2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[Maxine2U]

Lalaw, that fort struck me the exact same way! But then I was like, oh I'm just being judgey mcjudgerson. It seemed odd for it to be there like it was semi-permanent. Poor babies! I wish they'd get them out of there!

On a "lighter" note, you guys!!! I have to start taking notes. I saw that condom box with the "large" on it... Yeah, right!

Did anyone notice on one side of the bed in the master, there was a table on wheels like they use in the hospital to serve your meals on? Ugly lamp, stack of paperbacks, etc. The other side of the bed had some angel figurines and a pretty framed photo of black and white family pics. It was like they had drawn a line down the bed and MS's side looked like a big slob lived there while TS's side looked like someone trying to carve out a little peaceful space for herself. It made me so sad.

 

[Bobbywoo]

The second photo he looks bald because he shaves his head- he also looks a tad bit younger in the fridge photo but its been proven to be CWW- NIN found the family photo that it came from on CWW's FB page. It is CWW with a young man and a girl- a professional photo- family type. Weird that someone cut the children out?

WTH??? That is so very creepy! Do you think they really may have the same father? Has it been established that they don't? Just damn strange! Could it have been part of the staging? I just can't wrap my head around this

ETA: I'm not even sure most women would do this unless it was in memory of a best friend that has passed or they were also in the pic. And to cut everyone else out of the pic??? I wonder if MS silently laughed to himself ever time TS went to the fridge knowing TS was looking right at the doer of the end of her days

 

[howonkee]

I do the same thing with my purse when we travel. I thought about the purse too, but what threw me was that I couldn't see the metallic hardware on the purse in the airport photos. Although, maybe the purse strap is just folded in a way that hides the hardware in those photos. It could be!

Ditto. It has to be her purse because we know she had one and she's not carrying it on her other arm. Unless for some strange reason she put her purse in her suitcase or a second piece of luggage or bag and that bag was on top of the suitcase.

 

[howonkee]

Bates #28063 (and surrounding pictures) A laptop sleeve with various small items found in TS's bag. Did she take a laptop on the trip?

What could this charger be for? Not her iPhone. IIRC LE specifically asked MS's defense attorney in writing if TS was carrying any other devices on her trip. Maybe she only had the laptop (photographed in her office area) charger in her bag, but left the computer at home?

A kindle?

 

[No it's not]

Do we know when the original pic of CWW and children was posted on FB?

No, unfortunately not.

-Nin

 

[Bobbywoo]

I absolutely agree - I see so much more there such as the children being happy and creating art projects being more important than living in a sterile environment with just one table for crafts! I see a house which is more evident as a "home" with children being allowed to be children. I see more time spent with the girls than picking up every single piece of laundry. I see a home where children were loved.

I have to agree with you. I know I'm in the minority here but I see kids being able to be kids and make a mess. I've seen disarray but not sure I've seen anything filthy. Maybe I need to view pics on a computer screen vs my phone to get a larger pic? If I walk into a house with kids I expect to see some mess. And what I've heard and believe is so true..... Your dirt is cleaner than someone else's dirt, lol. Mentally anyway. That being said.....my phone got a clear enough screen shot to see that that van was disgusting! Filthy, filthy, filthy. Not just cluttered but gross. I have a 10 year old car that I've toted my dogs around in at least every other week and full of beach sand but.....ugghhhh!

 

[Russian Blue]

Bates #28063 (and surrounding pictures) A laptop sleeve with various small items found in TS's bag. Did she take a laptop on the trip?

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What could this charger be for? Not her iPhone. IIRC LE specifically asked MS's defense attorney in writing if TS was carrying any other devices on her trip. Maybe she only had the laptop (photographed in her office area) charger in her bag, but left the computer at home?View attachment 87015

This looks the same as the charger to my mobile hot spot.

 

[1&2&3]

WTH??? That is so very creepy! Do you think they really may have the same father? Has it been established that they don't?

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After seeing more pictures of MS and CWW lately, it made me start to question if these two had the same father too.

 

[howonkee]

Well it may have been as simple as listening to conversations at the funeral and wake. If AW was still complaining to random people that she was left home last week to work while CWW took a trip to florida may have triggered a LE response as I am sure they were there both overtly and covertly. As was said before a lot of criminals return to the scene afterwards.

I'm not sure if I missed this, or if it hasn't been divulged yet. Sheriff Scott said that CWW was on their radar as early as the day of the funeral. I think that was July 6th? But the CTW didn't come forward until a couple days later. So what was it that put him on their radar originally? I wonder if LE found the photo on the fridge as strange as we do.

In the first couple days after the murder, when MS was cooperating with LE, he allowed them to download the contents of his phone. I believe that is how they found that he and CWW were in constant contact with each other until about a day or two prior to the murder. Just doing a facebook check of these two would lead the detectives right to JRR, who at that time called himself "the Hammer". D'oh.

 

[Scout]

Bates #29530-29544 (Batch 30) appear to show impression evidence in blood around the immediate area where TS's body was found -- at least two of which appear to be shoe prints.

On the left side of Bates #29534 (next to the fridge), I see what appears to be chemical bottles for the enhancement of blood impression evidence -- possibly Amido Black.

 

[Bobbywoo]

Snipped for emphasis

After seeing more pictures of MS and CWW lately, it made me start to question if these two had the same father too.

And the closeness and loyalty.... Hard for me to even consider, slightly easier to consider if they were related.

