Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #191

[Ravenmoon]

Here's one of the 99% individual issues I mentioned in my last post. Yes, BH has an alibi-- But is it truly verified? How hard did LE, some of whom are his fellow lodge members, how hard did they really look?

Historically BH considers himself an outlier. He is an Odinist, after all, and reportedly runs with some pretty tough guys.

Outliers often consider themselves anti-mainstream authority. As such, they often think about & find ways to circumvent said authorities. I'm sure he'd already considered the option of having a fellow co-worker punch in his time card for him; even non-nefarious clock punchers know this. Whether he did so in this particular instance or whether he didn't is immaterial imo.

The fact remains that it would be totally in character for him to do so, and LE did not fully investigate this possibility.

I have faith that LE has done their due diligence.

There is NO evidence that any of these men were on the trail that day, unlike RA.

Some of these guys have tried to better themselves. People can change over the course of seven and a half years.

Being accused by the defense publicly has made them and their families targets.

It's not right, IMO.

 

[Salah11]

Could the Odinist thing been a delay tactic all along??

jmo

The problem with this defence is, I don’t think we can rule anything out.
So much of what they claimed was completely fictional and not only that, no doubt, caused great distress to Libby's and Abby's loved ones in the process.

Let’s not forget them feeding information to the due progress gang which we learned from the murder sheet. Everything has been completely unprofessional. IMHO

 

[susane7]

Could the Odinist thing been a delay tactic all along??

jmo

I really don't think so. I think the defense became desesperate because the confessions and had to came up with someting to explain the confessions. Someone noticed the patches on the guards, remembered it was an angle investigated by LE and came up with that theory. Also it is a very "hollywood" theory. The media loves it and in some years, even if RA is convicted, there will be series, books, etc dedicated to that angle.

 

[Tealgrove]

I guess my problem with the Odinist SODDI Theory is that a number of people, never publicly acknowledged as POI’s (correct me if I’m wrong), have been publicly accused of murder by NAME by the Defence, YouTubers, keyboard warriors etc.

They have not been charged. Yes, they were investigated but never publicly accused and eventually LE moved on.

Legally how is it possible that these public accusations are permissible? Can the accused parties sue?

Without evidence to corroborate the Defence’s claims, how can one even go down this road publicly destroying innocent people’s lives?

 

[grannygates]

I guess my problem with the Odinist SODDI Theory is that a number of people, never publicly acknowledged as POI’s (correct me if I’m wrong), have been publicly accused of murder by NAME by the Defence, YouTubers, keyboard warriors etc.

They have not been charged. Yes, they were investigated but never publicly accused and eventually LE moved on.

Legally how is it possible that these public accusations are permissible? Can the accused parties sue?

Without evidence to corroborate the Defence’s claims, how can one even go down this road publicly destroying innocent people’s lives?

The evidence is in the transcripts of the sworn testimony and the reports of the original investigators. I understand not naming these people in full, but not being able to discuss the original suspects in any capacity does remove a huge portion of the case. It would be voiding the first nearly three years of investigation, when it has corroborated with the FBI/LE/expert reports, court filings, transcripts of court hearings. I feel like a happy medium should be able to be reached so we can discuss the actual case in full and not selectively remove portions that do not align with the current theory of the state's case. MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The information comes direct from the FBI, law enforcement and the states own discovery. I would hardly call referring to their own work detailing the first 2.5+ years of their investigation as a “conspiracy”.

It’s a slippery slope if we believe the state is lying and fabricated documents detailing 2.5+ years of their own investigation and that the FBI agents and LE testifying about their own work are lying (and for what reason?). Where do the lies end ?

MOO

That’s a question for the defense team.

Strong opinion but opinion no less

 

[grannygates]

That’s a question for the defense team.

Strong opinion but opinion no less

I think I'm missing your point. What would we be asking the defense? If just the the FBI agents are lying in their testimony and fabricated supporting documents ? If the state provided false evidence in their discovery?

 

[renah]

Apologies to all for my previous posts regarding my theory. It never once occurred to me that I was speculating outside of the TOS I was even consciously trying to be so careful by using IMO & phrasing like "I think" yet somehow totally missed the actual big picture.

This has never happened to me before & I have to admit I'm a little shook! Not sure how i could so miss the obvious.

Again, sincere apologies to all.

 

[Salah11]

I think I'm missing your point. What would we be asking the defense? If just the the FBI agents are lying in their testimony and fabricated supporting documents ? If the state provided false evidence in their discovery?

Why would they be lying?

 

[Inthedetails]

Without evidence to corroborate the Defence’s claims, how can one even go down this road publicly destroying innocent people’s lives?

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This. ^^

jmo

 

[grannygates]

Why would they be lying?

