4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96

[Boxer]

Yes. We agree. I've never suggested the defense thinks that the DNA is not BK's and I've never suggested that I think that either.

I was replying to the fact that not all of the information about the DNA evidence has been or will be provided to the defense as per JJJ's ruling. That is troubling to me. This is a scientific process. Either the process was done right or it was not. IMO, ALL scientific evidence gathered by LE SHOULD always be equally shared by the prosecution and defense without prejudice regardless of if it is going to be used in trial or not. IMO, that should be THE standard in American court rooms. I believe, if this were the case, it would drastically cut down on post-conviction appeals.

The DNA on the sheath is a match to the DNA taken from BL after arrest.

Snipped by me--I don't think this is accurate. @Balthazar agrees the defense has not contested the actual match of the dna on the sheath to BK's dna. To my knowledge, the defense has never said the dna on the sheath is not BK's. It's his. There are no known issues with the retrieval, processing, matching, etc. of the dna on the sheath. The defense has likely done their own testing and if it didn't match, we'd surely know. To keep saying there's a problem with the match is inaccurate.

The filing you're citing is in regards to the Investigative Genetic Genealogy, the IGG. The defense is not really disputing any scientific process. They want to see the paperwork done by the FBI (and it's the FBI who had not turned over what the defense was asking for, not the prosecution) and the FBI was resisting, saying it wasn't material to the preparation of the defense and not subject to discovery.

The defense spends a lot of time in this motion arguing that they want to see the work product because it could be wrong. They argue that the IGG could produce a pool of suspects rather than just one and they want access to the tree created by the FBI. This argument is kind of disingenuous though. The IGG is easily replicated. There's no scientific process involved once you have the dna profile (which the defense doesn't dispute). They admit they've done their own IGG and created their own family tree. They already have the pool of suspects the FBI has and could (and likely have) investigated them on their own. In the cases they cite, the pool of suspects were tested and ultimately matches were found. For example, in the Angie Dodge case, they initially narrowed it down to one suspect, he was tested, and didn't match. It was a tip that didn't pan out. They went back to the tree and looked for other suspects to test. This is why the FBI calls this an investigative technique--IGG generates tips, places to look, but ultimately the match must be made.

If the IGG in this case was "wrong"--if it was done incorrectly, if there wasn't enough to provide matches, if the matches really point to someone else--the dna on the sheath would not match BK. And the defense doesn't dispute that it's a match. The IGG was right. So why were they fighting it so hard? The real reason is in this portion of the filing you cited:

"In addition, there has been a history of misuse of these IGG databases by law enforcement. Abuses by law enforcement of the GEDMatch resulted in users opting out of the use of their DNA data by law enforcement. The abuses and protests by users led GEDMatch to change their database so that users had to opt in for law enforcement use."

The defense wanted to see the work product of the FBI because they wanted to see if they violated any terms of service of these public databases when generating the matches and creating the family tree. This was their only hope of somehow getting the dna thrown out. Because it's his and they know it.
IMO

Well said. The DNA is a match and all the defemse motions etc. are standard fishing expeditions looking for a way suppress that fact.

 

[Trebor5591]

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

Are LEOs in Idaho "prohibited from making statements that suggest a suspect is guilty before they have been convicted in a court of law"? snipped for focus @CKS Trying to find a factual basis for the ^ excerpt of the post, the claim that there is a prohibition against LEOs in Idaho "making...

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@Balthazar
That hearing was about the IGG. The post you quoted was not referring to the IGG. If you have a link showing the defense says the dna on the sheath is not a match to BK, please post it. There are so many motions and filings, I may have missed it.
IMO

what is IGG?

 

[PinkParis2052]

what is IGG?

Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG)

IGG involves determining relationships between individuals based on their shared DNA. When combined with traditional genealogy research, potential identifications of unknown individuals can be made to help in unidentified human remains (UHR) cases or to develop leads in unsolved violent crimes.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Agree. In practice any hearings and trial date have to be cancelled given the case is immediately being transferred Assuming or hoping JJJ's scheduling order will at least be adhered to as much as possible regarding the dates though. Will be interesting to see how it pans out . I was really off the mark in thinking the case and BK wouldn't be moved until just before trial. I think because the COV arguments were centred on tainting of jury pool.

Just general thoughts bouncing off:

Re the gag order, it needs to remain or what is the point of COV; how far Boise from Moscow? Will counsel travel for pre trial hearings or zoom it. Maybe a combo of both I suppose; now the population of Boise have minimum 9 months to familiarise themselves with all the media, past and present and get on the social media train to see what the latest is. I really am sceptical that by next June, the jury pool in Ada county won't in theory be as potentially tainted as Latah County. Imo the most important work will happen in voire dire. All imoo.

