A different Lens? Your thoughts?

[Calliope]

But we don't know what time Dede arrived at work. So she could have been at the school and then went on to work afterwards, to arrive at 9:00.

And the property where she was working has been described as 40 acres, and much of it might not be visible by anyone, which would account for why they weren't sure where she was during her unaccounted time. After all, if she wants to claim she was there the whole time, it has to be plausible that she could be someone unobserved by others for that long.

JMO

So DeDe wouldn't have been with Terri that morning?

 

[Etilema]

So DeDe wouldn't have been with Terri that morning?

I don't know when she arrived at work, but if she arrived at 9:00, she could have been with Terri at the school prior to that, as some people are suggesting.

I assume since people at DDS's work are saying she was unaccounted for beginning some time around 10 (give or take!), she must have been there BEFORE that for at least a little while. If so, it would seem to rule out the idea that she could have been with TH during the stops at the FM stores.

JMO

 

[Calliope]

I don't know when she arrived at work, but if she arrived at 9:00, she could have been with Terri at the school prior to that, as some people are suggesting.

I assume since people at DDS's work are saying she was unaccounted for beginning some time around 10 (give or take!), she must have been there BEFORE that for at least a little while. If so, it would seem to rule out the idea that she could have been with TH during the stops at the FM stores.

JMO

IIRC, she arrived at 9?

So how could she have been at the school? Unless you're saying she drove her car to the school first before going on to the farm.

 

[Etilema]

IIRC, she arrived at 9?

So how could she have been at the school? Unless you're saying she drove her car to the school first before going on to the farm.

Can you show me a link for her arriving at work at 9:00? I haven't seen it reported what time she got there.

If she did arrive at work at 9:00, she could have been at school at 8:45, the time TH claims to have left there. Yes, the idea is that she would have driven to the school, which would account for the reports of another person moving the truck while TH was inside the building.

Not saying this is what happened, or that I even believe this is what happened, just describing the logistics of this theory.

 

[Calliope]

Can you show me a link for her arriving at work at 9:00? I haven't seen it reported what time she got there.

If she did arrive at work at 9:00, she could have been at school at 8:45, the time TH claims to have left there. Yes, the idea is that she would have driven to the school, which would account for the reports of another person moving the truck while TH was inside the building.

Not saying this is what happened, or that I even believe this is what happened, just describing the logistics of this theory.

It was posted on another thread; I'll see if I can find it. I'd asked this question in a number of threads and someone was able to answer.

It could happen but it seems like it would add unnecessary risk.

 

[Calliope]

Here ya go:

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That isn't the post that answered me, but first one I found.

 

[OhighO]

Some are questioning about DeDe's prints being in the truck made me think of somthing.

About 10 yrs ago my house was robbed. LE dusted for prints. They came to me with a list of names the prints belonged too. Even though I had a good idea who may have done the crime and their prints were found in the house. They could not charge them due to ther fact they have been in the house several times and could have touched somthing in the house at any time during those visits.

So...

Even if DeDe's prints are in the truck. If someone could place her in the truck within the past few months before Ky went missing it would be very easy for a DL to add doubt about when and how those prints got there. Now if you add people who seen her in the truck on the day of and had the prints that would be a HUGE break for LE.

It would also help to know how often KH detailed his truck to shrink the window of when those prints got there. If he (or a detailer) wipes down the truck with armor all or somthing like that often that would remove any old prints and new ones would then begin to add up. If he only did it every couple months (like I do) then there is no way to say how old the prints are.
just my :twocents:

 

[Etilema]

Here ya go:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 10:15 to 11:30 Timeline – What has been reported?**LIST**



That isn't the post that answered me, but first one I found.

Thanks very much. That's helpful information.

 

[Nellie]

TH has been profiled from the very beginning. There is very valid reasons for them to focus on her. It isn't coincidence they brought in the FBI in the very beginning - her story DID NOT add up. During this profiling it was found that there is no way TH would talk but she is the kind of person who has to tell someone - hence the chipping away at DeDe... if she doesn't pan out they will move on to the next friend of TH. Someone will talk...

This is a woman who was consumed by crime shows - #1 Dexter... A CSI shirt on lil Kyron? Coincidence? Nah...

Perhaps the different lens even has to do with they both are red heads. Did you actually see TH or DeDe? Who knows but they are quite knowledgeable in this investigation and if they release everything they know it slows them down. If he was killed and disposed of, there is a chance his body will never be found. It doesn't take much to weigh down a child in the water... There is water everywhere here - after all it is Oregon.

 

[CASH]

I think different lens means how the crime could have been committed with an accomplice(s). Everything changes if TH had help. She would need less time to complete the deed (whether a hand-off or worse), she could more easily have established an allibi, she could have been in two places at once (not literally..but you get my idea), etc.

