4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[Boxer]

Not that I think he's innocent or he's being framed, but DNA is not the equivalent to fingerprints. I could get your DNA and place it 1000 miles away from any place you've ever been or for that matter it could end up there coincidentally, like if you mailed a package to someone in another state, your DNA could be in another state that you've never been to. If there actually was fingerprint evidence of BK in the house, I think that would be stronger than this...especially since not all DNA evidence is equal, like if they specifically had a blood trail of his in or near the house that would be fingerprint-like, but if you've just got some random bits of DNA it doesn't necessarily establish he was in the house link a fingerprint would.

I don't think you could place a few dozen cells in a snap mechanism oitside of a lab.
MOO beyond a reasonable doubt the cells are what was left over from trying to clean the sheath.

 

[Balthazar]

One problem, though, is the cost to taxpayers. It's expensive to move a trial like this.

Honestly, going ahead and changing to Ada county may, in the end, be drastically cheaper than not making the change and this case going to appeal and retrial.

However, there will be a huge cost to the residents of Moscow if the trial is there. I lived in a city of 100,000 during an infamous national news murder trial and it was frustrating and difficult to say the least. Moscow is much smaller than where I lived with around 26,000 residents. They will experience heavy and slow traffic, full hotels, full short term rentals and full restaurants to the point that locals will have to stand in line for an hour or more to eat out, shortages and long lines in grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations, and parking problems. In some cases, with this type of situation, the residents have to work from home because they can't get parking near their work and it takes so long to get to work due to traffic and even if they did make it to work, they can't eat out at lunch since it takes so long to get through lines at restaurants but all the single serving foods and bread at the grocery store will be wiped out. And there were some weird things that were wiped out as well, especially in the pharmacies. Unfortunately these infamous cases garner a kind of sideshow with both media and lots of true crime tourism type people coming to try to get a seat in the courtroom or protest or whatever. People who can't get into the courtroom will spend their spare time driving all over town to see significant locations in this case so the traffic will not be only before and after court. While Moscow will make some money from this, it's going to be extremely chaotic and unpleasant for the majority of residents. After my experience, if I lived in Moscow, I would want the trial to be moved or I would go on vacation for the duration of the trial, just to avoid the crowds and chaos that will ensue.

 

[Betty P]

Honestly, going ahead and changing to Ada county may, in the end, be drastically cheaper than not making the change and this case going to appeal and retrial.

However, there will be a huge cost to the residents of Moscow if the trial is there. I lived in a city of 100,000 during an infamous national news murder trial and it was frustrating and difficult to say the least. Moscow is much smaller than where I lived with around 26,000 residents. They will experience heavy and slow traffic, full hotels, full short term rentals and full restaurants to the point that locals will have to stand in line for an hour or more to eat out, shortages and long lines in grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations, and parking problems. In some cases, with this type of situation, the residents have to work from home because they can't get parking near their work and it takes so long to get to work due to traffic and even if they did make it to work, they can't eat out at lunch since it takes so long to get through lines at restaurants but all the single serving foods and bread at the grocery store will be wiped out. And there were some weird things that were wiped out as well, especially in the pharmacies. Unfortunately these infamous cases garner a kind of sideshow with both media and lots of true crime tourism type people coming to try to get a seat in the courtroom or protest or whatever. People who can't get into the courtroom will spend their spare time driving all over town to see significant locations in this case so the traffic will not be only before and after court. While Moscow will make some money from this, it's going to be extremely chaotic and unpleasant for the majority of residents. After my experience, if I lived in Moscow, I would want the trial to be moved or I would go on vacation for the duration of the trial, just to avoid the crowds and chaos that will ensue.

Understood. Not sure about savings to the home county, though. Kohlberger and his attorney will keep appealing his case as long as there's money to pay the defense legal costs.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Not that I think he's innocent or he's being framed, but DNA is not the equivalent to fingerprints. I could get your DNA and place it 1000 miles away from any place you've ever been or for that matter it could end up there coincidentally, like if you mailed a package to someone in another state, your DNA could be in another state that you've never been to. If there actually was fingerprint evidence of BK in the house, I think that would be stronger than this...especially since not all DNA evidence is equal, like if they specifically had a blood trail of his in or near the house that would be fingerprint-like, but if you've just got some random bits of DNA it doesn't necessarily establish he was in the house link a fingerprint would.

