katydid23
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'Clever' as in finding a loophole in order to feed misleading and distorted info to their jury pool.You're worried the defense is being clever?
'Clever' as in finding a loophole in order to feed misleading and distorted info to their jury pool.You're worried the defense is being clever?
All phone data must have been saved from the geofence - 5 miles in all directions IIRC.What I was wondering is this - how could anyone have records of when a device was turned on and off, into and out of airplane mode, date and time specific... from 7 years ago, no less? What method would be used to store such device usage info, where would it be stored, for what purpose, and by whom?
There are many deceptions in the defense's FM as well as untruths. It's kind of like a witness that gets on the stand and lies. After that it's hard to believe anything they say because who knows what's the truth or fabrications and spin. I'd caution everyone that taking the defense's words at face value is risky. We've not read the depositions they've cited. AJMOJust a recap on Liggett and Holeman’s depositions, FM Pg 129
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“Part V- Richard Allen has no ties to Odinism or any Religious Cult and has no ties to the crime scene.”
“Tony Liggett has testified under oath that there is no DNA linking Richard Allen to the crime scene.184 Liggett further has testified that he is unaware of anything that links Richard to the crime through his phone, computers or electronics.185
Liggett has further testified that he is unaware of any evidence that links Richard Allen to any weird religious cult group.186
Jerry Holeman has testified to the following: There is no DNA linking Richard Allen to the crime scene.187
No data extracted from Richard Allen’s phone connects him to the murders.188 No data extracted from Libby’s phone connected Richard the murders. 189 There is no evidence that Richard Allen is or was connected to any other suspects in the case.190 There is no evidence found on social media that connects Richard Allen to the murders.191
There is no evidence extracted from Richard Allen’s computers that connects him to the murders. 192
There is no fingerprint evidence that connects Richard Allen to the murders.193”
Since it is a crime for LE to lie in a deposition, and we are LE friendly here, shouldn’t we believe them?? JMO
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Is there evidence that RA was using burner phone(s) ?Yes well maybe not his main number but there will be stuff on one or more burners. MOO
Technically the prosecution's job is to find the TRUTH.Is that really either's job, though? I thought the P's job was to prove RA did it, the D's job is to make them do that. Overly simplistic, sure. Like me.
What photos? Missed any that were in the inmediate time frame.Still looking for the 2017 photos of him with poofy hair, eyes that are definitely not blue, and no facial hair.
MOO They do, and elaborate evasive techniques are used for them to "not know."Technically the prosecution's job is to find the TRUTH.
IF in the process of trying to prove RA's guilt, they find solid evidence of his innocence, they MUST say so to the court.
However, if the defense finds solid evidence of his guilt, they don't need to say anything to anyone about that.
RSABBMHowever, if the defense finds solid evidence of his guilt, they don't need to say anything to anyone about that.
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Although this may be true, you would think that everything they are having to deal with, such as having all their filings denied without a hearing,
no funds for experts while the P has the mother load,
We don't KNOW that for sure. ALL defense attorneys say that.you would think they would have gladly encouraged RA to cut himself a deal, roll on anyone else involved and get this mess over with. But that’s not what they are doing. They continue to put forward a defence because they believe he is innocent.
Two alternate attorneys too! They strongly feel RA made a false confession due to the circumstances he found himself in at Westville, likely in a poor mental state and wanting the abuse (tasing) to stop. Thankfully, he was eventually moved (although not technically where he should be) and appears to look and feel somewhat better.
It is odd to me that so many believe the D are unscrupulous cads cashing in on all that money (a measley $100 per hr)
Defense attorneys CANNOT 'call it a day' and walk away, even if they knew the client was guilty. Guilt or innocence has no bearing on their duties as a defense attorney. Our Justice System is based upon ALL defendants receiving a vigorous defense.they have to fight to even get JG to release! If I were RA’s attorney and this is what I had to go through, I would gladly have been disqualified and called it a day IF I KNEW my client was guilty of brutally murdering to young girls.
JMHO
@TL4S So much all of this!
It is a fundamental principle of our justice system that we are innocent until proven guilty. I'm not talking about people discussing this; I have zero problem with people debating one's culpability. But as a civilized society, we are above throwing people in cages indefinitely prior to a trial (I would hope). Time is one of those things in life you don't get back (life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness). Taking it from someone shouldn't be a trivial matter.
As far as criticism of the defense, well, it is what it is. Most persons don't have a job where you can have your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness removed from you for a mistake on the job. These attorneys, on both sides, can lose their ability to practice their profession permanently and be thrown in jail. It's not a game to them. They take pride in their work and really believe in what they are doing.
At least NM knows he’s getting a paycheck at the end of the week without having to wait for JG to grant it. And, lots of buckso deluxos for his experts. His paycheck likely comes automatic deposit. No waiting for him to pay his mortgage. The D should be so lucky.According to the video above , the prosecution also makes a measly 100 bucks an hour.
Well, these defence attorneys could have called it a day, courtesy of JG had they accepted her disqualification without a proper hearing. They didn’t. They fought back. They had to go to SCOIN to be reinstated as RA’s attorneys. Good on them!Defense attorneys CANNOT 'call it a day' and walk away, even if they knew the client was guilty.
They will write a book win or loseAt least NM knows he’s getting a paycheck at the end of the week without having to wait for JG to grant it. And, lots of buckso deluxos for his experts. His paycheck likely comes automatic deposit. No waiting for him to pay his mortgage. The D should be so lucky.
Well, these defence attorneys could have called it a day, courtesy of JG had they accepted her disqualification without a proper hearing. They didn’t. They fought back. They had to go to SCOIN to be reinstated as RA’s attorneys. Good on them!
JMO
What's the basis for her denying them/D? Does anyone know?At least NM knows he’s getting a paycheck at the end of the week without having to wait for JG to grant it. And, lots of buckso deluxos for his experts. His paycheck likely comes automatic deposit. No waiting for him to pay his mortgage. The D should be so lucky.
Well, these defence attorneys could have called it a day, courtesy of JG had they accepted her disqualification without a proper hearing. They didn’t. They fought back. They had to go to SCOIN to be reinstated as RA’s attorneys. Good on them!
JMO
I hope they do!They will write a book win or lose
I would also think that the families of these girls would want the right person/persons to be convicted. We can't know their thoughts on RA=BG= ACCUSED/NOT CONVICTED.What about the victims families and friends do they not also have rights to be allowed the freedom of knowing that the man accused of killing their daughters is locked up and not a threat to them?
Or should a man accused of killing 2 teenage girls still be around children and working in the local CVS?!!
The threshold to charge him and stick him on trial must of been met so he is in the right place until trial. He is deemed a danger to society.
You mean in the same way he stole Libby and Abby’s entire life’s ?
Mooo
Of course - they cant let go of the big one of their careers.I hope they do!
MOO RA is BG. He killed the girls.I would also think that the families of these girls would want the right person/persons to be convicted. We can't know their thoughts on RA=BG= ACCUSED/NOT CONVICTED.
JMO
Good question! Why indeed?? She “feels” it’s unnecessary? I mean, why should the D have experts just because the P can have them? That would make it a fair playing field and we couldn’t have that now, could we?What's the basis for her denying them/D? Does anyone know?
They didn’t ask to be picked for this case, just in case people have forgotten that fact. I for one am glad they were. RA deserves a robust defence. JMOOf course - they cant let go of the big one of their careers.
Would need to see their request details. These are unethical attorneys.Good question! Why indeed?? She “feels” it’s unnecessary? I mean, why should the D have experts just because the P can have them? That would make it a fair playing field and we couldn’t have that now, could we?![]()