2015.07.06 SMS confirms that CWW was a POI as early as July 6th

[ATasteOfHoney]

Keep in mind, it isn't an imposition if it's your "brother"

....a brother from another mother? :scared:

 

[creepingskills]

Very interesting post. The whole receipt from Wal Mart has never sounded "good" to me either, as the way they "caught" CWW or JR or both. I never thought about DNA on an item from two convicted FELONS. Hmmm. Hasn't there been an effort here in the US to have DNA from every felon entered into a database?

AFAIK it isn't very easy or procedurally simple for LE take someone's DNA and enter into the 'system'. Probably depends on what crime they've been convicted of, and I'm guessing that not every felony qualifies as 'DNA into the system' worthy. Again, just an educated guess but I think JR's DNA was in the system either due to the felon in possession of firearms probation violation, and/or because of his current status as on supervised release. My gut tells me CWW might not have his DNA in the system.

 

[creepingskills]

The only flaw is that JR isn't going to take the whole rap alone & he will sing like a canary. And I'm sure there's enough technology + evidence to link CWW to JR and consequently the murder.

CWW made JR his partner -- there's plenty of forensic evidence, internet communications, phone logs, wire taps, etc.
LE does not have to rely on crumbs to link these two together.
Accomplices talk.....and then LE secures the evidence to confirm the allegations of association.

I think there's plenty of "loose lips" surrounding this case that we will soon hear about & I'm grateful for them!

Moo

BBM this is exactly why I think CWW personally handled the murder, and JR was nearby with the car or outside the home. CWW surely could've picked a more loyal partner in crime. Why enlist JR, of all people, to carry out a crime punishable by the death penalty?

This is a truly awful attempt to explain, I'm sorry but; if I had to pick someone to help me 'bury a body' it would not be a much younger, relatively NEW felon friend. JR is obviously going to sing if the plan goes south, he doesn't want to go back to federal prison for A LONG TIME. Why did CWW choose JR? Why did he need an accomplice in the first place? What hit requires two hit men? CWW's nonexistent license could create the need for two, but what else?

 

[Dion]

I find it difficult to believe that LE got a big clue from the house (such as a receipt for murder weapon and related items). I think that LE were tipped off by someone in Missouri.

JR's gf was telling people at a baby shower that JR would be earning $10,000 for a few days work out of town, and she was excited to be getting a van from the proceeds. People at the shower must have been amazed that JR could earn so much for a couple of days work, so they mention it to their friends/family and word gets around.

Then comes the news that ex local boy MS's wife was killed that same weekend, and both CWW and JR happened to be out of town, during that time period. It wouldn't take much to connect the dots.

So LE go to interview both the gf and JR and the truth comes out.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

BBM this is exactly why I think CWW personally handled the murder, and JR was nearby with the car or outside the home. CWW surely could've picked a more loyal partner in crime. Why enlist JR, of all people, to carry out a crime punishable by the death penalty?

This is a truly awful attempt to explain, I'm sorry but; if I had to pick someone to help me 'bury a body' it would not be a much younger, relatively NEW felon friend. JR is obviously going to sing if the plan goes south, he doesn't want to go back to federal prison for A LONG TIME. Why did CWW choose JR? Why did he need an accomplice in the first place? What hit requires two hit men? CWW's nonexistent license could create the need for two, but what else?

All very good questions, creeping skills----and I'll add one more:
What was the argument that was going on too in that house as heard by numerous neighbors? Did one partner stay in the car outside in the driveway while the other committed the heinous act but it wasn't done "Wright"? Was there no money in the house or safe as expected? Did one get bit by a supposedly friendly dog?

What caused the alleged arguing? It seems that something didn't go quite as expected.....

I really want to know about the arguing heard.

Can anyone recap/consolidate all of the neighbor statements & post it here about the alleged argument that was heard coming from the house ? Pretty please??!!