I hold out high hopes for the new judge being fair and impartial re previously ordered schedule. Jmo

via US-95 S and ID-55 S (5 hr 37 min (299 miles)​

via US-95 S (5 hr 39 min (328 miles)​

You're probably right about some of defense's team meeting with their client via zoom more often.

 

[Boxer]

Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG)

IGG involves determining relationships between individuals based on their shared DNA. When combined with traditional genealogy research, potential identifications of unknown individuals can be made to help in unidentified human remains (UHR) cases or to develop leads in unsolved violent crimes.

Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG)

IGG involves determining relationships between individuals based on their shared DNA. When combined with traditional genealogy research, potential identifications of unknown individuals can be made to help in unidentified human remains (UHR) cases or to develop leads in unsolved violent crimes.

Potential is the key.
After a finding a direction basically elimination is the next step until they get an exact match.
MOao GSK is the text book.

 

[jepop]

The new judge's prior background as a lawyer appears to mainly pertain to cases in the medical field, but I couldn't find any good information about his history as a judge. I have read that this was going to be his first DP case, but I'm not sure if that's true.
Has anyone found out if he's been a judge on any murder trials before? If not, I wonder what the criteria may have been for selecting judge Hippler in particular. Perhaps it was scheduling/delay considerations, and he was just more available than other judges?

Yeah I'd hope one of the prime selection criteria would be availability in the select location so as to keep trial on schedule, rather than a particular background in DP cases. Think the vocal Goncalves will be disappointed there. Jmo

 

[jepop]

via US-95 S and ID-55 S (5 hr 37 min (299 miles)​

via US-95 S (5 hr 39 min (328 miles)​

You're probably right about some of defense's team meeting with their client via zoom more often.

Hey thanks for taking the time to google and post. Not from these parts and very unfamiliar. That's a fair distance for back and forths pre-trial. Also a fair distance for defense to discuss and meet with their client during their discovery phase. I'm supposing that meetings between them could be done privately and confidentially via zoom though so impact will likely be minimal. Moo

ETA in terms of attendance at pre-trial hearings, 5 plus hours by road is an overnight job. Fly in, fly out may be another option but Idk re budget for PAs on a fixed salary on multiple pre-trial occasions. Re defence, if PD on this case is not fixed salary but paid per hour ( Icbw but recall this was established in earlier threads) then flying or driving may come out at similar cost (I assume travel hours are paid but may be as an allowance or at lower rate) ie about eleven hours return via road plus overnight accommodation vs return flights on the same day.

Anyway I see a lot of zooming where practicable. Moo


Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Judge Hipppler is also the Administrative Judge from that District:

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One district judge from each district is elected by the other district judges to serve as the administrative judge for his or her district. In addition to handling a judicial calendar, the administrative district judge works with the district’s trial court administrator in managing court operations in the district, assigning judges to cases, managing local court budgets and facilities, setting policies, addressing local court-related issues, and coordinating activities of the clerks of the district court. The administrative judge also serves as chair of the District Magistrates Commission which, among other things, appoints magistrate judges to their initial terms of office. In the Fourth Judicial District, the administrative district judge is elected to serve a three-year term. The current administrative judge for the Fourth District is the Honorable Steven Hippler.

District Court

 

[GRT]

I really am sceptical that by next June, the jury pool in Ada county won't in theory be as potentially tainted as Latah County. Imo the most important work will happen in voire dire. All imoo.

Realistically, it probably won't be.

Boise is a 5 and 1/2 hour drive away from Moscow and five times bigger. News of the murders almost certainly reached virtually everyone in Boise at one time or another. Still, Moscow has been inundated with being the center of national media and hosting the suspect in their local jail.

Those living in Moscow likely heard about the case on a daily basis, at the grocery, the coffee shop, the park, etc. Those in Boise probably went about their own lives and may have read something but weren't deluged on a daily basis.

I doubt the average person in Boise will pay too much attention to BK being tried there. Their town wasn't directly involved, and I'd be willing to bet there will be a much larger population who aren't biased in either direction.

 

[NCWatcher]

Realistically, it probably won't be.

Boise is a 5 and 1/2 hour drive away from Moscow and five times bigger. News of the murders almost certainly reached virtually everyone in Boise at one time or another. Still, Moscow has been inundated with being the center of national media and hosting the suspect in their local jail.

Those living in Moscow likely heard about the case on a daily basis, at the grocery, the coffee shop, the park, etc. Those in Boise probably went about their own lives and may have read something but weren't deluged on a daily basis.

I doubt the average person in Boise will pay too much attention to BK being tried there. Their town wasn't directly involved, and I'd be willing to bet there will be a much larger population who aren't biased in either direction.

