2015.07.06 SMS confirms that CWW was a POI as early as July 6th

[FelicityLemon]

BBM

I can imagine MS being able to handle CWW being at the funeral. When the stakes are this high, you do what needs to be done, even if it goes against everything you want to do.

Here's a less serious example. I'm not a particularly calm or brave person. But years ago when our home was burglarized and I suspected who did it, I arranged to visit the suspect's home (they didn't know me). I sat calmly with a friend and had coffee with these people, even though I could see my stolen property set up in the living room. When I got home, I called LE. It got even scarier after that when I had to return to their home with LE, but I didn't fall apart until they were arrested. I'm nothing special, and I think almost anyone can rise to an occasion like this, stay focused, stifle their emotions and get the job done. You just go on autopilot. Prayer helps too!

Go Lilibet! Yikes and Wow! Didja have to try to control any jelly legs? I imagine my kneecaps going up and down while in their presence :/ I'd be terrified, furious, and exhilarated at the same time. What a sense of accomplishment when all was done, yes?

Hugging Lilibet - soo impressed!

 

[FelicityLemon]

Wow… interesting and frightening experience!
I completely agree with “MS being able to handle CWW being at the funeral“ even if MS was suspicious of CWW at that time.
I think profound grief and absolute shock initially dominate other feelings, to the point of creating some numbness to other feelings like anger and rage.

And I would still want to believe that my very good friend had nothing to do with it even knowing what I knew Your best best friend, your wife was brutally murdered it would be natural to get support from your second best friend, impossible situation.

 

[human]

CWW must have made it home from the killing hours before he would have to fly back to Florida. I wonder where he told his wife he was going

 

[human]

How long did MS stay in CT?

By the 1st CWW is in Florida for crocodile tears?

 

[beach]

Could be MS had immediate suspicions about CWW and MS alerted LE.

I understand why you and many others are thinking along these lines. It's the obvious leap.

I don't know though. A lot of it just doesn't add up to me.

For example:

1) First and foremost, if Mark tipped LE off to CWW, I believe they would not only would have publicly cleared him completely a long, long time ago, but never even hinted that he was in any envelope of suspicion at any time during this investigation. It simply doesn't get any better than that for LE - the husband giving them the name of the perp who was eventually charged. IMO, LE would been very vocal from the start clearing Mark so that he wouldn't have to undergo such public scrutiny and he and the girls could move on trying to rebuild their lives without all the intrusions they have had to endure.

2) Mark was in CT when this happened. CWW was supposed to be in MO. Why would he suspect his BFF? Are we to believe that CWW called him and confessed?

3) LE secured that house early the morning of the 29th and it stayed secured for several days. They processed the crime scene and no one was permitted entry. I tend to believe either something they obtained from the scene (video, fingerprints, DNA, evidence left behind from the killer, etc..) was their jumping off point. I have no clue but just for example: suppose they found a Walmart receipt and noticed the date was 6/28. LE would know none of the Sievers went to the Walmart in Ft. Myers on 6/28 because they were in CT. So, LE goes to the Ft. Myers Walmart and has them pull the surveillance tapes so they can review. It could be anything, just a quick example off the top of my head of how I believe LE could have ID'd JR and CWW.

4) Another thing, if MS would tell LE of his suspicions re. CWW, why on God's earth would he not tell Teresa's own family? I do not mean BEFORE TS's funeral, because of course it would be too risky. But, for goodness sakes, he could have told them after they returned to CT. And most certainly should have called them immediately AFTER the arrests were made and attempted to answer any and all questions they would have.

 

[beach]

How long did MS stay in CT?

By the 1st CWW is in Florida for crocodile tears?

He arrived back in Florida late in the afternoon on the 29th.

(However, he was not permitted entry to his home as it was sealed by LE.)

 

[flgrl017]

Maybe they looked at facebook friends and friends of friends. Jr's page had some very suspicious stuff posted on it.

I bet it was traffic cameras though.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Maybe the Walmart receipt fell out when they were putting on or taking off the bloody jumper. Us guys usually stuff the receipts in our pocket sometime.

There wouldn't be too many other reasons on why they found footage at the correct Walmart. Unless jr gf told them she found a receipt. Idk

 

[DexterMorgan]

Ms alibi was so tight that they most likely went straight to thinking that it was a hired hit. So then they screened his phone records to see multiple calls with CWW who lives in MO but realize his phone was pinging in Florida. Idk. It's just a possible thought on why CWW was a poi so quickly.

