4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 75

[BeginnerSleuther]

Apologies if I am misinterpreting your post but I took your comments to mean that you thought there was "something to this", presuming "THIS" = warrant & investigation of the DD driver.

My comment is that IMO LE are doing their due diligence with regard to investigating any and all persons who were present the evening/early morning of the murders. Nothing more to it than that IMO.

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm fully on-board with them investigating the DD driver who delivered that day.

BUT they were investigating ALL DD drivers who delivered to the address from January 2022 until the night of the murders. Every driver who delivered there for the 10 months prior. So if some DD driver delivered in January, he was investigated for a murder that happened 10 months later. That's what I find unusual.

The driver who delivered the day of the murder should absolutely be investigated.

MOO

 

[gliving]

I could be remembering wrong, but it didn't seem the UPS warrant asked for all the drivers from 10 months prior (and that magical month in 2021). They only wanted video, didn't they? And the video was for a more concentrated period of time, I thought. IMO because I can't remember now.

And 5 college roommates living in a house had to have gotten a lot of Amazon deliveries, yet no warrant for them either.

There was something special about DD that the others didn't share, IMO. There was some suspected tie-in with BK and/or the murders. MOO.

Correct on the UPS. It's a much shorter time period, just one week before the event. Another difference with the UPS warrant is that it's for the videos of deliveries for the entire town of Moscow, not just 1122. I have so many questions lol

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case... Seal Redact - United Parcel Service UPS.pdf (see page 11)

Any and all video that is recorded and stored on any delivery trucks that were in Moscow Idaho between the dates of November 6th 2022 through November 14th 2022,

 

[10ofRods]

IMHO Regardless of whether he is isolated or with the general population, it seems unlikely that BK would bond with other jailers. This is a man who is socially awkward. He seems able to "sell himself" to professionals (look at how he charmed his professors until he wasn't charming any more) yet cannot engage with the public or his peers. So far, there is nothing to indicate he was exceptionally close to any one and his current crowd may or may not be warming up to him. He manages to get what he needs in jail. They have been trying to give him his vegan diet.
BK made mistakes. With juries now days you never know how it will turn out. If he is acquitted for these crimes, I wonder if he can control his deep dark passenger or would he do it again because he enjoyed it? Only time will tell.

I am curious why you say he "charmed" his professors. Only one professor has spoken out favorably about him, and she says she never met him. She did not say he was charming, she said he was "brilliant."

There's a big difference between a very smart person and a charming person. BK is described as very intelligent by fellow students at WSU as well. This is of course the type of intelligence required in behavioral science classrooms, not a global intelligence measure. You can probably sight far more intelligent and far more charming people in the wild.

IMO.

 

[whiterhino]

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm fully on-board with them investigating the DD driver who delivered that day.

BUT they were investigating ALL DD drivers who delivered to the address from January 2022 until the night of the murders. Every driver who delivered there for the 10 months prior. So if some DD driver delivered in January, he was investigated for a murder that happened 10 months later. That's what I find unusual.

The driver who delivered the day of the murder should absolutely be investigated.

MOO

Apologies for misunderstanding!

I'd missed the detail about LE looking so deeply into the DD deliveries. Wasn't sure where you were going with your post about there being something to it as I had misread.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Apologies for misunderstanding!

I'd missed the detail about LE looking so deeply into the DD deliveries. Wasn't sure where you were going with your post about there being something to it as I had misread.

No worries. I do it all the time lol

 

[10ofRods]

So have you all decided whether it was all DoorDash drivers operating out of Pullman or just one? Or is it all DoorDash drivers in Moscow? I haven't had time to look at closely at the warrant application. I've seen both stated several times. I assume that means the court documents are unclear?

 

[CSIDreamer]

So have you all decided whether it was all DoorDash drivers operating out of Pullman or just one? Or is it all DoorDash drivers in Moscow? I haven't had time to look at closely at the warrant application. I've seen both stated several times. I assume that means the court documents are unclear?

It was only ones that delivered to 1122 King Road.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Snipped for focus.

I don't think anyone is disputing the above. IMO.

right. one driver - no one disputes that, and yet we still didn't see a warrant for one driver right after the murders because they had no pc for one. Instead, we saw the DD warrant issued 12.6 - after they were on BK's trail - and for all the drivers.

