Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188

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You know what we didn't hear about?? Any concern that poor RA is innocent and being railroaded. No talking about how can we prove he didn't do this or what evidence do we have that shows he couldn't be BG. No just doxing jurors, recognizing that the Odin theory proposed was bogus and had no weight, and creating a mistrial?? Why would they want to do that?? Why would they not want a trial, where he could be found not guilty based on evidence (or a lack thereof if that is what the case may be) This is where I have a hard time because a fair trial yes, but winning at any and all cost just to "win".. I can't support that or any of these back handed ideas to manipulate the trial. Because what if RA really did it? Do any of them care about that or just holding to their publicly stated opinions about him and not wanting to back track?

PS: Sounds like that is exactly why the guy backed out of this and shared the account with MS. He tried to voice an opposing opinion and he was shot down. He didn't feel comfortable with what they were doing and posting and was worried that he would be linked to what they were willing to do and say. He didn't like the fact they wouldn't even entertain any other ideas or wouldn't question things about RA. He opted to shut it down so he was no longer tied to these views and these tactics and to protect himself in the event they posted or did something from his account that would be connected to him as well. Seems like he made a good choice.
As to the bolded above, That is my biggest takeaway.

The best explanation and justification that the defense team had for their crazy Odin theories, and constant motions for recusal, was that they were desperately fighting for their innocent client. And I didn't see any traces of that energy in all of these messages between the inner circle of the Due Process Gang.
 
Right, so that nullifies the false narrative here that MS was somehow faking the messages or lying about them.Or it is a 'he said/she said situation. IMO

Both can be true. Some parts can be accurate and some inaccurate because of context completely left out.
 
Can we prove she lied? What makes her dishonest but the “leaker” is telling a truthful account while wearing a halo? (He could be. Idk who’s telling the truth. The content creators want us to take their word for it).
Because her story makes no sense,IMO. She claimed someone 'hacked' into her account and locked her out and stole her messages. But the OWNER of the account already stepped forward, with ALL of the messages, after he locked down the whole Discord.

No one else would have been able to do that unless they were the account holder. He publicly admitted he shut it down and explained why. He defected from the group because he thought they were out of line and he didn''t want to be mixed up with them anymore.
 
Both can be true. Some parts can be accurate and some inaccurate because of context completely left out.
Context wouldn't help most of the worse content. If you haven't watched than it is hard for you to understand how negative and damaging many of these comments were---no context could have saved most of them.
 
Like I said, the two girls made a post a few weeks ago complaining they didn't have access to any of the accounts because the owner, Paul, blocked them out. Common sense.

Ps- I don't even understand the hacking thing if all the three had access to the account. Until the owner decided to block the other 2 out.
Hacking is the first excuse people make when they are called out on certain posts that rub people the wrong way---I WAS HACKED! :rolleyes:
 
She is an associate licensed clinical social worker. She does not have her full license, and is working towards getting it while practicing under the supervision of an experienced LCSW.

I’m not sure they’ll cancel her for her remarks about the families, but might for some of the comments she allegedly made that could be construed as practicing outside of her scope (such as various diagnoses she gave regarding the judge, “in [her] professional opinion”).

There are pretty rigid ethics codes, and I’m actually pretty shocked she was behaving like this with a license that’s so easily revoked.


Everything except for the definition of LCSWA is my opinion
Well, I forget which state she is in, but in Carolina where I believe she is from... according to Google a Licensed Clinical Social Worker can diagnose mental health conditions. Lisette Deese, LCSW - North Carolina
 
Hacking is the first excuse people make when they are called out on certain posts that rub people the wrong way---I WAS HACKED! :rolleyes:
Well I don't think she used the word hacked - at least not in the article I read and cited earlier upthread. She said someone stole the chat messages after accessing them using a password they knew a member was using to participate in the chat. Here is the quote:
And here is the link:
(quote below).

Hacking seems to involve a bit more sneaking about: What Is Hacking? Types of Hacking & More | Fortinet

Wieneke shared a statement with I-Team 8.

“Recently, out of revenge a person who knew the password of one of my friends accessed her X account and copied all of her private conversations. He gave those conversations to Murder Sheet, who read some of them aloud on recent episodes. The conversations were blended together, and the messages were read out of order and out of context. Their purpose? To make it seem like we were “hired” by Allen’s defense team to sway public opinion. We were not.”
 