 

[noel leon]

Jeez Beach I was starting to have hope for the girls but now no...dang it. I agree that it is logical to deduce that something pointing to Walmart, left at scene , and on that date lead LE to check surveillance.

 

[Lilibet]

Go Lilibet! Yikes and Wow! Didja have to try to control any jelly legs? I imagine my kneecaps going up and down while in their presence :/ I'd be terrified, furious, and exhilarated at the same time. What a sense of accomplishment when all was done, yes?

Hugging Lilibet - soo impressed!

LOL! Thanks FL. Yes to all of the above emotions. It would have felt like more of an accomplishment if they hadn't been able to plea down to no jail time. But a lot of people got their stolen property returned eventually, so it felt good. And my main point is that almost anyone can hold it together to do more than they expect they can...if they remember what is at stake. So, IF MS was the one to tip off LE about CWW, or just suspected him, he could have managed to stay calm at the funeral. JMO

And I would still want to believe that my very good friend had nothing to do with it even knowing what I knew Your best best friend, your wife was brutally murdered it would be natural to get support from your second best friend, impossible situation.

Yes to this. Denial is a protection from awful stuff. Support from CWW would be welcome. The thing is though, we don't know if MS suspected CWW and tipped off LE. We don't know if he knew before the funeral that LE had CWW in their cross-hairs. We don't know if MS is innocent, complicit in the murder or simply guilty of other stuff. IF he is innocent and did not suspect CWW, everything would be normal with CWW at the funeral and CWW would be the one putting on the act (like Jodi Arias). In any other scenario, they were both putting on an act, MS either with good or bad motive. JMO

 

[PeskySlueth]

The Sheriff sure did mention examining 'the business model' a lot. i bet it was the most convoluted thing they had ever tried to untangle! I bet that was a 'message' to MS also - that they're on to it.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

bbm Law enforcement can get the results of your DNA faster than they can check car rentals in 2 states, interview witnesses or 1200 miles of traffic cams. Crime Scene Evidence...had to be the give away. SMS said, "WE DROVE THE EVIDENCE TO THE LAB" and here are the rest of my reasons:

SMS said, "We drove the evidence directly to the lab." (paraphrased, ok?) There are 200 locations that are FBI approved for this process. RAPID DNA testing!
The FBI initially established a Rapid DNA initiative in 2006 and partnered in 2008 with the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security on the development of point-of-collection DNA analysis for the production of CODIS DNA profiles (containing the 13 CODIS Core Loci) within a two-hour period.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/fbis-plans-for-the-use-of-rapid-dna-technology-in-codis
MISSOURI participates in "DNA identification" not only for felons, but also for a multitude of ARRESTS
http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/CLD/DNAProfiling/DNAProfiling.html
I found 4 labs in Florida alone...including one in Havana, Fl (I am SoCal) and not really aware of the quickest/closest lab. I think these two towns might be close,removed addresses & contact info,
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Orlando Regional Crime Laboratory • ALI-151-T

Disciplines
Drug Chemistry
Toxicology
Trace Evidence
Biology
Firearms Toolmarks
Latent Prints

Orlando, FL 32801 USA
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Fort Myers Regional Crime Laboratory • ALI-152-T

Disciplines
Drug Chemistry
Biology
Latent Prints
Crime Scene

Fort Myers, FL 33907 USA

SMS said there are pieces of evidence they are still processing. I still can't figure out what type of evidence would take 3 months to process, unless it was more recently acquired. LE drove CS evidence to the east coast of Florida, just a couple of hours away. I think they were onto the digital footprint very quickly as well, specifically call records, texts and emails.)

 

[SeesSeas]

SMS said there are pieces of evidence they are still processing. I still can't figure out what type of evidence would take 3 months to process, unless it was more recently acquired. LE drove CS evidence to the east coast of Florida, just a couple of hours away. I think they were onto the digital footprint very quickly as well, specifically call records, texts and emails.)

Re: “SMS said there are pieces of evidence they are still processing. I still can't figure out what type of evidence would take 3 months to process, unless it was more recently acquired. “

http://www.tampabay.com/news/fundin...-crime-labs-aging-patrol-vehicles-and/2245192

St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar said in his 34 years in law enforcement he never thought he'd be recruiting microbiologists. But to deal with the state's crime lab issues, he's hiring his own analysts to process evidence and shipping other samples to private labs.

