2011.07.05 Sidebar Thread

[wandering]

:floorlaugh: too funny. Elderly people are the best. I live with my 86 year old grandma and the things she comes out with are so funny. She was telling my son things she did when she was younger and he was almost peeing his pants. They went to Amsterdam, my Grandad wanted to see the red light district, so they went, my son asked if they had any old women and she said to him your never to old to be a hooker.

lol, Benjamin Franklin said that body area was the last to go.
:great:

 

[Beyond Belief]

I saw my first gyn when i was 20 and 7 1/2 months pregnant. I don't tell anybody anything either.:floorlaugh:

 

[TiaM]

And therein lies a huge problem in our system. Just from observing this case one can easily see that there are a few "sacred cows" in the legal system that are probably overdue for re-examination by the states legislatures and governors.

1. The civil immunity granted to lawyers for things they say in court is currently extended far to broadly to the now almost constant detriment of normal everyday citizens. The lawyers now seem to be completely immune from repercussions regarding anything they say about anyone anywhere. Hence the new word in use "kronked". This really does need to be tightened up, or at the very least some bar regulations need to be actively and aggressively enforced. That immunity is a privelege granted to attorneys by the citizenry. If they cannot play nice with it, it should go away.

2. Change of Venue. This has become way to common. Far more that the system ever intended. We have bent over so far backwards in order to extend to the defendant every possible advantage (not right, advantage) in order to cancel some imaginary bias, that we have effectively stripped our citizenry and our communities of their rather clear and intended ability to deal with matters of justice in their community. This is wrong. The standard or bar for any change of venue must be raised tenfold. It should be reserved only for those rare cases where the system itself has come under attack. A good example of when to allow a change of venue would be the Atlanta Courthouse shootings. Where the local legal system was a direct element of the crime charged. Anything else should remain local. The simple act of media coverage should not strip a community of it's duly constitutionally granted powers to try its crimes.

3. Sequestered Juries. See above for Change of Venue. The state has no business essentially kidnapping and imprisoning citizens in this manner in order to fulfill its purpose. Sequestration should be an insanely high bar to reach. It should primarily only be used when there is a clear or suspected threat to the jury itself.

just my 2c.

Fantastic post! I agree with all of it - but I think the jury most definately needed to be sequestered in this case.

The DT and their apologists (employees), have shown that they will stop at nothing to taint a jury. From the extended media saturation in the month leading up to jury selection to the memory of the scorched earth campaign of the investigators harrassing and misrepresenting themselves to the TES searchers. I shudder to think what lengths they would have gone to to taint the jury if they had not been sequestered.

Heck, even with the jury sequestered, their "former DT members" and TH "fans" have blathered on and on every day just spewing blatant falsehoods and outright spin. For who? The general public? I don't think so - we don't count. To taint a juror's family IMO, who knows what might get whispered - or to get a headline that some jurors might inadvertantly see lying around.

I'm surprised they haven't hired the "JESUS SAVES" skywriter that's always over Disney to swing by the courthouse and write "CASEY IS INNOCENT".

They have shown no class or morals, so I think, in this case, sequestration was necessary.

 

[Amster]

One of the jurors dug in and wouldn't deliberate, so they sent her home and brought in an alternate. The verdict then was delivered in a couple of hours.

Is that when they brought in "Strawberry Shortcake"? All the talking heads were positive she was a defense side leaner....oooops....

 

[SillyJilly]

Please open the door when the folks from "intervention" come knocking and get on the bus with all you WS friends. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Add me to the list! On Sunday, I was at a cookout,sitting inside watching the closing arguments and texting nonstop with another friend about any info I might be missing. My DH's Aunt(her house) sat me down and said "Honey, I'm worried about you. This isn't healthy behavior!" I told her once the case was over I would be back to normal...


Had to take DS to the Dr this morning and was on edge that I might miss something. Thankfully,the nurses were also watching closely and had it on!

 

[Sleuthster]

I didn't get a pap & pelvic until I was over 20 and went by myself. And I've always had them done by the regular doc, not a gyno. (Am I weird? LOL!)

My dd's have been going to the gyno since they where about 17 for bc. Couldnt condone that so they went with out telling me at first until I started geting the eob's in the mail lol. I dont go with them but they tell me now (plus I pay their copays). I usually go the the family doctor (a woman) so your not weird.

 

[Themis]

Why didn't the state call her? The jury needed to know this info but my guess is they were worried she's also very pro-ICA..It still would've been worth the risk tho. imho

Maybe she wouldn't repeat it the same way under oath? She may have described it differently later? We don't know.

 

[wandering]

I wonder if it it occurs to JB and Kid Rock know that people don't dress leopard print hats, wear faux fur jackets while riding a Harley, wanna live like Larry F, or that other than "Deadwood" they are not exactly the kind that becomes a pimp, a rap star or a slimy lawyer who does not how to dress himself.

