5/15/2012--Sentencing

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Interesting tidbit from Ted Bundy's life--his mother believed Ted Bundy was innocent right up to his execution date. Interesting video:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4iR_faugFY&feature=related"]Ted Bundy - Biography - YouTube[/ame]
 
It's true what he says though, everyone is afforded the right to a defence. He is only doing his job. If there were no defence lawyers how many people would be put behind bars who are NOT guilty?! I personally could never do what Derstine does, but I believe the right to a defence is part of living in a free country.

Absolutely, but still, when you fight to toss out evidence that shows obvious guilt there has to be some personal backlash. MOO!:moo::jail:
 
Yeah! Then how would Derstine go on with his life as the guy who helped keep a criminal on the streets. This my friends is the problem with our justice system. I don't know what the answer is though.:moo:

I don't think that too many murders walk free in Canada. It's not like Florida where the case is first tried in the newspapers and media, where a lawyer can throw everything (fact and fiction) at the wall to see what sticks ... or juries are bored, disinterested and confused about the law. Rafferty's lawyer was bound by the law and if, by chance, the jury came to the incorrect verdict, the crown would appeal until they got it right.

I have no problem with ensuring that a person's character is not used to taint the jury. Follow a spousal homicide case in North Carolina and you'll be shocked to see that in a five week trial, the first two weeks are spent attacking the accused's character. By the time the evidence is heard, the jury already has a very negative opinion about the accused - often because the victim's friends,family and neighbours did not like the accused. When I first watched a trial where that happened, I wondered what was wrong with the prosecutors ... why they would waste so much time on information that was not relevant to the case. I was wrong ... if a man was angry with his wife for overspending the family into bankruptcy, that normal reaction was relevant in his trial for her murder. I would not want to see that happening in Canada.
 
I don't think that too many murders walk free in Canada. It's not like Florida where the case is first tried in the newspapers and media, where a lawyer can throw everything (fact and fiction) at the wall to see what sticks ... or juries are bored, disinterested and confused about the law. Rafferty's lawyer was bound by the law and if, by chance, the jury came to the incorrect verdict, the crown would appeal until they got it right.

I have no problem with ensuring that a person's character is not used to taint the jury. Follow a spousal homicide case in North Carolina and you'll be shocked to see that in a five week trial, the first two weeks are spent attacking the accused's character. By the time the evidence is heard, the jury already has a very negative opinion about the accused - often because the victim's friends,family and neighbours did not like the accused. When I first watched a trial where that happened, I wondered what was wrong with the prosecutors ... why they would waste so much time on information that was not relevant to the case. I was wrong ... if a man was angry with his wife for overspending the family into bankruptcy, that normal reaction was relevant in his trial for her murder. I would not want to see that happening in Canada.

The evidence from his laptop was not tossed out because of MTR`s character but because of a faulty search warrant.
 
Absolutely, but still, when you fight to toss out evidence that shows obvious guilt there has to be some personal backlash. MOO!:moo::jail:

In the end I think it was a good thing he got that evidence tossed out, that would have been a reason for appeal and most likely an appeal would be granted on the basis of that. The jury didn't need that information that information in the end. I don't think Derstine should received any personal backlash, he did his job and did it well, now there is little to no reason for appeal and MR will indeed be locked up for a long time, hopefully his entire life.

JMO
 
In the end I think it was a good thing he got that evidence tossed out, that would have been a reason for appeal and most likely an appeal would be granted on the basis of that. The jury didn't need that information that information in the end. I don't think Derstine should received any personal backlash, he did his job and did it well, now there is little to no reason for appeal and MR will indeed be locked up for a long time, hopefully his entire life.

JMO


Yes, I am still lurking!! I wonder if the warrant would have been correct if the crown could have added child *advertiser censored* charges thereby making the evidence admissible?
 
Yes, I am still lurking!! I wonder if the warrant would have been correct if the crown could have added child *advertiser censored* charges thereby making the evidence admissible?

Good point Tmhco, but could they I don't think it would be allowed to charge him with that at the same time as wouldn't they basically be two different cases?
I do wonder if now he can be charged with it, but I doubt it as the same rules would apply about the search warrants. :waitasec:
 
Who knows what else was on that blackberry. We know what was on the laptop but we still don't know who he called in Mount Forest, who he spoke to days prior and during the abduction. He obviously had more to hide on the phone because he didn't swipe the laptop clean which he could have. The only reason I could see why that wasn't done was because he didn't expect it but when he realized that there was no warrant he had time to dispose of all the info on his blackberry. LE could have retrieve what he swiped, it's done all the time on computers, I think because they had already made the error and the judge would not allow it to be submissible, they left it out. I know for me personally, I would still like to know who was so damn important to call during a murder.
 
wow! Question does someone have TLM statement or has it not been released? What about her court hearing when she pleaded guilty is there any documents of what was said during that time or do we have to wait until the 30 days is up?

