2011.07.11 Greta Van Sustern interview with Jury Foreperson

[lauriej]

..the jury totally missed this, while trying to figure out just what it was they were supposed to be doing..

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/
----Jury Instructions---Casey Anthony trial---

Members of the jury, I thank you for your attention during this trial.
Please pay attention to the instructions I am about to give you.

RULES FOR DELIBERATION

2. This case must be decided only upon the evidence that you have heard from the testimony of the witnesses and have seen in the form of the exhibits in evidence and these instructions.

 

[Sustained]

I truly believe it is irresponsible to call any of those jurors murderers.

Agreed, I just call them irresponsible. Irresponsiible because of their statements to the media and general misunderstandings regarding :

1) Requiring motive and COD as requirements for a guilty verdict;
2) Not understanding that inferences are required with circumstantial evidence;
3) Deliberating for only 10 hours (clock time minus lunches, breaks, etc) in a case with testimony that took 6+ weeks and #11 took 400 pages of notes on; there is no way they could have reviewed all of the evidence in that time.
4) Letting emotion into their decision, i.e. being upset with the State because they didn't say "Good Morning" like JB;
5) Letting JB's opening statement influence their decision when opening statements are not evidence;
6) Chastising JA's smirk. but ignoring JB's "cut the cheese" comment or the DT's many courtroom violations;
7) Not knowing that the punishment is NOT to be considered when rendering a verdict;

Juror #11 is irresponsible by himself from the comment that he was stunned by the lack of evidence presented by the State. 3+ weeks of testimony with scores of circumstantial evidence and he was "stunned". I think he was expecting a video by the State of ICA chloroforming Caylee, taping her mouth and dumping her in the woods.

 

[gladiatorqueen]

Now that is a stretch......are you by chance a member of the defense team or a juror?

Are you kidding me? LOL. To quote George: "That's funny." I'm from Canada and I've been to Florida once in my life, so nada.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

You must have missed the post that said Caylee was murdered first by her mother and a second time by the Jury.

opinions=azzholes
everybody's got em
some opinions are right

 

[Solange82200]

It tells me that this guy had an agenda, that he knew his vote going in and wanted to "out" anyone who didn't agree. He denigrates those who disagreed even though their focus was on the actual evidence, chloroform and duct tape. He says that was their focus but then suggests emotion may have played into it...into the duct tape and chloroform? No, <expletive deleted> that was what you were supposed to focus on instead of speculating about george and ignorng casey's behavior during the 31 days for some reason only you apparently understand. her behavior was an essential element of this case and yet you said it had to be ignored. A teacher gives a pre-test so they know what they still need ot teach. This guy took a pre-vote so he would know who he had to "teach" i.e. strong arm into agreeing. There is something very strange and disturbing about all this...

How funny to me, this new rule that any actions taken after the death of the victim cannot be taken into consideration... Scott Peterson trying to flee to Mexico with blond hair means nothing people!!!!! It does not equal guilt, we cannot count what happened after the murder!!! Stop being so darn EMOTIONAL!!! Ugh, be more like meee, strong unemotional alphamale gym teacher!!!

 

[bonniez451]

I don't think anyone was mocking his job.It was his statement about being good at reading people in reference to his job. Kind of overstating his job description .He also clearly is very impressed with himself. I find that unattractive.

Also, as some nurses on the board about the nursing student the very first thing you're taught is observation skills and cannot blame them some of their concerns if she finishes school and is hired by some hospital.

 

[mikeysmommom]

You must have missed the post that said Caylee was murdered first by her mother and a second time by the Jury.

That is how I feel, maybe I should have said it was as if she was murdered a second time to me.When I heard the verdict I was upset,since hearing from the jurors I am devastated.There was more then enough evidence if they would have understood the judges instructions.IMO Caylee was tossed away like garbage a second time.We all have a right to have an opinion. I hope the money they make, trips and their 15 minutes of fame is worth it to them in the long run.

 

[manatee]

Inside edition just said that woman who says her son is Caylee's dad,hired John Q kelly to sue ICA or wrongful death. I hope she is Caylee's paternal grandmother.

OmG! :rocker:

 

[cuppy199]

The more I hear from these jurors the more I think of the twilight zone. They keep contradicting themselves:twocents:

 

[cuppy199]

How funny to me, this new rule that any actions taken after the death of the victim cannot be taken into consideration... Scott Peterson trying to flee to Mexico with blond hair means nothing people!!!!! It does not equal guilt, we cannot count what happened after the murder!!! Stop being so darn EMOTIONAL!!! Ugh, be more like meee, strong unemotional alphamale gym teacher!!!

Makes me kinda curious what his FBI brother thinks of what he is saying :waitasec:

 

[whiterum]

You must have missed the post that said Caylee was murdered first by her mother and a second time by the Jury.

