2011.08.05 Hearing on Casey's probation

[ZsaZsa]

I don't think the public knows the address of every person who has been convicted of fraud-related felonies, or other non-violent crimes. It would be a long list, I imagine. Like it or not, Casey can't be treated by the law as a RSO or a recently-freed murderer.

RH says that in Florida, the location/address of a felon is public information.
Whether that has to do with their sunshine laws, I don't know, but that's the way it is now for every felon, with the exception of ICA of course. She wants privacy for some vague undocumented threat to her safety...

 

[yolorado]

The Convicted Felon had a right to a speedy trial. She and her DT chose not to take that right and to let this drag on for nearly THREE YEARS!

KC never told the state is was an accident, did she? The DT didn't tell the Anthonys until about 6 weeks before trial. The state has no obligation to prove something was an accident when the perp keeps telling them it wasn't. The perp needs to bring that info into the equation. No- she lied, sent people on wild-goose chases. She inferred other people might be involved, tried to get people in trouble. (Much like she did at trial with her father....) At trial Baez said she knew all along in opening (until he said in closing that we may never know what happened.) If she did know that it was an accident, why did she allow exs and friends to be put under suspicion. What kind of person does that? How about a guilty person trying to throw suspicion away from themselves!

 

[ZsaZsa]

The Convicted Felon had a right to a speedy trial. She and her DT chose not to take that right and to let this drag on for nearly THREE YEARS!

She could have avoided all of it had there been any truth to the drowning story- YM gave her ample time and opportunities to reconsider her statements. Big problem though - if she had admitted to some accident they could have retrieved Caylee then and a lot more evidence, most likely pointing to her exact cause of death.
She trapped herself because she could NOT let them find her....

 

[Italy]

RH says that in Florida, the location/address of a felon is public information.
Whether that has to do with their sunshine laws, I don't know, but that's the way it is now for every felon, with the exception of ICA of course. She wants privacy for some vague undocumented threat to her safety...

I say pose naked for Hustler, collect $500,000 and pay for your own bodyguards. Since Larry Flynt successfully appealed his conviction on obscenity charges, there is no issue of associating with criminals. Probation should be no problem.

 

[lauriej]

No, see now that she is done with the Murder/DP case she can only use them if she or someone else pays for them. She is claiming indigent on her appeals and HHJP already told Baez and team that they may not continue to represent her. She, just like any other indigent can now either represent herself or have a court appointed attorney. The only way she can have a high priced "legal eagle" is if she hires and pays for that person.

..judgeP asked at the sentencing hearing if she had "the financial where-with-all" to pay for appelate counsel--( baez: "no".)--and to file the appropriate docs for indigency , appeal, insolvency .

( all of which lisabeth fryer filed the same day).

..she's under no obligation to use a court appointed lawyer, the Court is obligated to give her one if she's indigent .

..she can hire whoever she wants for a lawyer ,he/she/they just won't get paid ,only legit costs will be covered by the JAC.

..as with the criminal case, they can do it pro-bono.

..i think that it will be cheney/lisabeth fryer that are going to be handling the appeal. i doubt that the DT vultures would let anyone else get any publicity --or get their hands on--their (hopefully someday) cash cow.

 

[laurvelous]

That may be true but once JB got that letter in either Feb or March of 2011, releasing her from DOC supervision, he knew. That was many months before the trial ended and her sentence, with time served including the year supposedly spent on probation, was announced by HHJP.

She & her DT knew.

I agree that DT knew, I was responding to a post claiming that the state had to know too bc they had access to all her mail/visitors logs. I was just clarifying that this didn't necessarily mean they knew bc her PO visited her once in jail.

 

[logicalgirl]

I say pose naked for Hustler, collect $500,000 and pay for your own bodyguards. Since Larry Flynt successfully appealed his conviction on obscenity charges, there is no issue of associating with criminals. Probation should be no problem.

OMG I've got to quit speed reading! I thought you said YOU were going to pose naked for Hustler! .... hwow: Whaaaaat? :hot: Oh...:giggle:

Transposed "I say" for "say I" - darned dyslexia can be annoying but keeps me giggling sometimes....:lol:

 

[logicalgirl]

I agree that DT knew, I was responding to a post claiming that the state had to know too bc they had access to all her mail/visitors logs. I was just clarifying that this didn't necessarily mean they knew bc her PO visited her once in jail.

