Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #176

[Boxer]

I personally think his plan was to take them back under the bridge and then to the northwest along that Bridge Creek channel. Do what he did.. then go further northwest to where he could cross back across Deer Creek, up the hill and come out right where he parked and not to be seen by anyone.

I often thought that Bridge Creek would be part of this crime.

The Bridge Creek i25 area is an entrance to the woods behind the Williams house, and if this was a more premeditated crime it has access to peep on Abby.


The area is laced with informal trails around and through the woods, and the main Bridge Creek foot path is slated to be added to the formal MHB/Deer Creek Trail system.

I have scoured that Bridge Creek area on Maps and many times thought he might have exited out Bridge Creek, going under i25, then on into what is actually RA's Whiteman Rd. neighborhood area.

 

[girlhasnoname]

7 years now? Thought there would be some justice at this point

MO

It coming, as soon as RA gets a trial date set.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

No matter how this all shakes out, whether there’s a conviction or not ..
Libby will - for all time - be remembered for her forethought and bravery to record BG.

Agreed.

And why did she record him?

The other grouping of juveniles found him to be... weird (my word)... for how he acted/ didn't interact.

I'm convinced that he did cross paths with A and L, possibly just before they reached the bridge. They're heading toward the bridge, he'd ostensibly be heading away from it. He can estimate how long it'll take them to cross ... maybe he passed them head down, no greeting. Again, weird. Only to reappear as they neared the end of the bridge...

I absolutely believe he had a phone with him, just not his phone. I can see the likes of KAK supplying his phone, with an app tracker, in exchange for first hand CSAM. I think RA knew exactly where the girls were, on that trail, and I don't think he ever saw the lady witness. I think he felt he had time and space to march the girls to a secluded location.

So IMO he passed them and double-back, after giving them enough time to near the end, or he completed the bridge ahead of them, waiting until they were nearly to the end, came from the back end, passed them on the bridge, and then turned again, corraling them.

It's this second scenario which IMO best accounts for the photo of A with no BG in the distance. He would have been in front of them, waiting for them, and might also account for L's decision to record. Either way, he passed by once before the GDTH.

I think KAK was involved but never expected murder. I think he thought he was going to get CSAM loaded directly into his phone.

Who else had access to his phone? If he left it at a gas station for someone else to take it...

He's not going anywhere, no need to charge him right now for any role he may have played in setting up for the crime that unfolded...

I just happen to think he took his virtual perversion and tried to go real time, with deadly results for two young girls who had no idea such evil existed.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I often thought that Bridge Creek would be part of this crime.

The Bridge Creek i25 area is an entrance to the woods behind the Williams house, and if this was a more premeditated crime it has access to peep on Abby.


The area is laced with informal trails around and through the woods, and the main Bridge Creek foot path is slated to be added to the formal MHB/Deer Creek Trail system.

I have scoured that Bridge Creek area on Maps and many times thought he might have exited out Bridge Creek, going under i25, then on into what is actually RA's Whiteman Rd. neighborhood area.

Has anybody attempted to map this? I am geoloco challenged.

Would welcome a map of bridges in relation to paths, benches, parking lots, etc.

 

[steeltowngirl]

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Prosecution has stated others may be involved.
Defense has pointed to four other suspects, and believe RA was not involved.

Among the references:

'Delphi killer' lawyers claim teens were 'ritualistically sacrificed'

Unsealed legal documents sensationally claim that the two teenagers were killed by members of a pagan Norse religion and white nationalist group called 'Odinism.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Justice101]

I often thought that Bridge Creek would be part of this crime.

The Bridge Creek i25 area is an entrance to the woods behind the Williams house, and if this was a more premeditated crime it has access to peep on Abby.


The area is laced with informal trails around and through the woods, and the main Bridge Creek foot path is slated to be added to the formal MHB/Deer Creek Trail system.

I have scoured that Bridge Creek area on Maps and many times thought he might have exited out Bridge Creek, going under i25, then on into what is actually RA's Whiteman Rd. neighborhood area.

I initially thought about him coming and going using Bridge Creek since it goes within a couple of hundred yards from his house.

But then I looked closely at the creek and terrain and it is massively overgrown and that would make a very difficult hike.