The biggest problem for local law enforcement is the state's slowing turnaround on crime lab samples needed to help solve cases. In 2012, FDLE told Gov. Rick Scott and the Florida Cabinet that labs were taking on average 22 days to process chemistry evidence requests, 43 days to clear requests for latent finger prints, and 48 days to complete computer evidence submissions. All three areas now take at least twice as long to process.

Other needs, like processing DNA has jumped from a 74-day wait to 85 days and finishing a request on trace evidence from a crime scene has gone from taking 131 days on average to 176 days.

Delays have increasingly pushed counties to rely more on private labs to process DNA and other evidence. FDLE labs are free to counties to process evidence, while private labs can cost thousands of dollars per sample depending on the timing and complexity. Five counties, including Broward, Miami-Dade and Pinellas, have funded their own crime labs to avoid using FDLE entirely.

 

[Timekeeper65]

I understand why you and many others are thinking along these lines. It's the obvious leap.

I don't know though. A lot of it just doesn't add up to me.

For example:

1) First and foremost, if Mark tipped LE off to CWW, I believe they would not only would have publicly cleared him completely a long, long time ago, but never even hinted that he was in any envelope of suspicion at any time during this investigation. It simply doesn't get any better than that for LE - the husband giving them the name of the perp who was eventually charged. IMO, LE would been very vocal from the start clearing Mark so that he wouldn't have to undergo such public scrutiny and he and the girls could move on trying to rebuild their lives without all the intrusions they have had to endure.

2) Mark was in CT when this happened. CWW was supposed to be in MO. Why would he suspect his BFF? Are we to believe that CWW called him and confessed?

3) LE secured that house early the morning of the 29th and it stayed secured for several days. They processed the crime scene and no one was permitted entry. I tend to believe either something they obtained from the scene (video, fingerprints, DNA, evidence left behind from the killer, etc..) was their jumping off point. I have no clue but just for example: suppose they found a Walmart receipt and noticed the date was 6/28. LE would know none of the Sievers went to the Walmart in Ft. Myers on 6/28 because they were in CT. So, LE goes to the Ft. Myers Walmart and has them pull the surveillance tapes so they can review. It could be anything, just a quick example off the top of my head of how I believe LE could have ID'd JR and CWW.

4) Another thing, if MS would tell LE of his suspicions re. CWW, why on God's earth would he not tell Teresa's own family? I do not mean BEFORE TS's funeral, because of course it would be too risky. But, for goodness sakes, he could have told them after they returned to CT. And most certainly should have called them immediately AFTER the arrests were made and attempted to answer any and all questions they would have.

Logic, pure and simple.

 

[noel leon]

If they had found any dna at the house from either CWW or JR they would have ,like the dc mansion murders , announced and arrested right away. THE WALMART idea is sounding very likely.

 

[No it's not]

bbm Law enforcement can get the results of your DNA faster than they can check car rentals in 2 states, interview witnesses or 1200 miles of traffic cams. Crime Scene Evidence...had to be the give away. SMS said, "WE DROVE THE EVIDENCE TO THE LAB" and here are the rest of my reasons:

SMS said, "We drove the evidence directly to the lab." (paraphrased, ok?) There are 200 locations that are FBI approved for this process. RAPID DNA testing!
The FBI initially established a Rapid DNA initiative in 2006 and partnered in 2008 with the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security on the development of point-of-collection DNA analysis for the production of CODIS DNA profiles (containing the 13 CODIS Core Loci) within a two-hour period.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/fbis-plans-for-the-use-of-rapid-dna-technology-in-codis
MISSOURI participates in "DNA identification" not only for felons, but also for a multitude of ARRESTS
http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/CLD/DNAProfiling/DNAProfiling.html
I found 4 labs in Florida alone...including one in Havana, Fl (I am SoCal) and not really aware of the quickest/closest lab. I think these two towns might be close,removed addresses & contact info,
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Orlando Regional Crime Laboratory • ALI-151-T

Disciplines
Drug Chemistry
Toxicology
Trace Evidence
Biology
Firearms Toolmarks
Latent Prints

Orlando, FL 32801 USA
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Fort Myers Regional Crime Laboratory • ALI-152-T

Disciplines
Drug Chemistry
Biology
Latent Prints
Crime Scene

Fort Myers, FL 33907 USA

Thanks for the info IQ . With LE being on a fast track with evidence processing, I 'm going back to my initial thought. If CWW was already a person of interest during the funeral, he may have been a poi prior to that Monday (July 6th).