Yes, to me it would be perfectly "Logical" that the Probation folks visit her once to discuss her parole and how it would work once she was released....

 

[Italy]

This is funny - I checked out Twitter Search - Casey Anthony. Someone posted a comparison picture between Casey Anthony and Kreayshawn. They really do look alike.

Maybe the picture the Defense Team is showing Judge Perry to validate all these threats is really Kreayshawn.

 

[Robinez]

If were going by "technicalities" on errors made by the State, this letter is null and void IMO. The defense likes using "technical errors" when it works to their advantage. If they really wanted to, couldn't they claim that this letter is not addressed to the proper person, thereby extending her time to be on probation right up to the day she was released?

The letter also stated that she was no longer under the control of the Dept. Of Corrections. We all know that she was indeed still under the supervision of the DOC. From the wrong sir name to the last word written, that letter isn't worth the paper it was printed on.

TC, Robin

 

[lauriej]

Sure, they knew her probation officer visited her once but how were they to know that meant she was serving it in jail? Now if her PO visited once a month I could agree that they "had to know" but they may have just assumes her PO came to meet with her once to explain the terms of her probation ONCE SHE WAS RELEASED. They had no way of knowing she was checking the jail database every month and ticking it off their list.

That may be true but once JB got that letter in either Feb or March of 2011, releasing her from DOC supervision, he knew. That was many months before the trial ended and her sentence, with time served including the year supposedly spent on probation, was announced by HHJP.

She & her DT knew.

..following the check trial jan.25/2010, baez visited her in jail on the 28th from 9:10-10:45 p.m. and again on the 31st from 4:14-5:28 p.m.

..her probation officer, natalie lewis visited her in jail feb.2/2010 from 9:23-10:13 a.m. and explained the terms of her probation.

..baez was there the following day, feb.3rd, from 6:46-7:40 p.m.

..i find it hard to believe that the visit from the probation officer---and what was discussed----- the day before didn't come up.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28575199/detail.html
-----casey anthony jail visitor log-----

 

[vlpate]

The entire Anthony trial generated way more income for Orange County and Orlando than it cost the taxpayers. The media exposure alone was worth millions to the tourism for the area. Furthermore the reality of the situation is the trial is making Orlando lots of money. Over 300 news outlets are camped out in the downtown area filling high end hotel rooms and eating at expensive restaurants. That doesn't count those who visited downtown to get a sneak peak at the trial action. It's like being the city hosting the Superbowl 75 days in a row.


http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/entrepreneurs/2011/06/24/cashing-in-on-casey-anthony-trial/

Except the Superbowl didn't COST the tax payers money prior to making hotels and restaurants money. I hardly see the connection.

 

[JBean]

The letter also stated that she was no longer under the control of the Dept. Of Corrections. We all know that she was indeed still under the supervision of the DOC. From the wrong sir name to the last word written, that letter isn't worth the paper it was printed on.

TC, Robin

well not "all' of us.
I am not certain that she was under the supervision of the DOC at the time of that letter.

ETA: as a matter of fact IIRC she was not in the DOC database, but she was in the OCJ database.

 

[Searchfortruth]

..he wouldn't be changing his sentence at all--that would stand.

..1 year per count, to be served consecutively, plus $1000 per count plus court costs.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28478118/detail.html
---------Judge Perry sentence---casey anthony---

Case Fine--$4000.00 CCA--$200.00 Court Costs---$5.00 CCF--$50.00 LGCJTF--$225.00
TEENCT--$3.00 CRMESTPPR--$20.00 CRIMEPREVNTN--$50.00 CRIMINAL ORDINANCE FEE--$65.00
TOTAL---$4618.00

---Failure to pay financial obligations will result in the suspension of your driving privileges.

..what is at issue is the 'time served' she was credited--and whether or not that was a miscalculation by the OCJail , i don't see why if that was simple 'human error' that it couldn't be amended now.