To get that warrant, LE had to prove to a judge that there was reason for the
things to be searched (11 months of DD history and communications),
things to be seized (all information related to sales, deliveries, purchases, and/or transactions made to 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho 83843 for period of January 1, 2022 to present, to include: date and time of sales; date and time of deliveries; purchases and/or transactions; name and identification of the driver; a full description of the vehicles used; any and all communications between drivers and the purchasers),
and a legit connection to the crimes (I think being recognized might be one of them - I remember a problematic statement in the PCA that I raised at the time)

Warrants aren't a 2 out of 3 ain't bad. LE had to have cause for all of that. Case in point: they couldn't get a search warrant for BK's place and records until they had PC. In the case of DD, there's no evidence that we've seen that would justify this warrant. Piecing together other information, it's possible to come up with a few viable scenarios (one which I shared, and another that would violate all the existing WS rules and probably result in a few new ones as well lol)

The scope of the DD warrant is a big broad ask imo jmo ime, and like you said, if it were business as usual, just investigate the driver and get a warrant if probable cause.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Due diligence doesn't get a warrant. Curiosity doesn't get a warrant. Checking everyone out to be sure, wishful thinking, rumors - none of that will get you a warrant.
No amount of opinion or creative thinking will circumvent the fact that in order to get a warrant, LE must have specificity as to place/person and what/who is to be seized along with probable cause to support and connect to the crime - that's what gets the warrant.

Search and arrest warrants are searches and seizures, and the rules are pretty sticky and inflexible. And for every warrant that we see online for this case, there is an affidavit supporting it that contains the probable cause we can’t see. Life is unfair.

edited to add a few links after database froze error.

This is what gets you a warrant:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/statutesrules/idstat/Title19/T19CH44.pdf

search warrant

Rule 41. Search and Seizure (federal, but rules apply although some states have heightened rights to privacy, but this is a good general guide and DD mentions federal below)

Here's DD info:

Doordash Legal

help.doordash.com

• Clear grounds for the legal basis for the request.
• Detailed specifics on the information requested. We will be unable to process overly broad or vague requests that do not identify the specific information sought.
• The name of the issuing authority, the badge/ID number of the responsible agent or officer, an email address from a law-enforcement domain, and a direct contact number for the responsible agent or officer.

For requests around specific communications between people using DoorDash, we generally require a search warrant issued under the procedures described in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or equivalent state warrant procedures.

 

[whiterhino]

Due diligence doesn't get a warrant. Curiosity doesn't get a warrant. Checking everyone out to be sure, wishful thinking, rumors - none of that will get you a warrant.
No amount of opinion or creative thinking will circumvent the fact that in order to get a warrant, LE must have specificity as to place/person and what/who is to be seized along with probable cause to support and connect to the crime - that's what gets the warrant.

Search and arrest warrants are searches and seizures, and the rules are pretty sticky and inflexible. And for every warrant that we see online for this case, there is an affidavit supporting it that contains the probable cause we can’t see. Life is unfair.

edited to add a few links after database froze error.

This is what gets you a warrant:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/statutesrules/idstat/Title19/T19CH44.pdf

search warrant

Rule 41. Search and Seizure (federal, but rules apply although some states have heightened rights to privacy, but this is a good general guide and DD mentions federal below)

Here's DD info:

Doordash Legal

help.doordash.com

• Clear grounds for the legal basis for the request.
• Detailed specifics on the information requested. We will be unable to process overly broad or vague requests that do not identify the specific information sought.
• The name of the issuing authority, the badge/ID number of the responsible agent or officer, an email address from a law-enforcement domain, and a direct contact number for the responsible agent or officer.

For requests around specific communications between people using DoorDash, we generally require a search warrant issued under the procedures described in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or equivalent state warrant procedures.

Just to clear up any confusion in the thread, my comment about "due diligence" pertains to having misread/misunderstood another posters comment regarding the search warrants involving DD delivery persons.

@BeginnerSleuther had commented that they thought there was more to the search warrants involving DD. I mistook their comment for suspicion of the DD delivery person (the one from the night of the murders). My comment was that IMO LE executing a search warrant for the DD driver was simply LE "doing their due diligence" as I thought the warrants pertained to the one specific DD delivery driver from the night/morning of the murders.

