It’s not only about the Odin angle. That’s the sideshow, IMHO.Fairly confident the Odin angle will be silenced at next weeks hearings. We’ve heard enough about these folks. MOO
It’s not only about the Odin angle. That’s the sideshow, IMHO.Fairly confident the Odin angle will be silenced at next weeks hearings. We’ve heard enough about these folks. MOO
I believe he could have called for a little extra help until his attys came on board. I find it hard to believe that Westville Correctional is the only facility in Indiana where he would be safe.There was every indication, didn't Sheriff Tobe say he couldn't keep him safe?
Isn't it coincidental that that even the Defense states RA's 'psychosis' happened from March - June 2023, after his April 3rd tapped confessions to his wife and mother? Before that time Rick was adjusting as well as can be expected in Westville.The answers to some of our questions are in this filing. Below are excerpts from the document.
04/11/2024 Memorandum/Brief Filed
Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant Allen's Motion to Suppress
Filed By: Allen, Richard M.(excerpts)2024 4/11 Allen Memorandum.pdf.pdf
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Prison records reflect that Allen was placed on "suicide watch" during the majority of his stay at the WCU, including upon his initial detention in November of 2022. (see attached Adult Mental Health Order of 11/3/22). This occurred despite the fact there were no underlying findings to suggest he was suicidal.
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Allen had also battled depression throughout most of his adult life. He was medicated
over the course of his life and in fact, had sought out therapeutic resources to treat and manage
his depression. (see pp. 45 of INE).5 The IDOC gave very little consideration to Allen's
condition at the time of his intake and initial incarceration in the WCU, especially given the
unusual circumstances in which he was detained. It is also believed that Allen's medications were administered in less than consistent fashion while he was on the unit, all of which would
have contributed to his inability to endure his living environment during his pre-trial detention at
the WCU.
(Footnote)
5. Independent Neuropsychological Evaluation dated 3/31/24 offered up to the court in appendix form.
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Allen's attorneys have conducted depositions, watched video from Allen's cell and other
video from within the prison, reviewed prison records regarding Allen's detention, reviewed
Allen's medical and psychiatric records, and listened to audio interviews of prison inmates and
guards conducted by law enforcement 'officials. Through this process, Allen's attorneys have
learned that Allen has been accused of making incriminating statements to both inmates and
guards. Nearly all of these statements appear to have occurred between mid-March of 2023 and
June of 2023. During this time frame, there also exists medical/psychiatric records suggesting
that Allen was in state of psychosis. (See attached Report of Treatment Review Committee
RC) Hearing).
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All of this occurred while Allen's medications were being adjusted by the prison medical
team, the combination of which factors reduced him to nothing more than human experiment.
Allen's free will was overcome.
Hold everything! I never said the Sheriff "is in with the Odinists" He absolutely knows the guards at Westville are Odinists though. Also, I have never claimed that RA is being framed so that is a sad mistaken belief. I don't understand why it's necessary to twist my words unless it's meant to be insulting, demeaning and intentionally misleading.So Sheriff Tobe is in with the Odinists and purposely had RA transfered to Westville where he knew Odinist guards would be watching over him and abuse and threatened him until he confessed to two brutal child murders because all the Odinists in Carroll County...oh and in Rush County 100 miles away, are all in it together to frame little ole CVS worker RA from Delphi?
I'm sorry but respectfully, that sounds too fantastical for me.
As far as RA looking emancipated, I surely didn't think so. He was quite portly for his frame going into custody. MO, he was an overeater when he was arrested and lost some weight on a more healthy diet of three squares a day. He looks now to have gained some weight but not to where he's as portly as he was so maybe he's eating more buying more from the commissary? AJMO
With the phrases “ it is believed” “appeared to have occurred” and “suggesting that” , I am skeptical there are any fact supporting these statements.RSBM / BBM
I hope they have the evidence to back up this remarkable claim.
MOO
Is the death penalty on the table in Indiana?
It's my strong opinion that the incarceration at Westville was intentional that he be guarded by Odins when Sheriff Tobe, who ordered the transfer, knew that Odin's had been investigated for responsibility for the murders of Abby and Libby.
For that reason, I believe it was an intention to break the prisoner by torture of threats, tasers, name calling and so forth. LEOs task force may not have thought RA could withstand the pressure and die as a result. I think his lawyers saved his life through revelations of the situation by making it known publicly. Not everyone in Indiana is aware how RA appeared emaciated in court chained into a chair with drool running out of his mouth.
MOO
Ok, I must have misunderstood your initial post as well then. It sounded as though you were saying that the sheriff purposely sent him to that prison because of the Odinist guards in order to pressure him and get him to fold.Hold everything! I never said the Sheriff "is in with the Odinists" He absolutely knows the guards at Westville are Odinists though. Also, I have never claimed that RA is being framed so that is a sad mistaken belief. I don't understand why it's necessary to twist my words unless it's meant to be insulting, demeaning and intentionally misleading.
I don't know who murdered Abby and Libby. I'm not convinced it is Richard Allen but I am not "on his side." I stand with the constitution. None of us should be thankful if one of our family members were to be treated in this manner without a conviction.
MOO
I don’t know, but I think he may have been in danger locally.Sadly, that certainly happens in county jails.
However there is no indication that there were death threats against him or by him. I'm not convinced he was suicidal prior to being placed in solitary confinement in Westville. Had Diener done this right, RA and his D could have made that decision. It's been hard for me to believe that Diener couldn't get a couple of extra LE to keep an eye on things until he had an atty.
I think moving him to Cass Co. jail is a safe alternative to where he is now.
It’s not only about the Odin angle. That’s the sideshow, IMHO.
That’s the nature of mental health treatment. If one med stops working, they will need to try another.Sometimes one treatment doesn't work so they try another and another...
It can feel like it's one big experiment.
IMO
Thats the problem, the kind of security he requires is not available in jails.If he had been kept in a county jail with less resources, less security/protection and health care...he winds up dead by another's hand or by his own...how does that weigh into it?
You did not misunderstand my post. Yes, I do believe it was an intentional and purposeful incarceration at Westville.Ok, I must have misunderstood your initial post as well then. It sounded as though you were saying that the sheriff purposely sent him to that prison because of the Odinist guards in order to pressure him and get him to fold.
You said:
"For that reason, I believe it was an intention to break the prisoner by torture of threats, tasers, name calling and so forth. LEOs task force may not have thought RA could withstand the pressure and die as a result "
To be fair, I don't think anyone was trying to twist your words. It seemed pretty clear that you felt the Sheriff purposely sent him to a place where the Odinist guards would be there to threaten him and pressure him and that the Sheriff knew the Odinists had been suspected of the crimes. IMO JMO
Continuance has been filed formally. Is this number 2? They can do this total of 3 times right?
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I agree. I do hope though that they can maybe choose a few reporters and put them in a room with their phones/tablets with the trial piped in on audio. At least that way the public can get real time reporting and more content of the testimony and exhibits. I don't know if that's even done?
And still a long way to go, it seems. But who knows what news tomorrow will bring?It appears that we have exhausted things to talk about that are of substance.
Round and round and round we go.
Such a shame it has come this.
MOO JMO IMHO and all that jazz.
I don’t know, but I think he may have been in danger locally.
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Cass Co. said they could take care of him and keep him safe.Thats the problem, the kind of security he requires is not available in jails.