Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #176

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Is it agreed that he definitely does have the pistol in the jacket? Agreed it really does look that way, but could it be something other than the pistol on the viewer's left side of the jacket? Because agreed, I don't understand why a murderer would decide to tote around a weapon that way rather than opting for a holster. I saw someone on another source noting BG is "printing," meaning he's making it so you can see the outline of the concealed weapon, perhaps alarming others around him. Was that the idea? To get close enough to the girls where they could see it was a gun, and that resulted in the "gun" comment on the audio? Or was someone else approaching from the other side with a clearly displayed gun at that point? MOO, no matter how close BG came, with a dark jacket like that, how certain is it going to be that the girls would recognize that silhouette/outline of a gun, if that was the idea? I had to watch numerous times to spot the gun outline. Is it possible that's something else beneath the jacket, maybe a two-way transmitter? Seriously, many models do resemble pistols, they can be somewhat large and somewhat bulky-- but to have a transmitter positioned in such a way would actually make sense. Toting a weapon like that one around like that makes no sense in this scenario to me.

BG makes one weird picture. He's out there looking like he's falling apart and at risk of items literally falling off of him. He looks like he'd hemorrhage DNA at a crime scene. He in no way looks to me like an organized killer. I know many think he operated solo, and I respect that opinion a lot because collusion with something like this-- VERY hard to get, if not impossible. But here, even just looking at the picture BG makes for himself, I don't know how he couldn't have had help. And yes, I mean that looks like a gun for certain to me, that outline. But it makes no sense because I don't think you could reasonably count on anyone spotting that as such in this situation. If the idea was to do "printing" and terrify the girls, I mean I had to sit and look at it for quite a while to figure out that's what the outline likely was, a gun. There'd be no guarantee the girls would even recognize that as a gun, MOO.
I think RA = BG may have had the gun in his back waist band prior to getting on the MHB and in closer proximity to the girls. He would have to have it close enough to pull out and make commands to them quickly, so he could have simply transferred to his coat pocket when he began his stalking of them on the MHBridge.

He sure couldn't have afforded to have it appear obviously from the time he arrived and while he traveled to MHB. The SS is not that heavy of a gun for a grown man weighing 170-180 pounds. They are particularly used for their ability to be held easily in the hand.


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Of all the unbelievable things in this case, this prosecutor still pursuing contempt is high up there imo. Aside from the law clinic attorney filing a brief telling the court NM was asking for the wrong charges and in the wrong court, his opponents apparently have discovery of him asking, correct me if I'm wrong, a youtuber who he communicating with to "delete everything"? Yikes.
I put as much faith in these SM podcasters and YTers as I do the defense. I'll believe it when I see it in black and white.

JMO
 
So a jacket with a hood, and separately 'some type of head covering as well'. Wonder why he would be so layered up on an unusually warm February day? Seems odd to me.

JMO

EBM: Corrected word spelling
On a warmish day in the middle of winter, it's not at all unusual for people to do some early spring cleaning outside. If he had the day off, maybe that's what he was doing in the morning, decided to take the waste to the dump and then went to the bridge for a while. It was cold in the morning so maybe he didn't change clothes.

It's not at all uncommon for men with very short hair to wear a hat. It protects them from the cold and sun.
 
I think RA = BG may have had the gun in his back waist band prior to getting on the MHB and in closer proximity to the girls. He would have to have it close enough to pull out and make commands to them quickly, so he could have simply transferred to his coat pocket when he began his stalking of them on the MHBridge.

He sure couldn't have afforded to have it appear obviously from the time he arrived and while he traveled to MHB. The SS is not that heavy of a gun for a grown man weighing 170-180 pounds. They are particularly used for their ability to be held easily in the hand.


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I believe that is a Navy Seal MK25 (9mm P226), not a .40 SW P226. As I see it, there is no reason to believe that BG even had a gun with him that day; or if he did, it was this specific firearm. He could have had a mouse gun in any pocket, and also carried a full size service pistol IWB appendix, which would never even be seen in frontal video.

As for carrying it in a jacket pocket, pour about half of a 5 lb bag of sugar in your jacket pocket and see how it wears.
 
Of all the unbelievable things in this case, this prosecutor still pursuing contempt is high up there imo. Aside from the law clinic attorney filing a brief telling the court NM was asking for the wrong charges and in the wrong court, his opponents apparently have discovery of him asking, correct me if I'm wrong, a youtuber who he communicating with to "delete everything"? Yikes.
I am not speculating that Nmc’s asking a you tuber to delete information as illegal quite yet. Without context I cant jump to a conclusion.
And none of this has to do with the defense leaking crime scene photos of two minor victims. All against the protective order.
IMO it’s all a ploy to try to paint the prosecution dirty in the public eye.
If NMc did do something shady then bring on the consequences but right now the defense is on the block.
 
On a warmish day in the middle of winter, it's not at all unusual for people to do some early spring cleaning outside. If he had the day off, maybe that's what he was doing in the morning, decided to take the waste to the dump and then went to the bridge for a while. It was cold in the morning so maybe he didn't change clothes.

It's not at all uncommon for men with very short hair to wear a hat. It protects them from the cold and sun.
Oh no. Wasn’t RL at a waste dump around noon on 2/13?
Then went to buy fish at an aquarium and RA went to look at fish on the bridge.

It’s all so.. fishy.
 