Agree- and the DNA is the only thing we know of that links him to these crimes, without it, his driving around in the middle of the night is just a weird habit. He has no criminal history, no connection to the victims, lots of people own a white Elantra. The prosecution needs to be ready to thwart arguments like yours- this DNA only means he might have handled that knife at some point (but he could have also once owned it and sold it, looked at it in the store, it could have been stolen etc...).

 

[Justice101]

SR suggested that BKs phone might have been southwest of Moscow. MOO that is still consistent with his movements.

There is a gap of time from his heading east toward Moscow and appearing on Indian Hills Drive.
There is another gap from the exit from King Road and pinging south of Moscow near Blaine.

Yep, and the jury might see that as intentional deception.

 

[CKS]

He was driving east toward Moscow when his cell went off line, he was driving south and away from Moscow after the murders. His DNA on the sheath is equivalent to his fingerprints on the sheath. He has no alibi.

What SR is talking about, is finding some digital gaps where BK potentially "could" have been, and AT will say that is where he was.

Is your first sentence based on the PCA? If so, isn't that whay Payne did? Find where BK potentially 'could' have been?

Touch DNA is not the same as a fingerprint. Touch DNA can be transferred from object to object. Maybe I'm wrong but you can't transfer someone else's fingerprint can you?



MOO

 

[CKS]

My thoughts are that SR is going to show evidence of BK's cell phone pinging miles away during the killings. So, AT is asking if the State has any digital evidence to the contrary. So far, they haven't produced any.

Of course, that could be explained by BK leaving his phone somewhere else intentionally—for just that reason.

I think DNA is the State's best evidence, but we've already heard some of the problems with touch DNA and how it can transfer without the person having handled the object. I wish it were blood or bodily fluid DNA.

So, while I think BK is guilty--I don't think this will be a slam-dunk for the prosecution.

MOO

MOO

Let's be honest, the touch DNA is the only evidence they have provided so far that links BK to the crime. Without that they have nothing unfortunately.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

MOO

Let's be honest, the touch DNA is the only evidence they have provided so far that links BK to the crime. Without that they have nothing unfortunately.

MOO

I found the tracking and video of him driving around, in front of and behind the murder house exactly at the time the murders occurred to be very convincing evidence. Unless someone else stole his car that night and drove it from his neighborhood to the crime scene during the murders, it looks pretty bad for him. Even worse, his DNA was found on the murder weapon sheath, at the crime scene. Don't forget the roommate giving a partial description of him inside the house during the murders.

Idaho murders: Roommate saw killer in mask leaving the house, docs say

Bryan Kohberger, the 28-year-old suspect in the University of Idaho murders, has arrived back in Idaho to face charges.

abcnews.go.com

IIRC, the DNA was retrieved from the knife sheath before Kohberger's DNA was tested back in PA near his parents home. No lab cross contamination. The two samples were retrieved and tested in labs on opposite sides of the country.

ETA: I know its subjective, but I recently watched Gray Hughes analysis of the videos of the killer's car driving around the death scene. Very obvious what he was doing. The timing is spot on with the beginning and end of the murders. Very unsettling to watch.

 

[NCWatcher]

I found the tracking and video of him driving around, in front of and behind the murder house exactly at the time the murders occurred to be very convincing evidence. Unless someone else stole his car that night and drove it from his neighborhood to the crime scene during the murders, it looks pretty bad for him. Even worse, his DNA was found on the murder weapon, at the crime scene. Don't forget the roommate identifying him inside the house.

BBM

Perhaps I missed something but I don't believe there is evidence proving the white car seen on various videos was necessarily his car. I also don't believe the roommate identified him inside the house or anywhere else. Her supposed identification (athletic, bushy eyebrows) may not rule him out but is not an identification. Those descriptors likely fit lots of men.
MOO