You are both correct though. There must be more to this whole DD thing considering the length LE has gone to obtain so many warrants.

Just a passing thought, is it possible that LE are cross referencing delivery times with BKs' phone pings in the area of Pullman? Maybe BK previously attempted to enter the home or stalked the area using DD as some kind of ruse, decoy or distraction? MOO speculation.

I am still somewhat flabbergasted that BK had the nerve to follow through after such a close call with the DD driver having been *right there* within minutes of BK entering the house. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

Just to clear up any confusion in the thread, my comment about "due diligence" pertains to having misread/misunderstood another posters comment regarding the search warrants involving DD delivery persons.

@BeginnerSleuther had commented that they thought there was more to the search warrants involving DD. I mistook their comment for suspicion of the DD delivery person (the one from the night of the murders). My comment was that IMO LE executing a search warrant for the DD driver was simply LE "doing their due diligence" as I thought the warrants pertained to the one specific DD delivery driver from the night/morning of the murders.

You are both correct though. There must be more to this whole DD thing considering the length LE has gone to obtain so many warrants.

Just a passing thought, is it possible that LE are cross referencing delivery times with BKs' phone pings in the area of Pullman? Maybe BK previously attempted to enter the home or stalked the area using DD as some kind of ruse, decoy or distraction? MOO speculation.

I am still somewhat flabbergasted that BK had the nerve to follow through after such a close call with the DD driver having been *right there* within minutes of BK entering the house. JMO.

I am thinking that it is not likely that BK would have seen the DD delivery, otherwise he would have known that not all of the occupants of the house were in bed and sleeping. It's possible they missed each other by just a few minutes.

 

[schooling]

I agree when it comes to the DD driver who dropped food off at 4 am on the night of the murder. But if they're going to then investigate all DD drivers who delivered to that address (even the ones who DIDN'T deliver on the night of the murder), then why don't they do that for every murder? JMO.

That list of people who delivered to that house is probably not as long as you'd imagine. IMO

They don't do that for every murder is because not every murder has a 4am delivery made minutes before LE thinks they started. If that was Domino's pizza LE would likely do the same thing. Investigating everyone who worked at that store over during a certain time frame.

I couldn't imagine another scenario where the last person to the see the victims alive wouldn't be up there in the POI. And the car that likely committed the murder at the same exact time they arrived (could the DD driver have left the door open? was that part of the plan to do it at delivery? 4am is very late for coincidences like this) doest look great.

So that leads LE down a trail. A dead end trail.

BK acted alone. He made mistakes because he over estimated his ability to plan and prepare both physically and mentally.

All my option, of course.

 

[schooling]

Correct on the UPS. It's a much shorter time period, just one week before the event. Another difference with the UPS warrant is that it's for the videos of deliveries for the entire town of Moscow, not just 1122. I have so many questions lol

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - United Parcel Service UPS.pdf (see page 11)

Any and all video that is recorded and stored on any delivery trucks that were in Moscow Idaho between the dates of November 6th 2022 through November 14th 2022,

I bet they have video or a picture of BK's car (yes, I think he did it) where a UPS truck might have a clear line of site to him, his plate, and the car. Why that wide of a scope for dates and trucks....no clue.

 

[gizmobtj]

Yes, why have the warrant go back ten months to Jan 2022? I guess we'll have to wait and see. : )

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - DoorDash Inc.pdf (see page 11)

All information in your possession or control related to sales, deliveries, purchases, and/or transactions made to 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho
83843 for time period of January 1, 2022 to present, to include:
date and time of sales;
date and time of deliveries;
purchases and/or transactions;
name and identification of the driver;
full description ofthe vehicles used;
any and all communications between drivers and the purchasers;

Possibly it went back that long to get pattern-of-life information

 

[jepop]

IIRC, I believe they had both Paypal/Venmo and Square/Block. It didn't say Cash App, even though that's a possibility.

MOO but I do think the warrant for Block probably was related to Cashapp

"On 11/19/22, I obtained a search warrant for Block (Cashapp);" (p6 of 19 in the doc).