 

[layer]

Why is it so outrageous to think there's more than the barrel or firing pin on a gun that can make unique identifying marks? I for one am looking forward to hearing about this other ballistic characteristic.

For you, or anyone else interested:
Takeaways From a Refreshing Rejection of Junk Science

 

[susiQ]

Hmmm…..eye witness says the eyes of BG were “definitely NOT blue,” according to LE at PC. Well, they are definitely NOT dark brown, light brown or hazel. Wonder the colour of eyes the Rushville Odinists had?? Just curious.

 

[DeDee]

You put a lot of good thought into that. I've pondered it until my head hurts.

In The PCA, the time KG's white car is spotted on the HH cam is used as the drop off time. If you used the time the family has offered (Around 1:37pm) what does that do to your timeline?

Then, suppose he really was there between noon and !:30, where does that take you?

This case has always made my heart and my head hurt.

If Abby and Libby arrived at 1:37pm, and it takes 5 minutes to get to the start of the bridge, then it's 1:42pm or 23 minutes until the first snap is taken at 2:05.

23 minutes? They didn't walk that slowly, did they? Is their arrival time accurate at 1:37pm?

Arrived at 1:37pm and kidnapped by 2:15pm is 38+/- minutes.

Something had to take up almost 20min of their time before the first photo was taken. What were they doing? I wish they'd stayed home.

 

[lightofmine99]

Hmmm…..eye witness says the eyes of BG were “definitely NOT blue,” according to LE at PC. Well, they are definitely NOT dark brown, light brown or hazel. Wonder the colour of eyes the Rushville Odinists had?? Just curious.

How reliable are eye witness accounts related to eye color? If you asked me to name all my coworkers' eye colors - people I see five days a week - I wouldn't remember like 80% of them. Additionally there's a lot of factors that affect how we see eye color, like shade.

 

[susiQ]

How reliable are eye witness accounts related to eye color? If you asked me to name all my coworkers' eye colors - people I see five days a week - I wouldn't remember like 80% of them. Additionally there's a lot of factors that affect how we see eye color, like shade.

Agreed, but why would LE then state on Nationwide news that they were “definitely not blue?” Rather dumb in my mind. But, then again, not the only “dumb” thing in this case. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

For you, or anyone else interested:
Takeaways From a Refreshing Rejection of Junk Science

That's only one judge's opinion on the matter of ballistic markings. Judge Gull, if she continues in the RA case, will I'm sure have to rule on whether the evidence is allowed. If it is, the expert witness testimonies will inform the jury. They will then decide how much weight to give that evidence.

 

[Trebor5591]

I know you asked mrjitty this but could I just say...It wasn't LE who said RA confessed no less than five times to his wife and mother. It was the Prosecutor who said that in a courtroom, in front of a judge. The actual taped conversation(s) was by the DOC not LE.

OK but the theory is still the same. <modsnip: not LE friendly> MOO.

 

[Trebor5591]

RA confessed to his wife and mother no less than 5 times that he murdered Abigail and Liberty. Calls were recorded and transcribed.
Prosecutor NMc addressed it during a hearing for emergency motion to transfer.
Defense acknowledged RA’s confessions as well during this hearing. I would expect the transcripts will be released during trial.
See article attached.
Testimony: Richard Allen made incriminating statements in jail

Sure, right, go on and believe that. But the wife is not divorcing RA, is she? As she would most likely do if he killed those 2 girls. In my opinion, its because he actually did not confess and the prosecutor is way overstating the alleged "confession". Folks need to be more skeptical in their thinking, until the evidence is revealed, in my opinion.

 

[girlhasnoname]

This case has always made my heart and my head hurt.

If Abby and Libby arrived at 1:37pm, and it takes 5 minutes to get to the start of the bridge, then it's 1:42pm or 23 minutes until the first snap is taken at 2:05.

23 minutes? They didn't walk that slowly, did they? Is their arrival time accurate at 1:37pm?

Arrived at 1:37pm and kidnapped by 2:15pm is 38+/- minutes.

Something had to take up almost 20min of their time before the first photo was taken. What were they doing? I wish they'd stayed home.

The PCA States that Abby & Libby were dropped off at 1:49 pm. So from 1:49 5-7 minutes to get to start of bridge and Abby getting to that location that Libby snapped the photo at 2:05 makes perfect sense.