 

[creepingskills]

Maybe I watch too many movies but is it not totally out of the realm of possibility that after the crime, JR figures out that he's an accomplice to TS's murder and doesn't destroy the evidence because he feels bad or scared? Doesn't know what to do, get rid of it or save jumpsuit as insurance on CWW tying him (not JR) to TS. Instead he buries it. JR has anxiety issues, documented in prison. So, if he was anxious about what happened in FL, he is more likely than not to tell the gf. Maybe they both or just the gf, believing him to be innocent, went to her parents.

Maybe JR is an idiot or maybe some new facts will eventually explain why, if people in town were talking about TS being murdered with a hammer, wouldn't JR delete the Facebook hammer references? Why wouldn't CWW make him remove the posts?! The only way I can reconcile it - the hammer references were still up at the time of JR's arrest was because it was by design. JR's gf likely hadn't heard about MS's wife, unless she's a big NG fan or hanging out in CWW circles, until LE were in MO. Also, JMO I think JR had no idea that a hammer was used, and thus had no reason to remove the posts referring hammers, or change his nickname.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Maybe I watch too many movies but is it not totally out of the realm of possibility that after the crime, JR figures out that he's an accomplice to TS's murder and doesn't destroy the evidence because he feels bad or scared? Doesn't know what to do, get rid of it or save jumpsuit as insurance on CWW tying him (not JR) to TS. Instead he buries it. JR has anxiety issues, documented in prison. So, if he was anxious about what happened in FL, he is more likely than not to tell the gf. Maybe they both or just the gf, believing him to be innocent, went to her parents.

Maybe JR is an idiot or maybe some new facts will eventually explain why, if people in town were talking about TS being murdered with a hammer, wouldn't JR delete the Facebook hammer references? Why wouldn't CWW make him remove the posts?! The only way I can reconcile it - the hammer references were still up at the time of JR's arrest was because it was by design. JR's gf likely hadn't heard about MS's wife, unless she's a big NG fan or hanging out in CWW circles, until LE were in MO. Also, JMO I think JR had no idea that a hammer was used, and thus had no reason to remove the posts referring hammers, or change his nickname.

Oh my....maybe I watch too many movies too but maybe this is what happened:
CWW promises JR the money which is allegedly in the safe but it is not supposed to be murder---only a robbery with no one home. CWW says it will be real simple & JR is going to wait in the car outside as a "lookout". CWW claims he will go inside but he's not after the money--he wants to steal computer records (or so he tells JR). CWW goes inside, commits the heinous crime but it's taking a long time which eventually puzzles JR----and he goes in the house & sees the carnage. Maybe CWW gives him the $10k or maybe he claims it wasn't there in the safe as expected.
An argument ensues because this wasn't supposed to be a murder in JR's mind & also, where's the money? JR starts yelling that this wasn't supposed to be a murder---just a robbery!!! And where is my money, CWW?
And then JR realizes he has been set up?? Could this have been the argument the neighbors heard?

Just a theory.....

 

[creepingskills]

All very good questions, creeping skills----and I'll add one more:
What was the argument that was going on too in that house as heard by numerous neighbors? Did one partner stay in the car outside in the driveway while the other committed the heinous act but it wasn't done "Wright"? Was there no money in the house or safe as expected? Did one get bit by a supposedly friendly dog?

What caused the alleged arguing? It seems that something didn't go quite as expected.....

I really want to know about the arguing heard.

Can anyone recap/consolidate all of the neighbor statements & post it here about the alleged argument that was heard coming from the house ? Pretty please??!!

Full disclosure: I think the arguing heard that morning by neighbors is irrelevant, unrelated. JMO though. One reason why: SMS said at the start of the first interview with Tricia that the public had the timeline wrong. The question was in reference to what he wanted to clear up, any misconceptions IIRC. He chose the 'timeline', the public didn't have the timeline correct. Now, when I think about this statement literally...he could have been referring to the neighbors as 'the public' or just that the public was basing their timeline off the neighbors statements, speculating that TS died around 5:30AM. At least that is what I took from SMS statement; TOD speculation based on the neighbors' reports were not accurate. TS TOD still unknown, right?

 

[fortunate1]

The only flaw is that JR isn't going to take the whole rap alone & he will sing like a canary. And I'm sure there's enough technology + evidence to link CWW to JR and consequently the murder.

