4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #93

[arielilane]

The state argues discussing points of evidence in the public eye BEFORE a trial could create problems in regards to giving him a fair trial. The defense says the state hasn't disclosed info/evidence about Kohberger they say they've collected.


1:34 PM · May 2, 2024


The state says there's not point in "trying this case before the media." There will be a time for evidence to be released, and they say that should be the trial.


1:37 PM · May 2, 2024


@JordanSmithKXLY

 

[Megnut]

AT is demanding the Judge to decide right now.

He just did.

He's sealing the hearing.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Judge: ruled upcoming motions hearing will be closed to the public

 

[arielilane]

@JordanSmithKXLY

Taylor: There are things in the affidavit of probable cause that have been public for a year and a half. It makes no sense that we can't have the evidence they're citing in that affidavit be public.

Judge says the hearing on the 14th will be closed


1:46 PM · May 2, 2024

 

[arielilane]

Accused quadruple murderer #BryanKohberger is back in court today to argue why an upcoming hearing should be open to the public. #Idaho4Watch #CourtTV LIVE - http://court.tv/live

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786091244978069896

 

[arielilane]

AT: request two hearings a month.
Judge responded: once a month, preferably on Thursdays.
moo

 

[arielilane]

HAPPENING NOW: Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four U of I students in their off-campus apartment, is back in court today. They're arguing whether an upcoming hearing will be public.


The state argues discussing points of evidence in the public eye BEFORE a trial could create problems in regards to giving him a fair trial. The defense says the state hasn't disclosed info/evidence about Kohberger they say they've collected.



The state says there's not point in "trying this case before the media." There will be a time for evidence to be released, and they say that should be the trial.


Regarding evidence of cell phone towers, for example, Judge says, "It's complicated" to open that stuff up to the public.


Taylor: There are things in the affidavit of probable cause that have been public for a year and a half. It makes no sense that we can't have the evidence they're citing in that affidavit be public.


Judge says the hearing on the 14th will be closed


Bill Thompson: The idea that the state is strategically witholding evidence from the defense is "nonsense."


@JordanSmithKXLY

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson

Judge John Judge ruled in favor of the prosecution and he will close the next hearing to the public. He said there's a chance that maybe a part of that hearing can be open to the public.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786097412072952105

 

[Betty P]

AT: request two hearings a month.
Judge responded: once a month, preferably on Thursdays.
moo

If the defense attorney is organized with a team that knows their case, they can accomplish a lot in one hearing a month. Have seen it before, just come prepared to argue the motions already on the table. JMO

 

[arielilane]

#BryanKohberger is awaiting trial for the alleged murders of Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Kaylee Goncalves.


During a hearing over Genetic Genealogy evidence in the #BryanKohberger case, Judge John Judge stopped the attorneys at one point frustrated with their courtroom behavior. “Tone it down,” Judge Judge said. “When it starts to be personal, it starts to be destructive."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786112176849055831

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786125617202938151

 

[Cool Cats]

Thu, May 2, 2024

Bryan Kohberger's alibi in tatters as prosecutors 'temper tantrum' rips claims apart​

Bryan Kohberger's alibi in tatters as prosecutors rip claims apart

Bryan Kohberger is currently facing four first-murder charges for the death of four University of Idaho students killed in November 2022.

www.the-express.com

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson wrote: "With the exception of the reference to Wawawai Park (which is new), the defendant is offering nothing new to his initial ‘alibi’ that he was simply driving around during the morning hours of November 13, 2022.

"As the State noted during the August 2023 hearing, the State is aware that the defendant was driving around rural areas of Whitman County, Washington, and Latah County, Idaho, during the early morning hours of November 13, 2022.

"In fact, the defendant's travels during that time are described in the original Probable Cause Affidavit supporting the Criminal Complaint in this case."

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Former prosecutor David Gelman said: "The state’s response is short, sweet and to the point. What has been offered by the defendant as an ‘alibi’ is nothing of the sort.

"He has offered no specifics as to his location at the time in question, nor has he offered the names of those witnesses upon whom he will rely on to establish the defense.

"That is not an alibi as contemplated by the law. The trial court should not permit the defense to pursue an alibi defense, based on the scant information provided."

 

[schooling]

The breadcrumb dropping during the forming of her argument is kind of wild. How did the judge not step in?

Kohlberger’s attorneys agreed to the conditions fully aware of the PCA(s) out of ID and PA, press conferences and media buzz. And now it seems like they want to change the rules anytime they see something they don’t like and are forced to change their strategy.

It’s the same play over and over again. Accuse prosecutors of withholding evidence “that they don’t have” (judges words). And use and court fillings to disguise PR narratives and create an air of conspiracy (the purposeful withholding of evidence, MOO).

They are speaking directly to the perspective jury pool over and over again. After agreeing not to talk about anything at all. Again, fully aware of the existing PCA(s), prior press conferences, media attention etc.