It was Abby's first time going across the bridge and I'd bet she was more cautious than Libby, who was far enough ahead of her to have snapped the photo.

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Through interviews, reviews of electronic records, and review of video at the Hoosier Harvest Store, investigators believe Victim 1 and Victim 2 were dropped off across from the Mears Farm at 1:49 pm on February 13th 2017.

Court documents released in Delphi murder case: Read the probable cause affidavit here

MOO

 

[susiQ]

For you, or anyone else interested:
Takeaways From a Refreshing Rejection of Junk Science

Thank you for this. An excellent article! I think Judge Edelman is a very smart man. I somehow doubt Judge Gull will take the time to look into any of it and will allow this so-called “evidence” in. Seems ridiculous (but so was the DQ of RA’s attorneys) seeing that we aren’t even talking about a fired round, but an unspent round. JMO

 

[Megnut]

If RA is guilty as charged, his eyes probably looked black that day. Very large pupils can do that.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you for this. An excellent article! I think Judge Edelman is a very smart man. I somehow doubt Judge Gull will take the time to look into any of it and will allow this so-called “evidence” in. Seems ridiculous (but so was the DQ of RA’s attorneys) seeing that we aren’t even talking about a fired round, but an unspent round. JMO

Agree that the bullet hadn't been fired, but it did have ejector markings on it according to the PCA. The ejector markings can be compared to a specific gun.

Ballistic evidence is admissible in Indiana so It will be a battle of the ballistic experts, up to the jury to decide how much or little weight to give it.

MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

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There is nothing in the FM that indicates LE did not investigate the Odinist angle thoroughly except defense team fantasy.
Maybe that could be proven at trial, if the defense ever allows it to go to trial, but there is zero right now we know that indicates there was anything wrong with that investigation, despite what the defense desperately wants the public to believe.
How awesome for the defense, those princes of integrity, who told/lied to the judge that they didn’t want the case tried in the papers, that they get to spew their tales for all to see without even having to prove any of it! If this was the prosecution it would be labeled a kangaroo court. The defense is doing this in reverse. Feeding lies and half truths. What are they afraid of?
<modsnip> Surely if RA had been arrested after such an investigation folks would truly be up in arms.
We know nothing about the prosecution’s case, but the defense does and they are doing everything they can to delay and delay the trial. What are they afraid of? Get to court and defend the man. Disprove the evidence, cross examine the witnesses, duel with the specialists.
It is absurd we are at this point.
Get to the trial. Guilty or innocent, that’s where we’ll have an answer, not from one sided narratives by the defense.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Sure, right, go on and believe that. But the wife is not divorcing RA, is she? As she would most likely do if he killed those 2 girls. In my opinion, its because he actually did not confess and the prosecutor is way overstating the alleged "confession". Folks need to be more skeptical in their thinking, until the evidence is revealed, in my opinion.

JMO:

The ballistic evidence will be used as a piece of the puzzle. It isn't going to be a situation where that particular discovery will be the single reason that a guilty verdict could come down.

We have to remember that RA has admitted to being on the trail in the same clothing that BG wore. He even put himself on the bridge.

There are witnesses, the 3 girls saw him and he admits that he also saw them. Funny that he could describe them since he claimed to have been watching a stock ticker.

RA admitted to parking at a non existent place that seems to actually have been the old CPS building. Remember that a camera at The Hoosier Heartland Building has his vehicle.

Then comes the gun. The gun that RA states NO ONE ELSE has ever used except himself.
The type of the gun is the same type used to control the girls. Then , the make and model match as well.In addition, the markings and striations match a bullet found between 2 dead children. Is it a perfect science? Probably not perfect, however: one needs to look at all of the pieces and if/ how they fit together.

We have to remember that Delphi is a very small town. How many people own his exact gun, make, model that leave the exact same markings that also wore BGs clothing, that happened to be at Monon High Bridge between 1:30 and 3:30 , that were also seen parking at the old CPS building and were witnessed by several people at that time?

And something tells me that this is probably less than 10 percent of the evidence that will come out at trial.


Sidenote:

We really don't know what reasons KA has for standing by her man.
Blind love?
Fear?
Refusal to believe she has been living a lie?
Gullibility?

Actually, for all we know, she plans to divorce him or is waiting for the trial to make that choice?

AJMO