33 souls on cargo ship missing in Hurricane Joaquin, October 2015

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I would have turned that boat around while the captain went to sleep. They let him sleep for hours before re alerting him that things were getting worst.

But he kept on going while acting like he has done this 1000 times.

The recordings were sad.

Rest in peace to the crew.

I'm not sure that is completely accurate. In the transcript, both the second and the third mates woke him up to tell him that things were getting worse. But yeah, he kept on acting like he had done it a 1000 times. He had enough warning. He could have taken their advice and changed course.

You have to wonder if he was drunk or on drugs or something. I guess we will never know that. Because you can't drug test a dead man.
 
The recording must be horrifying because the transcripts are almost too much to bear. What the hell was wrong with that captain? I am so sorry for their families.
 
I'm not sure that is completely accurate. In the transcript, both the second and the third mates woke him up to tell him that things were getting worse. But yeah, he kept on acting like he had done it a 1000 times. He had enough warning. He could have taken their advice and changed course.

You have to wonder if he was drunk or on drugs or something. I guess we will never know that. Because you can't drug test a dead man.

Agree. He compared it to the waves that Alaskan fishermen battle everyday.

But the waves got bigger. The boat was taking in water. Plus it rolled. And someone stated that it seems like the storm was following them.

Then it hit a category 3.

The bow went down or something. And that was that.

I also doubt the rafts would had helped in that storm.

But the captain still tried to encourage his mate not to give up 2 minutes before death.

Whoa.
 
The recording must be horrifying because the transcripts are almost too much to bear. What the hell was wrong with that captain? I am so sorry for their families.

Agree. He had atleast 8hours before the worst happened. But he kept his course instead of turning back sooner.

Its like he was showing off his Captain skills or something.

Idk. But we cant blame the boat maintenance on this. Jmo
 
Certainly, this is an issue of the captain performing with hubris. The boat had issues if the wind instruments were not working and probably other issues but I can't see that the cause is anything but the captain. Each time he told them to stay the course was a nail in the coffin.
 
Agree. He compared it to the waves that Alaskan fishermen battle everyday.

But the waves got bigger. The boat was taking in water. Plus it rolled. And someone stated that it seems like the storm was following them.

Then it hit a category 3.

The bow went down or something. And that was that.

I also doubt the rafts would had helped in that storm.

But the captain still tried to encourage his mate not to give up 2 minutes before death.

Whoa.

Unfortunately it was too late by that time. He only gave the order to abandon ship 10 minutes before it rolled over and went down. There was not enough time to even launch the lifeboats. I don't know what would have happened with the lifeboats. But they would have had a lot better chance in the lifeboats then on a sinking ship. It sounds like the captain was still in denial right up until about 10 minutes before it went down.
 
Certainly, this is an issue of the captain performing with hubris. The boat had issues if the wind instruments were not working and probably other issues but I can't see that the cause is anything but the captain. Each time he told them to stay the course was a nail in the coffin.

I wonder if they didn't disobey him because he has probably gotten them out of rough waters before?

But none of the crew mentioned it. If anything they were wondering why the Captain was doing this.

It feels like a suicidal terrorist situation. But they didn't recognize because he was the captain.
 
There were actually several things that "did them in". The cargo had not been secured in a manner to withstand a huge storm - something that would be done by the longshoremen at the time the cargo is being loaded. Why this was not done is not explained, but for the time of year and where they were going to be sailing, they certainly should have been prepared for a severe storm.

Due to not being secure enough, vehicles broke loose in the hold and slammed up against the bulkhead, apparently somehow causing some door type thing on the side of the ship to be open to the seawater. Thus, areas of the hold filled with water. Which then caused the entire boat to "list" or lean over on its side.

Once the boat was in a permanent "listing" position, the fuel lines to the engines were unable to work properly due to this and they lost their engine power and could not get it back. At that point, they were really screwed.

I was impressed by the captain trying to the very end to encourage the able seaman who was panicking. But the captain made a severe error of judgement in maintaining the course straight into the storm.

May they rest in peace.

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Re: Crew disobeying the captain's orders

This is just NOT done at sea. It is a very serious offense to disobey an order of the captain of a vessel.
 
There were actually several things that "did them in". The cargo had not been secured in a manner to withstand a huge storm - something that would be done by the longshoremen at the time the cargo is being loaded. Why this was not done is not explained, but for the time of year and where they were going to be sailing, they certainly should have been prepared for a severe storm.

