such thick vegetation growth....

 

[zoey]

One more thing I have to get off my chest. So Cindy would rather fight with this unusual daughter of her's than just protect Caylee?

Yeah, Cindy loved Caylee but not as much as she hates Casey.

Besides the expense of going to court to obtain custody it may have been hard to prove ---sometimes it is easier to say than prove unfitness....I truly don't think that they thought the inmate would go this far---I was once quoted a figure to declare my mom incompetent (dementia)--it would have cost $10,000. and it wasn't a for sure deal....because she could behave at times---trust me anytime we went to the hospital I kept getting told/yelled at that she shouldn't be living alone...I showed them paper work that I had ---but told not able to use it---I think CA thought she could control it a bit havin them live there....jmo

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I'm not really understandig the defenses argument that Caylee drowned. If that was supposedly the case, what happened? So:

1. Caylee drowns
2. George and Casey have her dead on the lawn after pulling her out
3. Roy Kronk jumps into the yard and takes her into the woods?

What supposedly happen after she was found floating in the pool? Was that ever mentioned or was it left hanging to anyone's interpretation?

Sorry, I'm kind of lost in this.

Darlin', you're not any more lost than the rest of us. :crazy:

 

[concentric]

With all of the photo collages of Casey Anthony and Ted Bundy in people's sig lines I just had to look up some info on himhttp://www.freeessays.cc/db/44/smu338.shtm

In our posts several years ago, I questioned if KC would take the stand, or even try to represent herself like Ted Bundy.

 

[countzero]

Oh, the serial killer lover. oh yeah, she really helps the case.

No, that would be Rosie Bolin. No where to the found, thankfully.

 

[coloradoteacher]

On IS, Dr Perper (ME) says "There is no reason why tape would be placed on a dead person". His interview was a little confusing, but I DID get this statement loud and clear!

I think Dr. Perper just hit it on the head about why this is not an accident- he did say that there is no reason to put duct tape on a dead person, but the part that really hit it home for me is that there would be no reason to have duct tape ON THE NOSE... if this was a dead person and they were covering up an accident. I could see tape on the mouth to look like a kidnapping, but the nose would not make sense and IMHO, leads me to absolutely with no reasonable doubt to conclude that this is the cause of death and it is homicide.
Wow.
Anyone else see this?

 

[Chiquita71]

In all fairness to CA, I don't see what more she could have done, really. ICA is an adult, was the legal parent of Caylee, and CA had never seen any signs that ICA had been abusing Caylee. What was she supposed to have done? Try to take the child away? Okay, but not an easy task. Especially with no evidence of abuse.

I imagine CA thought it best to try to work around ICA and at least try to keep Caylee and Casey under her roof so she could look over Caylee.

JMO

Hey :wave: Mountain Kat

I understand what you are saying. But, why not just let Casey go do what she wanted to and keep Caylee safe?

She didn't have to get custody. Casey didn't want Caylee. Casey wanted to leave Caylee with her mom all the time.

But CINDY didn't want that...obviously. She cared more about making a STATEMENT to Casey about her lifestyle. A little TOO LATE Cindy.

She should have protected Caylee. Sorry. Technicalities are moot. IMHO.

Sorry Kat...none of this is directed at you or anyone here, of course! :blowkiss:

 

[legalmania]

I believe manner takes in all knowledge they have about the person and events surrounding the death.

Here I found a link: According to this it's the same thing.

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00206/text_ta_death_manner.htm

 

[Cailin Rua]

Many folks here at WS have suggested that Casey is a sociopath, and that's fine. I doubt there is anyone here who is qualified to "diagnose" Ms. Anthony, including myself. That said, I grew up with a Borderline sister and recognize many of the same characteristics in Casey. Borderlines see everything in black or white - there is no grey. They either love or hate anyone and everyone with whom they come in contact and can change colors at the drop of a hat.

One day, someone can be the Borderline's BFF while the next day, Casey wants to throttle that individual. Everyone tiptoes around the Borderline on eggshells because one never knows what "color" the Borderline sees. Family members live in fear of what the Borderline's next move will be - calling the police, threats of suicide, running away, etc. The "game" never ends because the Borderline always finds a way to get his/her ducks in a row, says "Jump!", and everyone asks, "How high?"

George and Cindy (and Lee) are no different from any other parents/siblings who have lived with a Borderline: They have lived in constant fear of Casey and have learned during the course of this trial that they may very well have been her next targets. jmo

While I definitely see borderline traits in Casey, if I had to make a guess I would say the narcissism is her dominant trait. The Cluster B personality disorders--Narcissistic, Antisocial, and Borderline--have a lot of common aspects. A lot of the psychologists I've worked with are of the opinion that it's more useful to think about clients in terms of how their personality is structured and what are their dominant traits. With Casey I can pick out aspects of narcissism and sociopathy as well as borderline.

 

[zoey]

Duct tape applied for the purpose of blocking the airwaves of a 2 1/2 yr. old toddler makes it pretty easy to call it homicide.

It is highly improbable...no, I will go ahead and say it is impossible...that Caylee accidently tore 3 pieces of duct tape ranging from 7 3/4" - 9" long and wrapped them around her face to block her own airwaves.

Someone else intentionally applied the tape to her face. Blocked her airwaves. She could not breathe. She suffocated. This means it was homicide. A crime. Not an accident.

you forgot to mention Caylee putting herself in garbage bags, going to the wooded area

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes but there was obvious neglect and obvious mental issues with the Mother...those alone would be grounds for an emergency custody hearing.

Surprisingly it isn't as long as the child appears well cared for.

I speak from experience.....

We (my brothers and sisters and I) were not apprehended until we showed very obvious signs of neglect. It took many visits by the police and the authorities to catch it.

 

[wandering]

Yes but there was obvious neglect and obvious mental issues with the Mother...those alone would be grounds for an emergency custody hearing.

Cindy would not want anyone to know that she has a sociopathic daughter. It reflects on HER.