They took the crime scene tape down the first time on Friday the 3rd of July. CWW was already in town by Wednesday, July 1st (according to Dr Siever's sister AL). On that weekend of July 4th, Dr Sievers' brothers tested the alarm system, MS was present. That happened on and off during that Friday night and on Saturday according to local neighbors. They also did some cleaning on that Friday (neighbors).

I do assume, CWW was present during those system checks. Why would he not be? Home security was his professional background at one time. He would be the to go guy to make sure the alarm system was running correctly.

So we have a partial Friday and an entire weekend after the house had been released for the first time. Then comes the day of the funeral (Monday, July 6th), and the yellow tape goes back up! I recall LE officers "grassing" through the backyard and looking for something. Cigarette buds? JR is a smoker, we talked about it. So CWW was a poi since at least the day of the funeral. (We know that then on July 12th, CWW was being arrested in MO for the first time and released hours later.)

Question is, did the yellow tape go up, as additional evidence was pointing to the second suspect JR? Or did the tape go up, because of JR,circumstantial CWW evidence and since now they had additional prints and possible DNA (on the alarm pad for example) from CWW- from testing the alarm system with the doctor's brothers- to compare against?

I just can't get over the fact, that CWW was already in Bonita since July 1st. Why was he? Was that part of the plan? Why?

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

If they had found any dna at the house from either CWW or JR they would have ,like the dc mansion murders , announced and arrested right away. THE WALMART idea is sounding very likely.

Unless they only found partials an/ or footprints. With CWW being around since Wednesday, LE had ample time to match anything they had found. They DID arrest him in MO only a week after the funeral. Was he able to prove already then, that he was not in Florida on or around the time Dr S was murdered? In that case, the Walmart sighting would have NOT happened yet. I believe that the LCSO detective, who reported the sighting, did so asap! They found the (rental) car, digital footprints etc, Walmart. Something like that. I do not think the sighting happened that early. CWW would have been arrested with successful warrant and not been released hours later.

Just my boring thought..;-)

-Nin

 

[irishchook]

Thanks for the info IQ . With LE being on a fast track with evidence processing, I 'm going back to my initial thought. If CWW was already a person of interest during the funeral, he may have been a poi prior to that Monday (July 6th).

They took the crime scene tape down the first time on Friday the 3rd of July. CWW was already in town by Wednesday, July 1st (according to Dr Siever's sister AL). On that weekend of July 4th, Dr Sievers' brothers tested the alarm system, MS was present. That happened on and off during that Friday night and on Saturday according to local neighbors. They also did some cleaning on that Friday (neighbors).

I do assume, CWW was present during those system checks. Why would he not be? Home security was his professional background at one time. He would be the to go guy to make sure the alarm system was running correctly.

So we have a partial Friday and an entire weekend after the house had been released for the first time. Then comes the day of the funeral (Monday, July 6th), and the yellow tape goes back up! I recall LE officers "grassing" through the backyard and looking for something. Cigarette buds? JR is a smoker, we talked about it. So CWW was a poi since at least the day of the funeral. (We know that then on July 12th, CWW was being arrested in MO for the first time and released hours later.)

Question is, did the yellow tape go up, as additional evidence was pointing to the second suspect JR? Or did the tape go up, because of JR,circumstantial CWW evidence and since now they had additional prints and possible DNA (on the alarm pad for example) from CWW- from testing the alarm system with the doctor's brothers- to compare against?

I just can't get over the fact, that CWW was already in Bonita since July 1st. Why was he? Was that part of the plan? Why?

-Nin

I hate to sound pessimistic, but my thoughts are that LCSO combed/swept the area, on the day of the funeral, as a public/media persona as to divert media/public curiosity.

 

[No it's not]

I hate to sound pessimistic, but my thoughts are that LCSO combed/swept the area, on the day of the funeral, as a public/media persona as to divert media/public curiosity.

With all the budget cuts in Lee County, hard to believe that would happen. Interesting thought. Impossible? No. Improbable? I'd say yes.

-Nin