I suspect it also changed their perceptions of what actually happened to K and whether he is alive or not. It is hard enough to believe that TH could have convinced DS to assist in the murder of an innocent child. But to have convinced others to help, whether by lying, buying cell phones, etc. is just incredulous. The only way it makes sense that others would be willing to help...and this is a real stretch...is if she convinced them that Kyron would be better off away from Kaine and they helped her hide him. But that is also borderline unbelievable. I just can't understand why her friends thought it was a good idea to help her escape police scrutiny. These are "normal" law-abiding people in their day to day lives, or so they seem. Who in their right mind would not encourage TH to get a good lawyer and cooperate fully with the police? Isn't that always the right thing to do, especially if you think your friend is innocent???

 

[seeking truth]

I'm really wondering if, at this point, they are as sure as they were that Terri was involved. I'm wondering if the different lens is, "Holy crap, she might be innocent. Who else could've done this?"

How could this be the case when the entire press conference was focused on Terri, where the truck was and where Terri supposedly was on the day Kyron disappeared?

Just curious what causes you to think they now possibly believe Terri to be innocent.

We all have our own lens with which we peer out at the world and it's interesting to see how we can look at, listen to, and digest information and come to completely different conclusions.

My thoughts and questions.

 

[cluciano63]

I almost prefer "we can't comment on that" to oblique phrases such as a "different lens."

 

[Jules71]

I think the different lens is referring to them looking at one person (Terri) at the beginning of this, and now they are going back over everything with the possibility that DeDe was there (or someone else). The questionnaires asked about Terri initially, and now based on responses from those, or other information, they now need to go back over all of that with the thought of someone else being there.

 

[nursebeeme]

The MCSO took questions off camera after today's presser concluded.

The following is from Oregonlive.com (The Oregonian)

"While [Sheriff's Detective} O'Donnell acknowledged that investigators worked to identify everyone who was at the school the morning of June 4 after Kyron went missing, he said that as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that have them looking at information 'through a different lens.'"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html

"as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that have them looking at information through a different lens"

my take on this is that as they investigated from ground zero out they became more focused on Terri Horman vs thinking a stranger or someone else on school grounds was responsible or that he just wandered off.

moo

 

[debs]

Back from a three day hiatus, and this phrase strikes me as interesting, nearly as interesting as LE's statement about the new flier they put out with pictures of Terri and DeDe on it. For instance, in that statement, LE asks for people to call if they saw "any of the people on the flier." Besides Terri and DeDe, there are two more people.

Add to that this "different lens" and then yet a third comment "anyone associated with Kaine Horman's truck"..........well......I find it all interesting.

 

[BeanE]

How could this be the case when the entire press conference was focused on Terri, where the truck was and where Terri supposedly was on the day Kyron disappeared?

I only heard Terri's name mentioned twice. Towards the very beginning, the DA said something about 'Kaine Horman's truck which was driven to the school by Terri Horman'.

Then towards the very end, in the Q&A session, a reporter asked Captain Gates something about Terri - I think it was about parking at Fred Meyers - and he said 'I'm not going to talk about Terri Horman today.'

The entire press conference was focused on the truck and locations it might have been seen, any persons who might have been seen in its vicinity, and any parents who parked their car in the south side parking lot.

Full raw press conference video Wednesday, August 11, 2010:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862...deo_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html&medium=8862580

 

[BeanE]

Back from a three day hiatus, and this phrase strikes me as interesting, nearly as interesting as LE's statement about the new flier they put out with pictures of Terri and DeDe on it. For instance, in that statement, LE asks for people to call if they saw "any of the people on the flier." Besides Terri and DeDe, there are two more people.

Add to that this "different lens" and then yet a third comment "anyone associated with Kaine Horman's truck"..........well......I find it all interesting.

Okay. That's funny!

 

[miabellamoure]

But we don't know what time Dede arrived at work. So she could have been at the school and then went on to work afterwards, to arrive at 9:00.

And the property where she was working has been described as 40 acres, and much of it might not be visible by anyone, which would account for why they weren't sure where she was during her unaccounted time. After all, if she wants to claim she was there the whole time, it has to be plausible that she could be someone unobserved by others for that long.

JMO

Unless one knows "specifically" where the job was actually located on this property and if DS was working within a close proximity to others...it's just a guess about where DS could have been working out of site on a vast 40 acre farm.

I'm guessing that it was a specific contained area that those who were there could vouch for DS's time of absence.

 

[Emma Peel]

Back from a three day hiatus, and this phrase strikes me as interesting, nearly as interesting as LE's statement about the new flier they put out with pictures of Terri and DeDe on it. For instance, in that statement, LE asks for people to call if they saw "any of the people on the flier." Besides Terri and DeDe, there are two more people.

Add to that this "different lens" and then yet a third comment "anyone associated with Kaine Horman's truck"..........well......I find it all interesting.

are you really on a flyer if only your nose & chin make the crop? :waitasec:

what's the opposite of stretching? oh yeah. mincing. :biggrin: thanks for the grin!

 

[wondering1]

Okay. That's funny!

I don't get the joke. Are we quibbling with LE's grammar?