I believe that is a Navy Seal MK25 (9mm P226), not a .40 SW P226. As I see it, there is no reason to believe that BG even had a gun with him that day; or if he did, it was this specific firearm. He could have had a mouse gun in any pocket, and also carried a full size service pistol IWB appendix, which would never even be seen in frontal video.

As for carrying it in a jacket pocket, pour about half of a 5 lb bag of sugar in your jacket pocket and see how it wears.
The PCA said that as BG approached the girls, one of them mentions “gun”. I do suppose it’s possible as he approached, (if they were creeped out), that the girls may have been asking themselves if he might have a gun, without actually seeing one.
 
Oh no. Wasn’t RL at a waste dump around noon on 2/13?
Then went to buy fish at an aquarium and RA went to look at fish on the bridge.

It’s all so.. fishy.
Just to note: I have never seen it suggested that was what RA was doing that day. I'm only speculating.
In my area, most trash services won't accept certain types of waste so you either take stuff to the dump, hire someone to haul it away or burn/bury out back (if you live in the country).

Actually, that's the only way I could make any sense of RA's car coming from the east. IF that was his car seen on the HH video.
 
I believe that is a Navy Seal MK25 (9mm P226), not a .40 SW P226. As I see it, there is no reason to believe that BG even had a gun with him that day; or if he did, it was this specific firearm. He could have had a mouse gun in any pocket, and also carried a full size service pistol IWB appendix, which would never even be seen in frontal video.

As for carrying it in a jacket pocket, pour about half of a 5 lb bag of sugar in your jacket pocket and see how it wears.
MOO Its the print of a SS 226.
I personally identified the gun correctly long before RAs arrest. If I did, the FBI did too.
 
Of all the unbelievable things in this case, this prosecutor still pursuing contempt is high up there imo. Aside from the law clinic attorney filing a brief telling the court NM was asking for the wrong charges and in the wrong court, his opponents apparently have discovery of him asking, correct me if I'm wrong, a youtuber who he communicating with to "delete everything"? Yikes.
Indeed, unbelievable! Now, since IANAL, can NMcL drop the contempt charges against R & B to avoid his dirt being exposed publicly? Wouldn’t that take all! JMO
 
The PCA said that as BG approached the girls, one of them mentions “gun”. I do suppose it’s possible as he approached, (if they were creeped out), that the girls may have been asking themselves if he might have a gun, without actually seeing one.
I believe he drew the gun on them as he approached them. IMO you can hear him chambering the round in the gun in the original “Down the hill” audios.
When they released the full “Guys…down the hill” version they scrubbed it out.
Per the PCA he is seen and heard saying “Guys…down the hill” so I would think the act of him pulling and chambering the gun is on the video.
This was never released to the public and for good reason. I have no doubts it will be produced at trial.
 
I have no idea which motion Nick is withdrawing now.
03/08/2024Motion Filed
State's Motion to Withdraw Motion.pdf
Filed By: State of Indiana
File Stamp: 03/07/2024
Either the contempt, so he can hide his nefarious activities with YouTubers, OR, the request for RA’s mental health records, you know, the one wherein he somehow knew something he wasn’t supposed to actually know?? Seriously, when will people see him for who he is and stop blaming the D for all the delays and everything else under the sun?
JMHO
 
I wonder if it's this one? Is this the one where he quoted the ex parte filing?

03/07/2024Motion Filed
Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records. 3rd Request for Mental Health Records.pdf
Filed By: State of Indiana
File Stamp: 03/06/2024
 
I wonder if it's this one? Is this the one where he quoted the ex parte filing?

03/07/2024Motion Filed
Motion for Leave of Court to Subpoena Third-Party Records. 3rd Request for Mental Health Records.pdf
Filed By: State of Indiana
File Stamp: 03/06/2024
Indeed, he’d be wise to withdraw that one, as I imagine it would initiate an investigation he might want to avoid. Then again, he just might want to drop the contempt charge against the D as well. Not a good look for Nick, at the moment. The dirt is starting to pile up. JMHO

Eta: On second thought, I hope they do investigate THAT leak. How did Nick come to know what was in the ex parte filing? Clever Nick, not so clever after all.
 
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Indeed, he’d be wise to withdraw that one, as I imagine it would initiate an investigation he might want to avoid. Then again, he just might want to drop the contempt charge against the D as well. Not a good look for Nick, at the moment. The dirt is starting to pile up. JMHO
I'm sure, that no matter what it is, the dirty D will be blamed for it.
 
I believe that is a Navy Seal MK25 (9mm P226), not a .40 SW P226. As I see it, there is no reason to believe that BG even had a gun with him that day; or if he did, it was this specific firearm. He could have had a mouse gun in any pocket, and also carried a full size service pistol IWB appendix, which would never even be seen in frontal video.

As for carrying it in a jacket pocket, pour about half of a 5 lb bag of sugar in your jacket pocket and see how it wears.
That pic was for illustration purposes. The PCA states it's heard that one of the victims asked 'is that a gun or he's got a gun' from Libby's video. The SS P226 weighs approx 2 lbs, so not sure where the 5 lb bag of sugar is coming from in comparison?

Add in a fully loaded one (15 rounds of 40 mm standard, anywhere from .9 - 1.2 ounces ea) and that's another pound, if it was even fully loaded. I believe it was being carried and used more for intimidation purposes because you certainly aren't going to shoot that gun in the middle of the day with people milling about and not draw attention.

My own weighs more than that fully loaded, so I don't see a problem with RA being able to stick that in his front pocket from the time he stepped on the MHB and easily make his way to the girls.

JMO
 
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