Right, I used the wrong wording when I said that he couldn't correct her sentence. The issue is time served, because he gave her the 412 days toward her Lying convictions, he didn't have to. From what I understand, he can't take that back now.

“The Courts have repeatedly held that a trial court may not rescind jail credit that was previously awarded, even if the initial award was improper, because such an action violates double jeopardy.”

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=929741632700972182

 

[rotterdam]

AGAIN - :banghead::banghead::banghead:. the penalty for the most severe charge out of a choice of three charges was Death OR LWOP...

I think the jury, who was apparently unable to comprehend the jury instructions, was blind sighted by the DP. DP , somehow in their simple minds, escalated the reasonable doubt to a higher bar.
DP is getting less acceptance/unpopular by the average person unless you have a serial killer and/or pedophile cruel child murder. They do not want to be responsible for another person's death, even though it is the Judge who ultimately decides on death or LWOP. JMO.

 

[JBean]

IMO, since she had "completed" her sentence for the check fraud, she was in county jail pending trial. This would put her under the supervision of the OCJ, not the DOC.

Here we go:

About the Florida Department of Corrections

The Florida Department of Corrections (DC) is the third largest state prison system in the country with a budget of $2.4 billion, just over 102,000 inmates incarcerated and another 115,000 offenders on active community supervision.

The DC has 146 facilities statewide, including 62 prisons, 46 work/forestry camps, one treatment center, 33 work release centers and five road prisons. About three quarters of its staff of more than 27,000 employees are either certified correctional officers or probation officers. The average DC employee is 41 years old and has been with the agency for almost nine years. There were no prison escapes from a major prison last fiscal year.


Corrections staff span many occupations.
Prisons are generally managed by state government, but Florida does have six privately run prisons. Florida’s jails, generally, are run by individual counties. The main difference between jails and prisons is that jail inmates may be awaiting sentencing, and prison inmates have already been convicted and sentenced. Also, jail inmates usually are sentenced to a year or less, and for a lower level crime such as a misdemeanor, whereas prison inmates usually have sentences of more than
more at link:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/about.html

 

[rotterdam]

Yes, to me it would be perfectly "Logical" that the Probation folks visit her once to discuss her parole and how it would work once she was released....

I think that Baez knew from day one that probation had started right after the sentence for the check fraud conviction.

 

[rossva]

You couldn't be more wrong there if you wanted to be. Who do you think pays for the billion dollar stadiums? Tax payers. Nationally, subsidies to professional sports facilities are costing taxpayers approximately $500 million a year.

Every year, millions of taxpayer dollars are poured into stadiums, hockey rinks, baseball parks, and other arenas in order to attract and retain professional sports teams in big cities. Often the money is spent by the cities after a team "threatens" to leave the city.


http://www.bolender.com/Dr. Ron/SOC...Unit 13 Urban Life/Sports Stadium Madness.htm

http://www.akdart.com/sports.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704461304576216330349497852.html

Except the Superbowl didn't COST the tax payers money prior to making hotels and restaurants money. I hardly see the connection.

 

[rotterdam]

Right, I used the wrong wording when I said that he couldn't correct her sentence. The issue is time served, because he gave her the 412 days toward her Lying convictions, he didn't have to. From what I understand, he can't take that back now.

“The Courts have repeatedly held that a trial court may not rescind jail credit that was previously awarded, even if the initial award was improper, because such an action violates double jeopardy.”

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=929741632700972182

Thank you for that post. There was no clerical error , as opposed to the probation fiasco. The calculation by DOC that utilized that 1043 day credit as ordered by the Court towards the lying conviction sentence will stand. Unless somebody will legally declare Judge Perry incompetent/insane when he rendered that order.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Thank you for that post. There was no clerical error , as opposed to the probation fiasco. The calculation by DOC that utilized that 1043 day credit as ordered by the Court towards the lying conviction sentence will stand. Unless somebody will legally declare Judge Perry incompetent/insane when he rendered that order.

Now that's a thought ! Seriously though, it sounded good when he handed down the 4 year sentence, because it was the max she could receive...but, the 412 days he gave her seemed, to me, to be a secret parting gift.