5/15/2012--Sentencing

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Do we really? Some reason I just dont think we do. I dont know why I just feel this way. None of the case made any sense at all, bizarre and out there when it came to all the key players.

I really dont know what to think anymore.

I wish I were a mind reader, lol, 'cause I have no idea what you're getting at.

I'm also curious what didn't make sense in this case? To me, it all made perfect sense. Although it's hard to believe these monsters exist, they show their faces every once in a while to remind us that they really do.

I believe there is a lot that we don't know about MR. I'd be willing to bet he's done some horrible things prior to this that people are too afraid to talk about, or that they can't talk about.

I gotta say, I was glad to have you here as one of the people to go through this case with. :hugs:
 
So I read the posts here over the weekend, however, I didn't want to post right away. I wanted to take some time and think about things. My first gut instinct wanted to ask you exactly what you heard, then the more I thought about things the more I believe I don't need to know every sordid detail about the crime, every rumour, etc. My thoughts are this. As long as the two players responsible for Tori's death are in jail and being held accountable that is good enough for me. If this speculation would have changed the outcome of the trial that is the only way it matters to me. I believe MR stated in his last statement before the court that he is indeed part of the reason Tori is no longer on this earth, therefore, he is where he belongs. TLM confessed to the crime, so she is also where she belongs. If there were more people responsible I honestly believe if Tara and Rodney had any clue as to this, they would be making it their mission to ensure they are brought to justice also. If it is only a detail of the already twisted crime, IMO, it needs to just be let go. We need to let this family move on and let Tori RIP. With every bone in my body I believe Tori was behind the jurors in that deliberation room making sure they saw the evidence for what it was to ensure justice was served. Point A was Tori leaving school, point B was her final resting place, what happened in between there, and exactly all the details of how she got from point A to point B don't really matter, only that the proper people responsible for this are held accountable for their actions.

All this JMO, and I hope none of it goes against TOS here and WS, if it does, by all means mods delete my post.

Thank you, Nettie. Well thought out and well said.
 
I think I'd like to help clear up this curious rumour. I'd like to reference the Joanna Yeates (UK) case again. She was attacked in her home, assaulted, murdered and then taken to a ditch a few miles away. Because her remains were well preserved in the winter snow, there was speculation that she had been held for several days after her disappearance. During trial, it was all cleared up and the rumours were put to rest. She was murdered shortly after she was attacked. This fact was known because of evidence presented during trial about the activities of her murderer in the hours and days after the disappearance.

Looking at the murder of Victoria Stafford, one may wonder whether she was held for, say, four days, after her abduction. That curious thought could even morph into a rumour. Without knowing anything about the evidence, it may be possible to imagine that this happened. However, once we look at the evidence presented during trial, the cell phone records, the activities of the two murderers, the testimony of an eyewitness, we know that this didn't happen. We know that Victoria was murdered shortly after she was abducted and that Rafferty was with another woman the next day ... that the two murderers cell phones did not place them at the scene of the murder again.

Rumours can be put to rest now that we know the facts through trial testimony.
 
Look I am not running with anything. I am not looking to stir stuff up. It was something that was said that it seemed that all of Woodstock were in the know to this info. It was weird and maybe it is a rumor I really dont know. The right people are charged and I am not pointing fingers at anyone or playing off what MR said during the victim statements.

I should never have posted as to how I was effected by what I was told. I was in disbelief. I thought that I was allowed to write what the rumor was but I was told I was not allowed to so again I am not trying to get people going. Trust me if you all were in my shoes no matter what you would have thought the same as me, it was so bizarre.

Respectfully CL could you paint us a picture of how this story could be true? Look at all the facts which came out in the trial and explain how you think it is possible and maybe that will help you and us to see if it rumour or fact. I don't believe anyone is saying you're looking to stir anything up, just giving opinions to help you come to realize whether you could believe what you've heard. TLM was arrested three days after the murder and MR was having sex in his mother's home with a woman (Haida) he just met of POF. They hung out morning/early afternoon of April 9th, not even 24 hours after Tori's abduction. He then went about his busy life hanging out with other women he met on POF via texts or visits/dates. HTH and MOO.
 
