4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 76

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Ditto. I'm showing amazing restraint here. I have taken all the facts, and woven different scenarios that could potentially explain the facts as presented, questions that I've got (I don't succumb to pat answers without fact for support; opinions expressed with certainty are not fact), and dates/scope of warrants, and have come up with a number of possible scenarios. imo jmo ime I think we'll learn a lot during this trial, and I think there are surprises in store. This does not appear to be a one-size-fits-all case with a simple explanation, though I know many disagree, and I know ICBW. My theories and the possible scenarios have morphed over the past few months, and I suspect that will continue to be the case. jmo imo ime.

Respectfully, do you imply that others here do succumb? It sounds that way. I think most here do not want pat answers, but we do have different experiences, each of us. Your views are of course also opinion, but I'm not going to say your views are "pat." I rarely see opinions without MOO beside them. IMO.

What does ICBW mean?

I have as many lurid scenarios as anyone could want - but I agree, no need to post them. Closer to the Prelim, maybe some of us will.

Right now, I'm mulling over the information we have about BK posting on MM's Instagram (repeatedly) 3 weeks before the murders, to see what evidence I can find that would make that a weak theory. There's a bunch of other stuff like that. The search warrants issued are a big pile of hard-to-read clues, for sure.

IMO.
 
Respectfully, do you imply that others here do succumb? It sounds that way. I think most here do not want pat answers, but we do have different experiences, each of us. Your views are of course also opinion, but I'm not going to say your views are "pat." I rarely see opinions without MOO beside them. IMO.

What does ICBW mean?

I have as many lurid scenarios as anyone could want - but I agree, no need to post them. Closer to the Prelim, maybe some of us will.

Right now, I'm mulling over the information we have about BK posting on MM's Instagram (repeatedly) 3 weeks before the murders, to see what evidence I can find that would make that a weak theory. There's a bunch of other stuff like that. The search warrants issued are a big pile of hard-to-read clues, for sure.

IMO.
So far we haven't seen a Meta Platforms Inc search warrant in BK's name.
 
The onside of a snap is
RSBM
I love your whole post and wanted to respond to the bolded.
PCR is a polymerase chain reaction. It is a process that amplifies and replicates the target DNA sequence so that it can be used for other tests. I know from experience that this is one of the first processes used when handling a DNA sample; this is one of the tests to know if you have a viable sample.
I'm impressed, to be honest. I understand the DNA part, but how they got the sample from the inside opening of the button is beyond me, I did grow some pretty nasty stuff from swabbing the elevator button and growing it in a dish for a few weeks. So gross.
JME (Recent biotechnology grad)
Moo the underside of a snap top or the backing clasps retaining the snap post are vast areas on a cellular level and they only need a few cells to process.
 
He was already very thin. Who is doing the noticing, I wonder. They guaranteed him sufficient vegan calories (but no separate pans). If the report is accurate and it's that noticeable, I'd think it would have to be muscle wasting.
I recently read that someone was surprised at how much bigger he looked in person compared to how he looked on camera or in photos.

So I believe this is an issue of people seeing him in person at the jail. How big he looks, how much weight he may have lost, etc...

Is relative to seeing him in person.

Looking for link, consider opinion without link.
 

this is quoted from the Notice of Brady disclosure and request for protective order

COMES NOW the State of Idaho, by and through the Latah County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office, and respectfully gives notice to Court and Counsel that the State has become aware of potential Brady/Giglio material related to one of the officers involved in the above-referenced case. That material, in the form of a confidential internal affairs investigation, is hereby submitted in camera to the Court. The State intends to disclose this information to defendant’s counsel but, because this information is confidential and exempt from public disclosure pursuant to Idaho Code 74-106(1) (personnel records), the State respectfully prays for the issuance of a protective order pursuant to Idaho Criminal Rule 16(1), prohibiting defense counsel from disseminating the information contained in the internal affairs investigation absent for the order of the Court.


Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the prosecution's failure to inform the jury that a witness had been promised not to be prosecuted in exchange for his testimony was a failure to fulfill the duty to present all material evidence to the jury, and constituted a violation of due process, requiring a new trial.[1] This is the case even if the failure to disclose was a matter of negligence and not intent. The case extended the Court's holding in Brady v. Maryland,[2]requiring such agreements to be disclosed to defense counsel.[3] As a result of this case, the term Giglio material is sometimes used to refer to any information pertaining to deals that witnesses in a criminal case may have entered into with the government.[4]
 
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this is quoted from the Notice of Brady disclosure and request for protective order

COMES NOW the State of Idaho, by and through the Latah County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office, and respectfully gives notice to Court and Counsel that the State has become aware of potential Brady/Giglio material related to one of the officers involved in the above-referenced case. That material, in the form of a confidential internal affairs investigation, is hereby submitted in camera to the Court. The State intends to disclose this information to defendant’s counsel but, because this information is confidential and exempt from public disclosure pursuant to Idaho Code 74-106(1) (personnel records), the State respectfully prays for the issuance of a protective order pursuant to Idaho Criminal Rule 16(1), prohibiting defense counsel from disseminating the information contained in the internal affairs investigation absent for the order of the Court.


Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the prosecution's failure to inform the jury that a witness had been promised not to be prosecuted in exchange for his testimony was a failure to fulfill the duty to present all material evidence to the jury, and constituted a violation of due process, requiring a new trial.[1] This is the case even if the failure to disclose was a matter of negligence and not intent. The case extended the Court's holding in Brady v. Maryland,[2]requiring such agreements to be disclosed to defense counsel.[3] As a result of this case, the term Giglio material is sometimes used to refer to any information pertaining to deals that witnesses in a criminal case may have entered into with the government.[4]

I'm replying to this to add that I felt like there was a CI based on the redacted and sealed warrants and affidavits, and I stated in DM here that the CI was given immunity for testimony. Based on everything else, I also believe that the CI is the source for the DD warrants back to that period of time - this is just me putting the pieces together in logical order, not total speculation. I also believe that a lot more is about to make sense. This is jmo imo ime but I suspect this is about to get a lot more interesting.
 
And then this is the newest

motion

This motion is made pursuant to I.C.A.R 32(i)(2) (D) and (E) and LC. §74-124(l) (b) and (c)
because 1) the documents contain facts or statements that might threaten or endanger the life or safety of individuals, 2) it is necessary to preserve the right to a fair trial, and 3) disclosure would constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.


order

The Court having before it the Defendant’s Stipulated Motion to file Exhibit B Attached to Defendant’s 2"" Supplemental Request for Discovery Under Seal, and afier reviewing the Stipulation, weighing the interests in privacy and public disclosure and good cause appearing, now, thereforerursuant to I.C.A.R 32(i)(2) (D) and (E) and LC. §74-124(1) (b) and (c) because 1) the documents contain facts or statements that might threaten or endanger the life or safety of individuals, 2) it is necessary to preserve the right to a fair trial, and 3) disclosure would constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

I keep asking myself, "Whose life?"
Yes, I keep wondering that too: whose life is in danger and from whom? The alleged killer is safely imprisoned, so he is not a threat to anyone. I suppose his life could be in danger, but I don't know how. As you mentioned in an earlier post, I feel like there is more going on than we know and IMO, it may not be directly related to this case.
 
According to this article, BK was in his early adolescence when he worked at Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes. The owner has been quoted in various MSM pieces, painting a painful picture of BK's total failure to perform at any of the tasks he was assigned. Basically, he was unable to interact with the customers (mostly families who brought their children there to catch fish) and was unable to dress/filet the fish properly.
I'm very curious about the impact these four months might have had on his development. Could this experience have sparked the desire to become a vegetarian, or was he already avoiding meat before he had this job? Was he not confident enough to be comfortable chatting with the customers, or did he already hold himself on a different level?
Whatever the case, I cannot imagine a more unsuitable employment for a youngster with BK's predispositions. And it makes me wonder what degree of impact it had on his grim future.
Edited to add reference: More details of Bryan Kohberger's past emerges
I also noticed this:

the second AT&T

dated 12.23 may have been Kohberger's because of the dates and they were getting ready to arrest, but can't be sure... because no name, and phone number redacted, but if the records were for someone else, then it would indicate someone else was around during that time and they had PC fr a warrant.
November 12, 2022 at 12:00 am. PST to November 14, 2022 at 12:00 am. PST

CI? imo jmo one possibility

and does that in any way relate to a bigger picture?

How is March 1-31, 2021 and how are 19-20 tinder accounts linked to this case, remembering probable cause required.... and

the Tinder warrant/motion/order also has the same reasons in the order:

Therefore, pursuant to I.C.A.R. 32(i)(2)(A) and (D) and I.C. §74-124(1)(c), the court finds it necessary to seal the records related to the search warrant for the following reasons:
  1. (1) The documents centain highly intimate facts or statements, the publication of which would be
    highly objectionable to a reasonable person;
  2. (2) The documents contain facts or statements that might threaten the safety of or endanger the life
    or safety of individuals; and
  3. (3) Disclosure would constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

edited to add the Tinder piece
You had me at “with supporting links.” Kinda sounds like there may be another witness unless these were issued before the revelation of DM seeing the intruder.two more whole months to wait. Maybe the crazies will lose interest. JMO
 
this is quoted from the Notice of Brady disclosure and request for protective order

COMES NOW the State of Idaho, by and through the Latah County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office, and respectfully gives notice to Court and Counsel that the State has become aware of potential Brady/Giglio material related to one of the officers involved in the above-referenced case. That material, in the form of a confidential internal affairs investigation, is hereby submitted in camera to the Court. The State intends to disclose this information to defendant’s counsel but, because this information is confidential and exempt from public disclosure pursuant to Idaho Code 74-106(1) (personnel records), the State respectfully prays for the issuance of a protective order pursuant to Idaho Criminal Rule 16(1), prohibiting defense counsel from disseminating the information contained in the internal affairs investigation absent for the order of the Court.


Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the prosecution's failure to inform the jury that a witness had been promised not to be prosecuted in exchange for his testimony was a failure to fulfill the duty to present all material evidence to the jury, and constituted a violation of due process, requiring a new trial.[1] This is the case even if the failure to disclose was a matter of negligence and not intent. The case extended the Court's holding in Brady v. Maryland,[2]requiring such agreements to be disclosed to defense counsel.[3] As a result of this case, the term Giglio material is sometimes used to refer to any information pertaining to deals that witnesses in a criminal case may have entered into with the government.[4]
Does this raise the possibility of an accomplice or am I in over my head? Or could this be in ref to DM?
 
Yes, I keep wondering that too: whose life is in danger and from whom? The alleged killer is safely imprisoned, so he is not a threat to anyone. I suppose his life could be in danger, but I don't know how. As you mentioned in an earlier post, I feel like there is more going on than we know and IMO, it may not be directly related to this case.
the new notice of Brady Disclosure just answered part of the for us. I don't want to elaborate too much, but I do think it ties to DD and some other stuff. idk jmo imo but I knew the CI was a thing an not just boilerplate and I suspected it was immunity in exchange for testimony just based on the docs and dates and scope - those were never just spitballing, there was probable cause that came from somewhere and BK was in jail, 4 victims are dead, DM and BF were in their rooms, so someone else knew something else jmo imo ime. Now it makes me wonder (as I have wondered before) who BK wondered about when he wondered about another arrest? I have my guesses, but ... jmo imo idk.
 
According to this article, BK was in his early adolescence when he worked at Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes. The owner has been quoted in various MSM pieces, painting a painful picture of BK's total failure to perform at any of the tasks he was assigned. Basically, he was unable to interact with the customers (mostly families who brought their children there to catch fish) and was unable to dress/filet the fish properly.
I'm very curious about the impact these four months might have had on his development. Could this experience have sparked the desire to become a vegetarian, or was he already avoiding meat before he had this job? Was he not confident enough to be comfortable chatting with the customers, or did he already hold himself on a different level?
Whatever the case, I cannot imagine a more unsuitable employment for a youngster with BK's predispositions. And it makes me wonder what degree of impact it had on his grim future.
Edited to add reference: More details of Bryan Kohberger's past emerges
Very interesting point. I wonder whether the knife use in that employment had any sort of connection, subconsious or otherwise, to the crimes which he has allegedly committed. Even a "See! I do know how to use a knife!" thought. Speculation of course, but I'd love to hear any WS psychologists' opinions.
 
I also noticed this:

the second AT&T

dated 12.23 may have been Kohberger's because of the dates and they were getting ready to arrest, but can't be sure... because no name, and phone number redacted, but if the records were for someone else, then it would indicate someone else was around during that time and they had PC fr a warrant.
November 12, 2022 at 12:00 am. PST to November 14, 2022 at 12:00 am. PST

CI? imo jmo one possibility

and does that in any way relate to a bigger picture?

How is March 1-31, 2021 and how are 19-20 tinder accounts linked to this case, remembering probable cause required.... and

the Tinder warrant/motion/order also has the same reasons in the order:

Therefore, pursuant to I.C.A.R. 32(i)(2)(A) and (D) and I.C. §74-124(1)(c), the court finds it necessary to seal the records related to the search warrant for the following reasons:
  1. (1) The documents centain highly intimate facts or statements, the publication of which would be
    highly objectionable to a reasonable person;
  2. (2) The documents contain facts or statements that might threaten the safety of or endanger the life
    or safety of individuals; and
  3. (3) Disclosure would constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

edited to add the Tinder piece
THIS IS GREAT-and a lot of work by you…Thank You :) :cool:
 

Mar 27, 2023

MOSCOW, Idaho - The families of the victims’ in the University of Idaho (U of I) murders received a letter from the university stating they can take the personal items that remained in the house.

The property was donated by the owner to the U of I. The institution told NonStop Local weeks ago that the house will be demolished. The timeline for demolition is not yet clear, but this seems to be a step closer.

U of I legal counsel informed the families that they will be able to gather what belongings are left that are not contaminated.

In the meantime, the letter states the university, "will complete remediation within the house to address biohazards and chemical hazards that exist as a result of the crimes and the ensuing investigation."

At that point, remediation teams will gather all personal items and transport them to an off-site location for family members to pick up.

The letter says the university will then begin the demolition process as soon as the remediation is done.
 
I thought the police dept removed all of their belongings a long time ago and sent them to a facility for the families. How awful that it seems they still have stuff there. So sad
 
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