But I suspect as the discovery starts rolling in and they know what’s absolutely going to make it into court. The case is staring to look like a much larger mountain to climb (MOO). So the best thing to do is wonder out loud what’s NOT going to make it into trial that’s being “withheld” from them.

The agreement is no longer beneficial to BK. MOO

I mean, listen to the defeat in her voice (MOO) when she conceded that prosecutors turned over the evidence of how they discovered Kohlberger. They implied the prosecutors were withholding evidence. Made a big deal through filings and hearings. She got it, it likely wasn’t what she was expecting (MOO) and now we don’t hear a peep about it.

Rinse and repeat.

The judge can’t keep letting this go on.

MOO

Edit: updated to be more clear

 

[arielilane]

Well said, Goncalves' family. I'd like to add, this case needs a new judge. A judge who will give directives and shut down all the BS. Enough is Enough. moo


@BrianEntin

1/3 Kaylee Goncalves’ family released this statement at the conclusion of today’s Bryan Kohberger hearing — saying they are “incredibly frustrated” by the continued delays.




2/3



3/3

 

[schooling]

To dumb down my way too long post without constantly editing.

It seems like as the defense sees what’s going to make it into trial. (Likely damning IMO)

They are trying to create confusion about what’s not going to make it into trial. (MOO)

It’s like a public game of Go Fish. But instead of a deck of cards we’re playing with every single object on planet earth.

“Do you have a purple car with green wheels and a hat on its roof?”

“Go fish”

“You are withholding the purple car with green wheels and a hat on its roof! It exists because we asked for it. What are you hiding? ”

That’s satire btw. Not direct quotes.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

But if his phone was off during the murders and he is still using that as his alibi, wouldn't that be the equivalent of saying him saying "I was at work until midnight, and my boss can prove I was there."

The only time it matters is when the murders were done.

Anyway, sorry, common sense

We don't actually know if BK's phone was off or not - that was an allegation based on supposition by Brett Payne in the PCA.
1. If LE was convinced BK drove to Moscow, would they look at cell towers that were in the opposite direction? Yet, in the defense case, BK's phone may have been on but simply out of cell tower range. There are only 7 cell towers between Pullman and Moscow and no cell service at Wawawai Park.
2. Did LE even check BK's meta data? I'm not sure.

We don't have the discovery or the answer to these two questions so we should not assume anything at this point.

I'm waiting for the facts. Right now all we have is part of the prosecution's theory. We don't know the defense theory although it seems they will say BK was not in Moscow.

 

[Balthazar]

Thu, May 2, 2024

Bryan Kohberger's alibi in tatters as prosecutors 'temper tantrum' rips claims apart​

Bryan Kohberger's alibi in tatters as prosecutors rip claims apart

Bryan Kohberger is currently facing four first-murder charges for the death of four University of Idaho students killed in November 2022.

www.the-express.com

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson wrote: "With the exception of the reference to Wawawai Park (which is new), the defendant is offering nothing new to his initial ‘alibi’ that he was simply driving around during the morning hours of November 13, 2022.

"As the State noted during the August 2023 hearing, the State is aware that the defendant was driving around rural areas of Whitman County, Washington, and Latah County, Idaho, during the early morning hours of November 13, 2022.

"In fact, the defendant's travels during that time are described in the original Probable Cause Affidavit supporting the Criminal Complaint in this case."

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Former prosecutor David Gelman said: "The state’s response is short, sweet and to the point. What has been offered by the defendant as an ‘alibi’ is nothing of the sort.

"He has offered no specifics as to his location at the time in question, nor has he offered the names of those witnesses upon whom he will rely on to establish the defense.

"That is not an alibi as contemplated by the law. The trial court should not permit the defense to pursue an alibi defense, based on the scant information provided."

IF BK's alibi is "nothing" why is the prosecutor trying so hard to get it withheld? If BT thinks this is a non-alibi or a weak alibi, he should be encouraging the defense to present it so he can easily destroy it in front of the jury and the jury will think it is BS. Why is BT so worried about the meta data and results SY found?

 

[Cool Cats]

IF BK's alibi is "nothing" why is the prosecutor trying so hard to get it withheld? If BT thinks this is a non-alibi or a weak alibi, he should be encouraging the defense to present it so he can easily destroy it in front of the jury and the jury will think it is BS. Why is BT so worried about the meta data and results SY found?

I don't see any signs of BT trying to suppress BK's alibi or being worried about cell tower data.

 

[Megnut]

His alibi doesn't meet the threshold.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

I don't see any signs of BT trying to suppress BK's alibi or being worried about cell tower data.

There were legal filings in this regard:
"The prosecution ended their response by requesting that court deny Kohberger and his attorneys "any further opportunity to add to any purported claim of alibi.""

Why Prosecutors Say Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger’s Alibi Is Inadequate

Prosecutors say Bryan Kohberger's alibi lacks the "specificity required" by an Idaho law.

people.com

If the prosecution has a strong case, they should not be bothered in the least by BK's alibi.

All JMO.