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Block.pdf

 

[DeDee]

Yes, why have the warrant go back ten months to Jan 2022? I guess we'll have to wait and see. : )

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - DoorDash Inc.pdf (see page 11)

All information in your possession or control related to sales, deliveries, purchases, and/or transactions made to 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho
83843 for time period of January 1, 2022 to present, to include:
date and time of sales;
date and time of deliveries;
purchases and/or transactions;
name and identification of the driver;
full description ofthe vehicles used;
any and all communications between drivers and the purchasers;

Warrant was issued to DD on DEC 6 but LEO could have known about a DD order as early as NOV 13.
There seems to be some, not much, data Redacted


Most everyone assumes the JitB bag by the kitchen sink was indicative of Xana's last meal delivered by DD. We don't know that as a fact. 1122 House's kitchen was a mess with trash and dirty dishes. The drink next to the JitB bag is from Starbucks (TY, Boundless). The subpoena will help prove food from that JitB bag and a DD order placed then delivered @ 4am are one and the same.

Autopsies were over for Xana. They possibly knew her stomach contents when seeking this data.

They may be looking for patterns, too. How frequently was a DD delivered to 1122? Maybe they're looking into the payments for the deliveries. Did BK use a fake ID in order to work for DD incognito? I'd love to be on the receiving end of the inventory return for analysis.

<modsnip: inaccurate info>

DEC 15, 2022
https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24752/11-23-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

 

[jepop]

Bringing this forward:

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

While I cannot say whether Google blurred the area or not, I would like to say that we y'all have the option to blur your own homes out on Google maps. I did this myself years ago for security purposes. Hope this info is helpful and still relevant as I did it years ago. First go to google...

www.websleuths.com

I agree with you that all of this doesn't point exclusively to BK and I appreciate your logical thoughts here. Beyond the searched they would normally go through as part of the initial stages of the investigation, I'm sure they were also making sure they couldn't be reasonably accused of ignoring or not even looking for other possible suspects. That would be a very bad look in a possible capital case.

I agree, LE would attempt to follow up on all credible leads and not only before BK came on the radar. AFter (in December) IMO also. In some cases that may have involved applying for warrants (however PC was was proven, ie confidential source, prior investigation by LE that lead to credible suspicion or other). MOO

 

[Boxer]

They are being thorough. They wantcconviction not just an arrest.

 

[gliving]

Warrant was issued to DD on DEC 6 but LEO could have known about a DD order as early as NOV 13.
There seems to be some, not much, data Redacted
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Most everyone assumes the JitB bag by the kitchen sink was indicative of Xana's last meal delivered by DD. We don't know that as a fact. 1122 House's kitchen was a mess with trash and dirty dishes. The drink next to the JitB bag is from Starbucks (TY, Boundless). The subpoena will help prove food from that JitB bag and a DD order placed then delivered @ 4am are one and the same.

Autopsies were over for Xana. They possibly knew her stomach contents when seeking this data.

They may be looking for patterns, too. How frequently was a DD delivered to 1122? Maybe they're looking into the payments for the deliveries. Did BK use a fake ID in order to work for DD incognito? I'd love to be on the receiving end of the inventory return for analysis.

<modsnip: inaccurate info>

DEC 15, 2022
https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24752/11-23-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

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You bring up a good point. Wasn't it Kaylee's sister who alerted us to the Grubhub video, the not-uber driver dropping KG and MM off and the Doordash delivery?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

That list of people who delivered to that house is probably not as long as you'd imagine. IMO

They don't do that for every murder is because not every murder has a 4am delivery made minutes before LE thinks they started. If that was Domino's pizza LE would likely do the same thing. Investigating everyone who worked at that store over during a certain time frame.

I couldn't imagine another scenario where the last person to the see the victims alive wouldn't be up there in the POI. And the car that likely committed the murder at the same exact time they arrived (could the DD driver have left the door open? was that part of the plan to do it at delivery? 4am is very late for coincidences like this) doest look great.

So that leads LE down a trail. A dead end trail.

BK acted alone. He made mistakes because he over estimated his ability to plan and prepare both physically and mentally.

All my option, of course.

We'll see at trial how open and shut it is. I just don't think it's normal to investigate 10 months of DD drivers, no matter who was the last to see the victims. I really don't think this is just a case of infatuation or anger that someone ignored his DMs. I think there's a lot of complexity to this case that tends to be overlooked and minimized, even if the end result is still that BK is guilty and that he acted alone.

MOO.