Not sure why that doc was made public, but I would think that since we do not know yet if Rafferty will appeal, they are not making any documents public about the actual trials. Don't quote me on that tho :)
 
The evidence from his laptop was not tossed out because of MTR`s character but because of a faulty search warrant.

I believe it would have been tossed out regardless, even if the search warrant had not been faulty because it showed the kind of character Rafferty had and it. It was biased towards him and perhaps would have led the jurors to convict based on his character.
 
Not sure why that doc was made public, but I would think that since we do not know yet if Rafferty will appeal, they are not making any documents public about the actual trials. Don't quote me on that tho :)

That is what I was thinking as well.
 
I need to find a post of mine from 2009 and I cant seem to access any of them. There was something I wrote and I want to look at it again. It seems to jump from 2009 maybe about 9 posts max all the way to 2012 and as you can see I have well over 1000 posts so I am sure I had about 300-500 in 2009.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
I need to find a post of mine from 2009 and I cant seem to access any of them. There was something I wrote and I want to look at it again. It seems to jump from 2009 maybe about 9 posts max all the way to 2012 and as you can see I have well over 1000 posts so I am sure I had about 300-500 in 2009.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

I think it is because all the old VS threads are locked, so posts contained in them are not accessible.
 
Saying goodbye to the Victoria Stafford section here at WS. I have been following the case since day one but was not active here until just recently when I joined WS. I keep poking my head in here and I realize it is not really to read anything. It is because Tori and her spirit have had a huge impact on me in a very personal way and I've been struggling to accept the fact that it's all over and she is gone. Proper justice has been accomplished. IMO Time for me to move forward.

I will be around the WS community as it is vast and I'm just beginning to navigate my way.

Wishing all the best to every websleuther here.:tyou:

With gratitude,
littlebirdie
 
The evidence from his laptop was not tossed out because of MTR`s character but because of a faulty search warrant.

Actually, it was a bit of both. At the time the law requiring a separate search warrant for computers and cellphones was still in the works, so could have been debated. In either case, if the evidence were allowed, there could grounds for an appeal.
 
Yes, I am still lurking!! I wonder if the warrant would have been correct if the crown could have added child *advertiser censored* charges thereby making the evidence admissible?
There would have been little point. The sentences for child *advertiser censored* and even pedophiles are quite brief, under 2 years. Besides, criminals are protected under our concurrent sentencing rule, so even 100 charges of child *advertiser censored* wouldn't make the sentence any longer.
 
I thought that it was really cool that all the bikers showed support by putting purple balloons on the back of their bikes and rode around the town with them on.

The guy hosting sang a beautiful song dedicated to Tori and it was really nice. They gave Tara, daryn and Rodney a copy of the CD.

The young girl that arranged this I think was the same person that made all of those purple butterlies that were all around town and on peoples doors.

It was a lot to get together as the speaker said in less than 72 hours and it went on without a hitch.

They had face painting for the kids, balloons for everyone and even some that were passing out candles for those that didnt have any.

I didnt see Rodney much last night because I think he was on the opposite side of where we were standing.

Tara, James and their friends were in front of us.

Everyone in that that town are very nice and friendly. It seems like a very nice place to live. Everyone came together and it was pretty awesome when the balloons where released.

Her Grave site was full of butterlies, flowers and candles. It was a very beautiful stone.

The stone has Victorias name engraved in her own writing. I really thought that was nice.

Anyways I will try to post pictures if I can but where I was standing I was getting a lot of shade on my pictures.



Hi CL! I was wondering if your pictures turned out from the vigil and cemetery and if you were still going to post them. We haven't seen many from the vigil and I'm looking forward to seeing more...please! :blowkiss:
 
There would have been little point. The sentences for child *advertiser censored* and even pedophiles are quite brief, under 2 years. Besides, criminals are protected under our concurrent sentencing rule, so even 100 charges of child *advertiser censored* wouldn't make the sentence any longer.

Those charges could be added to his file so when it comes time for Mr. Perv/murderer to file for parole, those charges would also be looked at and considered. Same with the woman he drugged and raped. She should file charges if it's not too late. All these things could go against him and keep him in jail longer. I would imagine if enough women came forward, filed charges and if he was found guilty say of rape/sexual assault, MR may be classified as a dangerous offender. I hope any other woman who was victim to him comes forward and files charges also. Every bit helps, kwim. MOO

The same thing for TLM. The fact she was charged for beating up that other female inmate this year, those charges will be in her file and will be given consideration come the time she will file for parole. HTH and MOO.
 
The evidence from his laptop was not tossed out because of MTR`s character but because of a faulty search warrant.

Judge Thomas Heeney defends decision to exclude laptop evidence:

"On Tuesday, Heeney said the evidence was legally inadmissible because it breached Rafferty’s Charter rights and that his decision ensured Rafferty received a fair trial. “Character evidence speaks volumes about his deviant nature but that is more relevant to who he is as opposed to what he did,” said Heeney.

“Being a pervert doesn’t mean he is a murderer.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/a...y-defends-decision-to-exclude-laptop-evidence
 

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