Maybe its different in Florida and Detroit?:waitasec:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glb2U6y-GdU&feature=fvwrel

partial lyrics:


Well I'm packing up my game and I'm a head out west
Where real women come equipped with scripts and fake breasts
Find a nest in the hills chill like Flynt
Buy an old drop top find a spot to pimp
And I'm a Kid Rock it up and down your block
With a bottle of scotch and watch lots of crotch
Buy a yacht with a flag sayin' chilling the most
Then rock that ***** up and down the coast
Give a toast to the sun, drink with the stars
Get thrown in the mix and tossed out of bars
Then to Tijuana... I wanna roam
Find Motown and tell them fools to come back home
Start an escort service, for all the right reasons
And set up shop at the top of four seasons
Kid Rock and I'm the real McCoy
And I'm headin' out west sucker...because I wanna be a cowboy baby....

I pisses me off to no end that people compare Kid Rock to Johnny Cash.

Everybody doesn't have to live by other people's dictates.

 

[cluciano63]

I just texted this number in "43886" with casey in the message and I got a confirmation back lickety split. ??? Worth a try.

I did it 3 times, no replies...

 

[saba]

I think the insinuation is that CA and ICA were both alike in that they were both molested by their fathers and both had female "GYN issues" because of it. Further, the suggestion is that any nurse or child abuse expert would easily make that connection by what CA said on the stand about she and ICA being "alike".

I find that suggestion ridiculous myself, but I think that's what's being inferred.

Thanks! The original post talks about how he *slid IT in*. This RUMOR has been sitting on the couch beside me while I mull the fact that my fellow wsers are wonderful people and I have a filthy mind.

 

[CatsAway]

Add me to the list! On Sunday, I was at a cookout,sitting inside watching the closing arguments and texting nonstop with another friend about any info I might be missing. My DH's Aunt(her house) sat me down and said "Honey, I'm worried about you. This isn't healthy behavior!" I told her once the case was over I would be back to normal...


Had to take DS to the Dr this morning and was on edge that I might miss something. Thankfully,the nurses were also watching closely and had it on!

Lol. My immediate thought was "Why would she be taking Dorothy SIms to the doctor?"

 

[burbqueen]

No; I don't think that's amoral at all. I think sleazy tactics such as blame the victim and ruining bystanders who are not on trial, is amoral.

It almost sounds like to be a "really good" defense lawyer, you have to be a sociopath. I don't believe that. At least, I don't want to.

Not a sociopath at all. You just have to be objective. I spent 2 years in law school and wanted to be a defense attorney, but corp law. I dont see anything amoral about that they do. I find it interesting that they can seperate the emotional from the rational. There use to be a Defense lawyer on websleuths and he explained that he believes in the system and the law to the utmost. I admire that. Plus im extremely competitive and not emotional compared to most women I know. I like to analyze and see things from every angle. I try to be objective.

What if the so called victim accusing your client of rape is a liar. It happened with the Duke case. The defense team brought up everthing they could about the so called victims to discredit them as con artist and liars. So you see it works both ways. Not all defendants are guilty and not all victims are innocent. In this case Casey is guitly as sin BTW!

There are always people out there that do the hard jobs. It's easy to be the hero. I use to work in bank forclosures. People would ask, How can you kick people out of their houses. Oh well, it's my job. Nothing personal. Someone has to do it.

And Florida Native I didnt say you had to like how the system is. My point is that the system to me isnt something that isnt an emotional place point for me. That is my opinion, sheesh...

I guess as a websleuther I expected more objectivity, rhetoric and discussion or openess and not so much torch waving. But I'm a big girl I can take it!

 

[technicalconfusion]

I just found this: Casey having sex in jail? Your thoughts?

http://www.cityjournalistdirectory.com/event/how_much_sex_is_casey_anthony_having_in_prison_14577/

Never take seriously an article that comes from a site that provides no mailing address.

That site is a content dump. Nothing more.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I think the insinuation is that CA and ICA were both alike in that they were both molested by their fathers and both had female "GYN issues" because of it. Further, the suggestion is that any nurse or child abuse expert would easily make that connection by what CA said on the stand about she and ICA being "alike".

I find that suggestion ridiculous myself, but I think that's what's being inferred.

ITA - ridiculous. But not to bash the OP. I think Cindy could have meant "we are alike in that we had irregular periods, etc., cramping, bloating" Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Tipstaff]

JB's speculation about ICA and her 'female issues' was part of his spaghetti defense. Can anyone imagine CA missing anything in regard to ICA? She, CA, controlled the A house.

CA has closed ranks on informaiton she doesn't want out in the public (the Father's Day evening fight for example). IMO CA knew when ICA had her period and probably had a special calendar. JB's spaghetti defense is very very messy with a lot of misinformaiton. JMO

 

[dunlurken]

My mailman has taken to leaving a plastic bag for me in my mailbox. I suppose he thinks it will make it easier to carry all the mail :floorlaugh:

I have bills that need to be paid. I might miss the verdict. Creditors can wait.

 

[nursebeeme]

announcements on wesh

saying media needs credentials.... no more available

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

WESH has court person explaining procedure to press pool

 

[Beyond Belief]

understand what goes on with the jury announcesment

 

[wandering]

I just found this: Casey having sex in jail? Your thoughts?

http://www.cityjournalistdirectory.com/event/how_much_sex_is_casey_anthony_having_in_prison_14577/

Well, if she is, it must be someone in the courtroom. She isn't altering her clothes for us.