I completely agree. Plus, while the Moscow police chief ended up going back and forth on the issue, immediately after the crime was discovered it wasn't unrealistic for Moscow residents to have concerns about a killer being loose in their community. So many residents would have heavily focused on the local news coverage and would have spent time talking to people in the community in a way people elsewhere did not and will not now. People in Moscow also may have participated in vigils for the victims or at least knew people who did. Many may have known or at least seen the house where the killings occurred. Some residents may have been "on high alert" looking for the white car after LE asked for the public's help. None of that likely ever happened in Boise and won't happen now.

As @BeginnerSleuther posted earlier, the crime created a "community trauma" in Moscow. While voir dire might identify some of the most traumatized potential jurors, most of the community WAS likely affected. One of the victim's family members said he the thought the trial needed to be in Moscow to help that community heal because the local community is the most invested in the outcome. But that's not the most important reason we have trials nor will a personally invested jury necessarily lead to a Constitutionally fair trial
MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Bryan Kohberger, the man accused in the murders of four University of Idaho students, was transported by plane Sunday morning from the Idaho county where he was being jailed to another county where his trial will be held.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw3X8r3LOA_izZ4r5uGFD62b&opi=89978449

 

[Nila Aella]

PULLMAN, Wash. – Quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger departed the Pullman-Moscow Regional Airport for Boise early Sunday morning.

An Idaho State Police plane transported Kohberger via a plane that left the airport at around 6:30 a.m.. The murder suspect could be seen being escorted by a large group of law enforcement officers into the aircraft while wearing handcuffs.
Video
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw01kCdL228g8v-oKKZqJeo2&opi=89978449

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835347825573482737

 

[PinkParis2052]

The new judge's prior background as a lawyer appears to mainly pertain to cases in the medical field, but I couldn't find any good information about his history as a judge. I have read that this was going to be his first DP case, but I'm not sure if that's true.
Has anyone found out if he's been a judge on any murder trials before? If not, I wonder what the criteria may have been for selecting judge Hippler in particular. Perhaps it was scheduling/delay considerations, and he was just more available than other judges?

I've heard that he hasn't either. I'm still waiting to see if someone has information other wise.

 

[al66pine]

EDIT: Just checked again.
Ada County Jail now shows BK in custody there; Latah County deleted BK.

_____________________________
My earlier post:
Just now checked the jail rosters.

Latah County | Jail Roster
still includes BK.

Ada County Inmate Roster
does not include BK as of 10:00 AM on September 15, 2024 Mountain Time.

Ada County also notes:
"This database is updated every 24 hours so recent changes in the status of inmates may not appear in this online database."
Seems absence on roster is not an indication of problem during transport.

 

[Nila Aella]

Just now checked the jail rosters.

Latah County | Jail Roster
still includes BK.

Inmate Roster
does not include BK as of 10:00 AM on September 15, 2024 Mountain Time.

Ada County also notes:
"This database is updated every 24 hours so recent changes in the status of inmates may not appear in this online database."
Seems absence on roster is not an indication of problem during transport.

I noticed the time at the top of the search page changes throughout the day.

As of 10:20 AM on September 15, 2024 Mountain Time , the following people were housed....

Not sure if that equals inmates changing throughout the day.
JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

I noticed the time at the top of the search page changes throughout the day.

As of 10:20 AM on September 15, 2024 Mountain Time , the following people were housed....

Not sure if that equals inmates changing throughout the day.
JMO

Adding - BK is gone from the Latah page now.

 

[Nila Aella]

Adding - BK is gone from the Latah page now.

Adding, BK is now on the Ada page

 

[al66pine]

I originally posted re BK's jail status about 17 min ago.
then edited a few min ago to reflect the changes.

Yes,
Ada County Jail now shows BK as "being housed" there; Latah County deleted BK.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I completely agree. Plus, while the Moscow police chief ended up going back and forth on the issue, immediately after the crime was discovered it wasn't unrealistic for Moscow residents to have concerns about a killer being loose in their community. So many residents would have heavily focused on the local news coverage and would have spent time talking to people in the community in a way people elsewhere did not and will not now. People in Moscow also may have participated in vigils for the victims or at least knew people who did. Many may have known or at least seen the house where the killings occurred. Some residents may have been "on high alert" looking for the white car after LE asked for the public's help. None of that likely ever happened in Boise and won't happen now.

As @BeginnerSleuther posted earlier, the crime created a "community trauma" in Moscow. While voir dire might identify some of the most traumatized potential jurors, most of the community WAS likely affected. One of the victim's family members said he the thought the trial needed to be in Moscow to help that community heal because the local community is the most invested in the outcome. But that's not the most important reason we have trials nor will a personally invested jury necessarily lead to a Constitutionally fair trial
MOO

Completely agree. The fact that the community needs to heal and is the most invested in the outcome is exactly WHY it will be difficult to seat an impartial jury there and speaks to the main reason the trial should be moved.

MOO.