CWW made JR his partner -- there's plenty of forensic evidence, internet communications, phone logs, wire taps, etc.
LE does not have to rely on crumbs to link these two together.
Accomplices talk.....and then LE secures the evidence to confirm the allegations of association.

I think there's plenty of "loose lips" surrounding this case that we will soon hear about & I'm grateful for them!

Moo

I don't think CWW planned for JR to live long enough to be arrested and sing like a bird. Don't forget about the old wood chipper.

 

[rexxy]

Isn't it possible that CWW was a POI from day one because he was listed as MS 'brother' and upon further investigation he had a history of felony charges and was a POI in another murder case? Who is to say how many POIs LE had to start with.

 

[KateB]

Full disclosure: I think the arguing heard that morning by neighbors is irrelevant, unrelated. JMO though. One reason why: SMS said at the start of the first interview with Tricia that the public had the timeline wrong. The question was in reference to what he wanted to clear up, any misconceptions IIRC. He chose the 'timeline', the public didn't have the timeline correct. Now, when I think about this statement literally...he could have been referring to the neighbors as 'the public' or just that the public was basing their timeline off the neighbors statements, speculating that TS died around 5:30AM. At least that is what I took from SMS statement; TOD speculation based on the neighbors' reports were not accurate. TS TOD still unknown, right?

I believe Duntulum, as well.

* The TOD has been given to the family. The "shrills" and "arguing" around 5/6ish were not Teresa.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...June-2015-*ARRESTS*-6&p=12032287#post12032287

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't think CWW planned for JR to live long enough to be arrested and sing like a bird. Don't forget about the old wood chipper.

Yowza! Good point!

Scary, scary "people" we are dealing with here (& I use that term loosely)!

 

[creepingskills]

Yowza! Good point!

Scary, scary "people" we are dealing with here (& I use that term loosely)!

Right. Who knows, maybe JR's gf called LE because of threats from CWW and the scheme unraveled from there.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Right. Who knows, maybe JR's gf called LE because of threats from CWW and the scheme unraveled from there.

Oh yes....creeping skills.....my gut keeps telling me that the women surrounding this case from many angles will talk to LE (& I believe many have already).
Why? Well for the fact that it is well known that TS was an advocate for women & was much respected/admired. TS was also a mother to two beautiful little girls.
That will weigh on another woman's conscience .

 

[Tricia]

I spent 15 minutes trying to find a video I saw a few weeks ago, and cannot find it. But it showed that at the Walmarts, the cams do more than facial recognition. They also analyze your gait, stride, various body movements, and is fed into their database (of course) and this system assesses what items you pick up (bar codes are scanned from cams) and are constantly building more accurate profiles on everyone.

All so they can sell you a better microwave at the best time, right? ha

Anyway, back to this thread: I don't remember who on here wrote it, but when I read the post I thought, "Damn clever".

The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.

Just a reminder. We only allow mainstream media sources on YouTube or videos that have received prior approval.

If someone posts a video making allegations, we will not allow it unless it is mainstream media.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[No it's not]

Isn't it possible that CWW was a POI from day one because he was listed as MS 'brother' and upon further investigation he had a history of felony charges and was a POI in another murder case? Who is to say how many POIs LE had to start with.

I was thinking of something quite similar to that, mainly, that CWW could have been seen on one of the *local* traffic cam tapes that night together with JR, and a photo of a (rental?) car with Missouri license plates! They run the plate and get a digital footprint all the way from MO to FL and in between. They notice the resemblance of CWW to MS, MS lists him as a brother on FB. Voila. SMS announces from the very beginning, that the neighbors are "safe", victim was targeted, not random.

-Nin

 

[beach]

Maybe I watch too many movies but is it not totally out of the realm of possibility that after the crime, JR figures out that he's an accomplice to TS's murder and doesn't destroy the evidence because he feels bad or scared? Doesn't know what to do, get rid of it or save jumpsuit as insurance on CWW tying him (not JR) to TS. Instead he buries it. JR has anxiety issues, documented in prison. So, if he was anxious about what happened in FL, he is more likely than not to tell the gf. Maybe they both or just the gf, believing him to be innocent, went to her parents.