why was some [insert profanity here] spreading gruesome gossip at a vigil for a brutally murdered little girl? someone who can't keep their gob shut out of respect for the sacredness of the occasion doesn't deserve to be in her spiritual presence IMO

and it not only makes me question their moral integrity but also their motives JMO

the vigil was for Tori and someone thought it was ok to spread rumours there :notgood:

 
Yes, CL it would be very shocking to hear someone tell a rumour like that, and then for their not to be a dod on the headstone. It is unusual I would say for the stone not to have a date (I haven't seen the stone) but maybe it doesn't for two reasons. I would say everyone in Woodstock and certainly any of their family have that date etched in their brains...and perhaps if a person didn't know who Victoria Stafford was, they WOULD know by the memorial stone that there was a story with this little girl and perhaps they would search the information and that is what the parents wanted. I am not sure.

I think the closer you get to Woodstock likely the rumor meter goes way up. I think that it is indeed that, a rumour, that has gone from one to the next person. Remember, on our board how we had to wade through the stuff from Derstine for example. And what would we say. What makes most sense. What does the evidence say. And what is the simplest explanation. If you do that, then the rumour doesn't add up. Either way, the two convicted got the maximum so justice was served. :woohoo:

:jail: Wonders if they are enjoying their new accomodations.::Banana3::Banane17:Bananahair:

The gravestone can be seen in the images in the attached link 6/41. A date may have been omitted so as to not memorialize the day of the murder:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/0...-tori-stafford-rodney_n_1520179.html#s=950395
 
That is beautiful, Otto.

That makes sense why her date of death would be left off.
 
I find it strange that they left out the date of death, IMO

Maybe someone has a better photo of the headstone ... maybe it's there somewhere. Alternatively, we can see Victoria's school photo on the headstone - a photo that was taken within a day or two of when she was murdered. I think the photo tells us how old she was at he end of her life.

I suppose that would be the question to ask the parents next time there's an opportunity: why is the date she died not visible on the headstone? I don't think that anyone should draw conclusions that because the date is not visible in the photo of the headstone (perhaps not on the headstone), the parents are unaware of when she was murdered.
 
I quite agree with Otto that her photo shows her age very well - and that the death date was IMO, almost surely omitted by choice. It's actually a very beautiful monument ... it might be a place that gives the family comfort. By not engraving that terrible date - April 8, 2009 - they might have one less trigger to the horrors suffered by their daughter and might have a fighting chance of sharing a peaceful moment with her when they visit this monument.../ IMO.

Attaching (or trying to) a link to another photo.

http://i.thestar.com/images/1a/8d/34d9d82b4d8fb67f35e52dd6d75c.jpg
 
It makes perfect sense that Tori's family doesn't want that horrible day staring them in the face every time they visit their little girl. I don't see it as being anything more than that. I think they know the exact day their baby was taken.

Here is a more unobstructed view.

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I quite agree with Otto that her photo shows her age very well - and that the death date was IMO, almost surely omitted by choice. It's actually a very beautiful monument ... it might be a place that gives the family comfort. By not engraving that terrible date - April 8, 2009 - they might have one less trigger to the horrors suffered by their daughter and might have a fighting chance of sharing a peaceful moment with her when they visit this monument.../ IMO.

Attaching (or trying to) a link to another photo.

http://i.thestar.com/images/1a/8d/34d9d82b4d8fb67f35e52dd6d75c.jpg

That makes a lot of sense, I think you are right!
 
Thinking about this a bit -- given that the child's date of death is in fact, the date of her murder (don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence, but just to frame this up a different way) I think it's a very emotionally healthy choice her parents made to omit it from her tombstone.

It stands as a monument to her life rather than a(nother) document of her horrible, tragic death.

IMO

kwim?
 
Perhaps it can serve as our reminder that, although Victoria has left this earthly life, her spirit lives on within each of us who try to help by increasing the safety of children everywhere:

Do not stand at my grave and cry

I am not there, I did not die
 
Why do I feel like I'm missing part of a conversation? :waitasec:
 
Why do I feel like I'm missing part of a conversation? :waitasec:

The part of the conversation that is missing is: could the reason that the day Victoria died is not on her headstone be that the parents are uncertain about the date. The answer, I believe, has more to do with honouring Victoria than lack of information.
 
There were some posts edited and deleted from over the weekend, so you are missing some. But the important parts are here.

ok thanks that explains why I'm not getting the full story.
 

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