4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

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Subpoenas in Criminal Cases.
"(d) Relief from Subpoena. The court, upon timely motion, may:
(1) quash or modify the subpoena...
(2) condition compliance with the subpoena upon...
I.R.C.P. 45. Subpoenas | Supreme Court

snipped for focus @Twistinginthewind The link in above post is for rules in CIVIL cases: "Idaho Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 45. Subpoenas."

For CRIMINAL cases:
Rule 17. Serving subpoena to witness
"(d)(2) Outside the State of Idaho....must be issued under the circumstances and in the manner and be served as provided by law..."
Apparently (sorry I'm trying to catch up), was served on BF in Nevada.

QUASHING, in Rule 17?
"(a) For Attendance of Witnesses,..." Silent re quashing.
"(b) For Production of Documentary Evidence and of Objects.... Court may quash or modify "if compliance would be unreasonable or oppressive."

Sorry if already discussed and questions answered.
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Idaho Criminal Rule 17. Subpoena
(a) For Attendance of Witnesses, Form, Issuance. A subpoena must be issued by the clerk of the court or the judge, and must command each person to whom it is directed to attend and give testimony at the time and place specified in it. The clerk may issue a subpoena, signed and sealed, but otherwise in blank to a party requesting it who must fill in the blanks before it is served.
(b) For Production of Documentary Evidence and of Objects. A subpoena may also command the person to whom it is directed to produce the books, papers, documents or other objects designated in it. The court, on motion, may quash or modify the subpoena if compliance would be unreasonable or oppressive. The court may direct that books, papers, documents or objects designated in the subpoena be produced before the court at a time prior to the trial or prior to the time when they are to be offered in evidence and may, on their production, permit the books, papers, documents or objects or portions of them to be inspected by the parties and their attorneys.
(c) Service. A subpoena may be served by a peace officer, by the officer's deputy, or by any other person who is not a party and who is at least 18 years old. Service of a subpoena must be made by delivering a copy of it to the person named.
(d) Place of Service.
(1) In the State of Idaho. A subpoena requiring the attendance of a witness at a hearing or trial may be served at any place in the state of Idaho.
(2) Outside the State of Idaho. A subpoena directed to a witness outside the state of Idaho must be issued under the circumstances and in the manner and be served as provided by law...."
 
My interest in piqued. What could the first floor room-mate know that would somehow exonerate BK? I can't think of anything so powerful it would prevent a trial.

Could this be a way the defense counsel can question a witness who has not been cooperative heretofore?
 
Latah County Magistrate Judge requires BF to attend.

@Cool Cats it is very interesting.
IMO Judge M has more knowledge about the exculpatory evidence beyond what was provided in the motion and affidavit. Could they have had a hearing on the issue?

The first sentence of the material witness warrant states that in addition to the motion and affidavit, the Court was otherwise fully advised.


edit: I have been waiting for one addition to the case summary (I think it was added around 4/11 iirc) to make it to the cases of interest page. On 3/28 there was a notice filed that was sealed.


adding MOO
 
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Subpoenas in Criminal Cases.

snipped for focus @Twistinginthewind The link in above post is for rules in CIVIL cases: "Idaho Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 45. Subpoenas."

For CRIMINAL cases:
Rule 17. Serving subpoena to witness
"(d)(2) Outside the State of Idaho....must be issued under the circumstances and in the manner and be served as provided by law..."
Apparently (sorry I'm trying to catch up), was served on BF in Nevada.

QUASHING, in Rule 17?
"(a) For Attendance of Witnesses,..." Silent re quashing.
"(b) For Production of Documentary Evidence and of Objects.... Court may quash or modify "if compliance would be unreasonable or oppressive."

Sorry if already discussed and questions answered.
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Idaho Criminal Rule 17. Subpoena
(a) For Attendance of Witnesses, Form, Issuance. A subpoena must be issued by the clerk of the court or the judge, and must command each person to whom it is directed to attend and give testimony at the time and place specified in it. The clerk may issue a subpoena, signed and sealed, but otherwise in blank to a party requesting it who must fill in the blanks before it is served.
(b) For Production of Documentary Evidence and of Objects. A subpoena may also command the person to whom it is directed to produce the books, papers, documents or other objects designated in it. The court, on motion, may quash or modify the subpoena if compliance would be unreasonable or oppressive. The court may direct that books, papers, documents or objects designated in the subpoena be produced before the court at a time prior to the trial or prior to the time when they are to be offered in evidence and may, on their production, permit the books, papers, documents or objects or portions of them to be inspected by the parties and their attorneys.
(c) Service. A subpoena may be served by a peace officer, by the officer's deputy, or by any other person who is not a party and who is at least 18 years old. Service of a subpoena must be made by delivering a copy of it to the person named.
(d) Place of Service.
(1) In the State of Idaho. A subpoena requiring the attendance of a witness at a hearing or trial may be served at any place in the state of Idaho.
(2) Outside the State of Idaho. A subpoena directed to a witness outside the state of Idaho must be issued under the circumstances and in the manner and be served as provided by law...."
Thanks, @al66pine, you're right ! And I say, dang, pulled the wrong rabbit out of the hat !
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Assuming BK went to the house to perpetrate a killing and he went intentionally with his knife, plus had been scoping the area and was very familiar with local streets and roads from both his night running and driving around, it seems likely to me he would have decided on a place to hide / discard the knife?