Maybe JR is an idiot or maybe some new facts will eventually explain why, if people in town were talking about TS being murdered with a hammer, wouldn't JR delete the Facebook hammer references? Why wouldn't CWW make him remove the posts?! The only way I can reconcile it - the hammer references were still up at the time of JR's arrest was because it was by design. JR's gf likely hadn't heard about MS's wife, unless she's a big NG fan or hanging out in CWW circles, until LE were in MO. Also, JMO I think JR had no idea that a hammer was used, and thus had no reason to remove the posts referring hammers, or change his nickname.

Oh my....maybe I watch too many movies too but maybe this is what happened:
CWW promises JR the money which is allegedly in the safe but it is not supposed to be murder---only a robbery with no one home. CWW says it will be real simple & JR is going to wait in the car outside as a "lookout". CWW claims he will go inside but he's not after the money--he wants to steal computer records (or so he tells JR). CWW goes inside, commits the heinous crime but it's taking a long time which eventually puzzles JR----and he goes in the house & sees the carnage. Maybe CWW gives him the $10k or maybe he claims it wasn't there in the safe as expected.
An argument ensues because this wasn't supposed to be a murder in JR's mind & also, where's the money? JR starts yelling that this wasn't supposed to be a murder---just a robbery!!! And where is my money, CWW?
And then JR realizes he has been set up?? Could this have been the argument the neighbors heard?

Just a theory.....

I've never felt sure that JR KNEW they were going for the purpose of committing a murder. I believe he knew it was something "no good" but no telling what CWW really told him before they left about what their mission was. What I do feel sure of is that JR knew that $10,000 was a lot of money, he needed it badly and so he chose to take the risk. I'm just not convinced he knew what the risk really was.

This wasn't CWW's first rodeo. Murdering someone didn't bother him, imo. He could easily rationalize it. And, IMO, he had gotten away with it at least once before, if not more. JR was not in the same league. After they returned to MO, I think JR freaked out a bit and started running his mouth to his gf and others. CWW would know better than to ever run his mouth like that. I believe JR kept the jumpsuit and other evidence as an insurance policy, considering what he'd just witnessed. In fact, I personally believe JR has probably already flipped on CWW.

 

[Wing Ding]

Right. Who knows, maybe JR's gf called LE because of threats from CWW and the scheme unraveled from there.

Fwiw, a few weeks ago I also mentioned the possibility of JR's gf calling LE, but someone else posted that JR's gf only talked to LE after he'd already been arrested. I suppose because we still don't yet know everything about this crime, the gf is still within the realm of possibilities, but I guess we won't know for sure until we know for sure.

 

[creepingskills]

Fwiw, a few weeks ago I also mentioned the possibility of JR's gf calling LE, but someone else posted that JR's gf only talked to LE after he'd already been arrested. I suppose because we still don't yet know everything about this crime, the gf is still within the realm of possibilities, but I guess we won't know for sure until we know for sure.

I think the original quote from MSM was the gf started talking 'when LE moved in for an arrest'. IIRC, there was a search at JR's trailer before CWW's search on July 12? and before the arrests. IMO LE was 'moving in for arrest' when they executed a search warrant and either the GF spilled the beans then, or prior to JR's arrest she was worried that CWW was going to get rid of JR and spilled then.

 

[relay]

Isn't it possible that CWW was a POI from day one because he was listed as MS 'brother' and upon further investigation he had a history of felony charges and was a POI in another murder case? Who is to say how many POIs LE had to start with.

The significant other is POI number one in a murder case in most cases until that person is ruled out. Those closest to the victim are looked at first, so I thought as you do--that CWW was found early on, and the background check came back unfavorable. Perhaps SMS learned about CWW being a POI in Ronnie Bolin's case fairly early on and already knew how close MS and CWW were for many years. For all we know one of the hold ups in an additional arrest is more evidence or someone talking to LE regarding who may have helped CWW dispose of Ronnie's body (This last sentence is not fact but hearsay). Maybe LE's are working together to hopefully solve both cases. I do not know factually, the details in Ronnie's case. So, this is all moo.