Due to not being secure enough, vehicles broke loose in the hold and slammed up against the bulkhead, apparently somehow causing some door type thing on the side of the ship to be open to the seawater. Thus, areas of the hold filled with water. Which then caused the entire boat to "list" or lean over on its side.

Once the boat was in a permanent "listing" position, the fuel lines to the engines were unable to work properly due to this and they lost their engine power and could not get it back. At that point, they were really screwed.

I was impressed by the captain trying to the very end to encourage the able seaman who was panicking. But the captain made a severe error of judgement in maintaining the course straight into the storm.

May they rest in peace.

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Re: Crew disobeying the captain's orders

This is just NOT done at sea. It is a very serious offense to disobey an order of the captain of a vessel.

I don't believe the cargo being secured was the problem. I'm pretty sure the cargo was secured in the normal matter, but nothing was going to keep it secured under those conditions. At one point in the transcript they were investigating the possibility of a problem with the cargo. Then one crewmember stated that he had never seen a ship list that bad, and told the captain that there was something more going on than just stacks tipped over. Then they discovered the flooding. I think the ship was just taking on too much water and then sank. I think the engine problem was ultimately what did them in.
 
My heart breaks for those lost and their families. I am so glad my son gave this career up as I was wracked with anxiety the whole time he was on a boat. He told me many things I was probably better off not knowing.
 
My heart breaks for these sailors and their loved ones...Really seems like several bad decisions in a row.
 
Please keep an open mind re: the captain. There is a lot of pressure to do risky things by greedy companies. I've witnessed things done to people and then when things go wrong, the employee takes the blame when they are dead and can't defend themselves or when a conversation or threat is not recorded for proof. I worked with a 'fellow' in an ER that was told to transfer an indigent pt to another hospital. The fellow protested because he knew the man would not make it and had a better chance where he was. His career was threatened by the CEO if he didn't comply with commands. "If you don't transfer him, you will never practice a day of medicine again."
A friend who was in charge in a rehab facility reported that she was dressed down severely and taken out of her charge position for calling an ambulance for a pt that fell and had a suspected broken hip which was later confirmed. "Why didn't a CNA drive the rehab's van to the hospital with the pt? Do you know how costly the ambulance is?" Decisions of health can be made by business executives who have no idea how serious a hip fracture can be. These are a couple of the many situations I've witnessed or been warned about.

People make risky decisions everyday when their livelihood to care for their families are in jeopardy. I'm not saying that it's right, I'm simply pointing out that things like this happen and we are quick to jump on the pressured victim. I don't believe the captain had a death wish. But I do believe in the possibility of coercion. They didn't even have the correct life preservers on board and the lifeboat 'lift' had a board wedged in it to make it 'work'. I have no way of knowing what happened, this is MOO from anecdotal experience and observation and we have no recordings of communication between the captain and the company CEO.

"As one officer who sailed with Davidson recalled Monday, a ship Davidson commanded years before had steering problems and needed repairs. He demanded two tugboats escort the ship 126 miles down the Chesapeake Bay, slowly, at 10 knots — or under 12 mph.

The company, a different one from the owner of the El Faro, was furious, the officer recalled. It didn’t have time for an overly cautious, costly endeavor like that. It didn’t have time for a captain who couldn’t take risks for the sake of profit, he recalled.

The officer, who said he is a good friend of Davidson but still sometimes works for the company and is unwilling to give his name, said Davidson was fired."

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-10-05/story/who-michael-davidson-captain-missing-el-faro

http://jacksonville.com/news/2016-12-13/el-faro-family-criminal-negligence

"Spohrer showed reporters photos of the battered lifeboat, with a gaping hole and much of the exterior shell gone, found after the ship sank. He displayed photos of other concerning details, including a piece of wood wedged in the equipment to lower the lifeboat. The attorney said that could indicate a crewmember having to use the wooden handle to try to release the boat to lower it.

He said the investigations must determine “who is accountable, who is responsible for the lack of seaworthiness of the vessel.”

Spohrer said the expert evaluating the lifeboat found life vests similar to those that would be used in a recreational fishing or ski boat – not commercial vests."
 
This story is horrifying, and sadder still that the ship also carried food and goods meant for Puerto Rico like some weird foreshadowing.
 

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