It is obvious that this was a figure of speech since no-one can be murdered twice. The meaning is clear to me, that the Jury did not give little Caylee the Justice she deserved by ignoring the indisputable evidence and allowing her killer to walk free.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I'm not sure I read where anyone on this board called any of the Jurors "murderers". We all know they are not.

You must have missed the post that said Caylee was murdered first by her mother and a second time by the Jury.

Mere hyperbole used to express the poster's disappointment/disdain. Assigning a literal translation to hyperbole causes people to draw irresponsible conclusions.

 

[Schu7]

Inside edition just said that woman who says her son is Caylee's dad,hired John Q kelly to sue ICA or wrongful death. I hope she is Caylee's paternal grandmother.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/caylee-anthony-possible-grandmother-hires-oj-lawyer-wrongful-death-lawsuit

Please may it be so!!!

 

[SyraKelly]

I thought this comment was quite telling: "The high school gym teacher in his 30s went on a national show asking not to be shown or identified. He is now declining any more interviews.

The foreman said he "wants to get his life in order" before talking to anyone else. He said he never imagined he would need to hide out."

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...thony-case-concerned-for-their-safety?cid=rss

ETA: Perhaps he should have gotten it in order before he talked to GVS!!

I think he realized people are saying..What are you talking about?

 

[denjet]

guys I dont find her in the database anymore. I think shes gone

Looks like she's out ! She's not showing at Orange County Jail anymore !

 

[Boodles]

The foreman keeps talking about the "gray areas" - mercy, they are supposed to use their brains to deduce or infer from the evidence! Did they need black and white? Could they even recognize it? He said "we were asked to indict (convict) on cause of death." HUH? I am gobsmacked. And he thought the "defense team was professional." ???

I guess they don't have enough "gray matter" to be able to do that.

What is his dialect? Philadelphia? Baltimore?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I think he realized people are saying..What are you talking about?

I'm saying maybe he should have thought about it first, before he spoke.

 

[SATA]

It is written in the jury instructions that they are NOT to take their like or dislike for any of the attorneys into account.

And most of us have no problem with their attempt at 'reading' people---but they did nothing to try and comprehend the forensic evidence or the witness testimony. They wrote it all off as 'confusing.' They even said the pool story was simpler to understand.

IMO, if something is 'confusing' then you research it further. Did they look deeper into what was confusing? NO, they shrugged their shoulders and decided GEORGE DID IT.

I would have no problem with the short amount of time if they hadn't said how confusing the states case was. That just tells me they shirked their duties. If something confuses you then ASK QUESTIONS.
Geeezzzzzzzzzzzz.

Exactly. I find it reprehensible that they find the evidence hard to understand, yet they ask 0 questions during deliberations. Isn´t it their duty to at least TRY to understand?
This jury was a disaster, pure and simple.

 

[kelian36]

It is written in the jury instructions that they are NOT to take their like or dislike for any of the attorneys into account.

And most of us have no problem with their attempt at 'reading' people---but they did nothing to try and comprehend the forensic evidence or the witness testimony. They wrote it all off as 'confusing.' They even said the pool story was simpler to understand.

IMO, if something is 'confusing' then you research it further. Did they look deeper into what was confusing? NO, they shrugged their shoulders and decided GEORGE DID IT.

I would have no problem with the short amount of time if they hadn't said how confusing the states case was. That just tells me they shirked their duties. If something confuses you then ASK QUESTIONS.
Geeezzzzzzzzzzzz.

:rocker: Thank you katydid you rock.
I had the opportunity to ask a paralegal friend about exactly that. The juror who was on the NBC special specifically said he liked Baez's style. Really? Is that something to be considered in a 2 year old child's murder? NOPE. it's not.


I also asked about the OS by the DT. I mentioned here the other day that OS's was not to be used during deliberation. Someone quickly told me I was wrong. Well she/he was wrong. :fence:

Judge Perry said-several times-that OS were not to be used during verdict time... The paralegal friend said the same thing.

This bunch of jurors likely imo used Baez's ridiculous actions in court and the opening statement of the defense to let a child murderer walk. I'm still not over it. :banghead:

 

[mikeysmommom]

I recall the judge giving the jury specific instructions on how they SHOULD not take River CRUz's statement as evidence of CASEY's guilt or innocense and should only use it to determine if GA was lying about the affair.

This jury did not follow any of the judge's instructions and I bet they didn't even realize that the abuse never came up again at closing nor did they realized they were never given a time for the drowning or the entire story. If I were a juror I would have said we don't have any information about the drowning at all and we do not have any evidence that George was involved.

This jury was not able to understand anything of value. They should have thought deeply before turning a verdict over for that they need to be blamed.

He bumbled what time she supposedly drowned FGS In the morning,afternoon,no wait it was morning!!!!Then in closing he says we will never know when,how Caylee died WTH This is who they believed? JB said the truth stops here!only truthful thing he said during the trial, and that my client is a big fat liar!!!!!