That place would have to be somewhere he immediately drove to surely? And somewhere he was familiar with. So where could it be? I haven't heard much speculation on this subject. Has there been much searching for the knife?

I know an individual who pieced together whatifs on the the missing minutes between when his car was seen racing away from the house to the time when he turned his phone back on 10 miles south of Moscow on Rte 95. I also recall there was maybe like 14 minutes missing where he would have had to pull off the main road and do something.

He did a google earth search and found 5 potential stop/dump sites where BK would have been 1) not seeable from a cameras at a house or business, 2) near some low lying area or form of water and 3) would likely not be passed by a car at that time of the morning and a 4th reason which I have forgotten.

He emailed LE there in Moscow to the tip line....and asked if they were interested in the locations he identified. They actually followed back up with him 2 or 3 times to get exact locations to put on the list. I do not know the locations myself and I have not talked to my buddy for a month or so and don't know if anything ever came out of it or not.

I can't tell you who this person is but he seems fairly sharp and would probably look for himself if he was closer. He says he assisted another investigation but it didn't think the information was useful.

For whatever it is worth.... he thinks at least the knife and the clothes changing happened 5 to 10 miles south of Moscow.
 
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@PrairieWind If BF could provide testimony which was exculpatory for BK in his current charges, that would be allowed at a preliminary hearing, wouldn't it? Charges can be dropped after a preliminary, can't they? Sorry if these are stupid questions, I truly know nothing about legal matters.
Excpulpatory?
Like she put BKs DNA on the knife sheath?
 
My interest in piqued. What could the first floor room-mate know that would somehow exonerate BK? I can't think of anything so powerful it would prevent a trial.

Could this be a way the defense counsel can question a witness who has not been cooperative heretofore?
I might wonder if she saw a figure or vehicle leaving the area but had a differing description.

How horrible to be called as a defense witness when, no doubt, she's not only a direct victim of his, surely she wants only to defend her slain friends.

It seems like double victimization.

I can't actually fathom anything she might testify to that would cancel his DNA on the sheath, but desperate defense teams resort to desperate measures all the time.

I feel for the surviving roommates.

JMO
 
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NEW: Idaho Supreme Court issues opinion on AP V 2nd Judicial District in which media companies asked for gag order in Kohberger case to be removed. Supreme Court said it's inappropriate for
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Per TOS we aren't supposed to sleuth people like the professor or any students who have spoken up. There could be smoke there too. For all we know, all of those folks could have "issues." So I'm not ready to believe that everything said by everybody about BK must be true.
JMO
I'm not saying everything said about BK is carte blanche true, just like I didn't say everyone around him is an angel.

I'm suggesting since he was arrested and charged as a defendant in the murder of 4 college students, we know LE and State Prosecutors believe they have enough to prove his guilt. I guess we'll have to wait until the PH to find out for sure if he will be bound over to trial or not.

Personally, I believe BK is going to trial, not even close.

MOO
 
This guy is going to use everything to destroy the victims and families for the rest of his life.
Victims and their families are unfortunately re-victimized and worse as the case makes its way through the legal system.

I believe the families of these four victims are strong advocates for their children and hopefully they are getting prepared for what may come their way. (although how can you really prepare for the carnage left in that house?) :(

MOO
 
This guy is going to use everything to destroy the victims and families for the rest of his life.
What would we expect any defense attorney to do to defend a client? Calling witnesses-- including witnesses who may also be victims--is a necessary part of criminal trial work.

A few pages back on this thread people were saying the defense attorney in this case must know her client is guilty because the PH wasn't until June. So she was somehow "making" BK stay in jail. Now she's criticized for possibly mounting a defense? I don't get it.
JMO
 
I think this is the Defense doing what a Defense usually does...

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A defense investigator working on behalf of University of Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger asserted in a newly unveiled court filing that a surviving housemate has "exculpatory" information that is "material and necessary" to the alleged killer's defense.

And BF's attorney response:

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However, in a court filing opposing the subpoena, also published Monday, Reno-based attorney KAV argued that the Idaho subpoena was improperly filed and "there is no authority for an Idaho criminal defendant to summon a Nevada witness to Idaho for preliminary hearing."

Idaho student murders: Bryan Kohberger defense claims surviving roommate has 'exculpatory' evidence

MOO
 
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