The comment thread is regarding the allegation that the 3rd party defense is all made-up lies. My response was that all of this evidence is from the states own discovery. I don't think they're lying.

 

[Salah11]

The comment thread is regarding the allegation that the 3rd party defense is all made-up lies. My response was that all of this evidence is from the states own discovery. I don't think they're lying.

Thanks for the clarity, I appreciate it.

The state cleared these suspects though so they can not be placed at the crime scene.

 

[grannygates]

Thanks for the clarity, I appreciate it.

The state cleared these suspects though so they can not be placed at the crime scene.

We learned much more about the geofencing in the hearings, so I think that we cannot say that with any real certainty at this time. There is also no person in this prior group that has an alibi currently that covers the state's timeline for the events. Even the "emails" have an unaccounted for gap of time. MOO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

The accuracy was discussed in detail relating to this case in Day3 of the hearing re: FBI agent Horans report and additional geofence from 2019, so I would refer you to our approved source Murder Sheet’s episode covering Day3. MOO

The Murder Sheet spoke about it from 1:28:00-1:28:40 in their episode 3
They stated the NMc stated at the hearing that geofencing is so unreliable that it cannot be cited in a Probable Cause Affidavit. He added it was so unreliable that it could show someone 1 meter away or 1000 meters away. He asked to grant the motion to not talk about geofencing at trail unless it could be proven in that instance that it was reliable.

So far all the sources do not support Geofencing to be absolutely accurate or reliable IMO.


https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

 

[Salah11]

We learned much more about the geofencing in the hearings, so I think that we cannot say that with any real certainty at this time. There is also no person in this prior group that has an alibi currently that covers the state's timeline for the events. Even the "emails" have an unaccounted for gap of time. MOO

Will Odinism be part of Delphi murder trial testimony? What we learned

Three days of hearings ahead of accused killer Richard Allen's trial revealed details not previously made public.

eu.indystar.com

Investigators believe the murders happened between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. Feb. 13, 2017. Holeman said employee records show Holder, who worked at a landfill about a half-hour away from Delphi, clocked out at 2:45 p.m. He then checked in using a key fob at a gym in Logansport at 4:08 p.m

LE have the video and snap chat photo so they know he couldn’t have been there on that bridge.

 

[grannygates]

The Murder Sheet spoke about it from 1:28:00-1:28:40 in their episode 3
They stated the NMc stated at the hearing that geofencing is so unreliable that it cannot be cited in a Probable Cause Affidavit. He added it was so unreliable that it could show someone 1 meter away or 1000 meters away. He asked to grant the motion to not talk about geofencing at trail unless it could be proven in that instance that it was reliable.

So far all the sources do not support Geofencing to be absolutely accurate or reliable IMO.


https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

…Did they not include the rest of the testimony? That’s odd.

 

[Spartygirl]

Could the Odinist thing been a delay tactic all along??

jmo

Absolutely !!!
Along with all the other BS stuff they have tried to do.
We want a speedy trial, but wait.. we aren't ready
Trying to get rid of Judge G= another delay, not once but several times

 

[TheVisual]

A thin fabric snap front, slash pocket style narrows the jacket. The print of his handgun, a P226 is identifiable through the fabric, he was on the trail by 1:30 walking toward the bridge to stand on platform 1. So it's more than a jacket.

Also an antenna from what I believe is either a walkie talkie or a dog remote for a dog collar. Look closely at the picture. Also if you check on here back in the very early days of the image thread, a view of BG by Michael Gartley, an image specialist (image page 13 #252) you can see on the middle picture BG's leg has a dog lead for two dogs. When you copy it the whole image must walk otherwise if the image is still you won't see it. Might be a clue for or against RA.

 

[Salah11]

So one thing I’m still intrigued about is the photo Libby took of Abby on the bridge.

Is the photo so blurry that we just can’t see him at the beginning of the bridge or did he want to give them enough chance to get further along the bridge and then trap them so he hid?

It seems like from the audio when he did start to cross he did it at pace as I believe Abby asks if the man is still behind them.

ETA - I find it fascinating he avoided being seen in that first snap and I want to know how he knew to stay out of eye line.

moo

 

[Spartygirl]

I have faith that LE has done their due diligence.

There is NO evidence that any of these men were on the trail that day, unlike RA.

Some of these guys have tried to better themselves. People can change over the course of seven and a half years.

Being accused by the defense publicly has made them and their families targets.

It's not right, IMO.

Agree- LE has done their due diligence and have CLEARED BH and the whole Odinist theory.

It's done and OVER. They were NOT there.

I sure hope BH and others will file against this D-team AND their supporters for slandering their names all over SM and forums.

RA was there-- by his own admission, by Libby's ( our hero) video and audio and by LE/FBI investigation into RA.
JMO