<modsnip - quoted post was removed for rude, snarky>
She can provide an opinion on anyone - just like anyone else can and it appears that is what these content creators (the lot of them) like to do really. The person I replied to said she gave her professional opinion. An opinion is not a medical diagnosis. Here is the post I replied to for clarity: Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188
 
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I don't know if Indiana has a legal requirement or not. But it seems like common sense is required.

B and R have already had bad outcomes with leaks coming from their organisation. I'd think they'd want to lock down those kinds of situations in the future. Having 4 of their closest inner circle hanging out in a Discord group chat, discussing the case strategy and 'making' future plan ideas to take to the defense team seems risky and problematic.

Just the fact that there are defense team members, like CW, openly discussing the release of the jurors info, to anyone who volunteers, is a bad look. It is unprofessional, if not technically illegal. IMO
I don't know if there is a legal license / standard for this type of thing there either, but if not, then it seems they can use whomever they choose to. It would appear they declined the offer of help (at least we have no proof to suggest they accepted it)... so its all a lot of smoke and mirrors about a lot of nothing that will affect the case outcome imo.
 
Who knows ??
Perhaps you can ask them to display them in their entirety.

I'm sure we would all like to see them.
Meh... not interested in chasing them down... nor listening to them... if they want to produce it that's up to them.
 
Forgive me but I have like a zilllion podcasts in my brain. What is the MS podcast as it relates to this case? Thanks
 
BBM I hope so. She should not be the one asked to comfort crime victims or orphaned children, IMO.
Well, I don't actually know what type of practice she wants to do / is doing at the moment, and it doesn't make her sound the most compassionate when we hear she has said unkind things about the family, but maybe there is some reason why she holds the opinions she holds about the family that we are not really privy to. I've said this before, everyone has opinions on just about everything. I'd be willing to bet some of the members here have private view points on key players in various cases that they don't express in the main thread as it is against the TOS. We may not like when people express public views against our own, but they're not legally precluded from doing so - unless they're in breech of an order, or committing some sort of actual crime like slander or libel etc....
 
Well I don't think she used the word hacked - at least not in the article I read and cited earlier upthread. She said someone stole the chat messages after accessing them using a password they knew a member was using to participate in the chat.
But that is the definition of 'hacking'---stealing chat messages by accessing someone else's password

But Paul did not use someone else's password--he was the account holder. So he didn't need to steal anyone else's password.
Here is the quote:
And here is the link:
(quote below).

Hacking seems to involve a bit more sneaking about: What Is Hacking? Types of Hacking & More | Fortinet

Wieneke shared a statement with I-Team 8.
 
Well I don't think she used the word hacked - at least not in the article I read and cited earlier upthread. She said someone stole the chat messages after accessing them using a password they knew a member was using to participate in the chat. Here is the quote:
And here is the link:
(quote below).

Hacking seems to involve a bit more sneaking about: What Is Hacking? Types of Hacking & More | Fortinet

Wieneke shared a statement with I-Team 8.
Actually I just realized she says “accessed her” acct (CW in the link in the post I’m commenting on). I thought it was some man who was the “owner” of the group chat etc who provided these to Ms? That he had access because he was a group member. She seems to disagree with this idea or I have misunderstood the leaker to be a male maybe?
 
But that is the definition of 'hacking'---stealing chat messages by accessing someone else's password

But Paul did not use someone else's password--he was the account holder. So he didn't need to steal anyone else's password.
I’m only pointing out - CW did not say she was hacked. She said someone accessed the chat using a password they knew which belonged to one of the group members. At any rate, and either way… they can’t both be telling the truth (MS & CW). Back to he said she said.
 
I was a paid employee, working for the firm. In those days we had to do a lot of typing and copying so I had access to evidence and discovery. So I had to sign an 'ethics' contract with the office manager and was held accountable.

[I was a pre-law student at UC Berkeley, but ultimately decided not to go to law school. ]

I'd have no problem with a paralegal or a law professor, working for the defense team, doing the vetting. But I do have big problem with the jurors private info being sent to a you-tuber, or a random group of students, because they have not
been vetted themselves.

I was an employee of the law firm, and I was trained by them. I was NEVER allowed to share the jurors info with anyone, nor speak about that info to anyone.

They hadn't vetted jurors because as they were discussing this option, the trial was postponed.

Some of this group were known to be shady and dox others. And being you-tubers, they were prone to leak or disseminate info widely.

Which YouTubers - is that known?
 
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