 

[howonkee]

Snipped for emphasis

After seeing more pictures of MS and CWW lately, it made me start to question if these two had the same father too.

It shouldn't be that difficult to check their birth certificates to see who each one lists was the mother and the father. IIRC, there was less than 9 months between each one's birthdates, so it may be more likely that they are indeed "brothers from another mother" and do have the same father. Anyone here good at searching public records in Missouri?

 

[desertmama]

I have to agree with you. I know I'm in the minority here but I see kids being able to be kids and make a mess. I've seen disarray but not sure I've seen anything filthy. Maybe I need to view pics on a computer screen vs my phone to get a larger pic? If I walk into a house with kids I expect to see some mess. And what I've heard and believe is so true..... Your dirt is cleaner than someone else's dirt, lol. Mentally anyway. That being said.....my phone got a clear enough screen shot to see that that van was disgusting! Filthy, filthy, filthy. Not just cluttered but gross. I have a 10 year old car that I've toted my dogs around in at least every other week and full of beach sand but.....ugghhhh!

I have to agree with you. I'm on my phone, and aside from the office and van, I'm seeing a comfortable, lived in HOME. It's certainly not dirty or filthy.I'm not even seeing dust or animal hair.

 

[1&2&3]

Possibly, but I don't think the bald W/goatee look, that's so popular nowadays was in style back then. IMO, it's CWW.

ETA: Photo of CWW with thick glasses. View attachment 86955

This photo looks exactly like the guy on the refrigerator-same thick glasses.

The way I have been able to tell the difference between the two guys in the pictures is CWW's goatee has red in it where Mark's has white in it.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

I absolutely agree - I see so much more there such as the children being happy and creating art projects being more important than living in a sterile environment with just one table for crafts! I see a house which is more evident as a "home" with children being allowed to be children. I see more time spent with the girls than picking up every single piece of laundry. I see a home where children were loved.

I also agree with you. I see lots and lots of toys around the house. It looks like they are allowed to play and have fun without anyone overly concerned about the house getting messed up. MS probably didn't require them to pick up after themselves sand that could have been a point of contention between MS and TS and she finally gave up.


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[debbiegarcia36]

I find it interesting to see how we all, or many of us, see something different. This is not meant to argue with what anyone else sees, but as an observation. Personally I don't see the house as a home where children were allowed to be children at all. The place looked incredibly depressing to me, not at all a happy kids' home (not saying the girls were not happy, it's just the house doesn't scream 'happy kids here' to me).

With the exception of what looks like a blanket fort in the youngest girl's room, I don't see any cool playing 'projects', just clutter and things that should have, but weren't put away. I'm not judging - my house does not look a lot better at the moment. But most of the stuff is actual kids' stuff. Foam swords, legos, (oh crap there's a soccer bag and soccer ended in October), toy walkie-talkies, some Star Wars figurines, a couple of nutcrackers that went from decoration to army I guess, a stuffed animal, a couple of drawings.

Except for the girls' rooms, I didn't see much actual kid stuff lying around in the Sievers' pics.

Again, not arguing - I genuinely find it very interesting (although probably logical) that different people see so many different things in those pics. It's probably exactly what sums up the strength of WS - we are all (mostly) capable of respectfully hearing others' opinions and how we see things, and we chisel and chip and combine all our opinions to come to some very valid conclusions at times.

*warm fuzzies* lol

I see a ton of toys for the girls in one of the bedrooms. A play oven or refrigerator, a keyboard in the family room. A box of crayons on an end table. Swimsuits hanging on outside chairs. A beaded decoration hanging from the rear view mirror of the van(recall they made and sold bracelets. Ill go back and look to see what ever else I find.

The girl in the pic appears to be a minor may not be directly involved so no name or pic

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[SeesSeas]

I have to agree with you. I'm on my phone, and aside from the office and van, I'm seeing a comfortable, lived in HOME. It's certainly not dirty or filthy.I'm not even seeing dust or animal hair.

Yep. From what I can see in the photos, the condition of the house for an active family of 4 seems fairly typical. The sinks, tub and toilet look clean. I notice empty waste baskets. There is no obvious sign of pet hair. In my home, I sweep a dustpan full of pet hair every couple of days.

 

[al66pine]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/Custody-hearing-for-Sievers-children-360813011.html

Here is the thread so you can get up to speed on that aspect

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...CF-Hearing-today-(Friday)-continued-to-Monday

TYVM to both of you for providing links.
Somehow I missed the shelter hearing & custody issue altogether.

So many sad aspects to Dr TS' death.

 

[DeDee]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B717FUtKwdU8YXRFM0k0MnlkOG8&usp=drive_web

Apologies. I cannot read the Bates #. The pics are out of order. It is in the group of pictures that are the last batch on the second line on my lappy. It is the img01082016_0004.pdf batch. The first photo of the batch shows a small hairbrush and a pink cosmetic type bag with black dots along with a black bag with a juice bottle resting on it that has a green top. This references the next to the last photo (pic 38 of 40).




The photo appears to be taken from the top of MS's desk. The title on the first page of the stack of papers is "How Trauma Impacts the Brain". I would agree that Dr. Sievers' two daughters are highly traumatized by the murder of their mother. May Peace be with them.

Google took me to this document of the same name.

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf

 

[LaLaw2000]

A kindle?

The charger plug in is exactly the same as mine so I think it is for her cell phone. I don't know what kind of cell TS had, but mine is a Samsung Galaxy. So many charger cords/plug ins are interchangeable.