Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #192

[grannygates]

Dunno'. One thing more to add to the conspiracy I guess. I love how many thought EF didn't own a vehicle or didn't drive. Wonder how he has a DL? Certainly he didn't drive without one? MOO

I thought he worked on cars lol I think people might think he is far less competent than he actually is due to that diminished mental capacity statement. The only person I knew didn’t drive was KK in his interrogation transcript. MOO

 

[grannygates]

Thank you for the summation - I’m sad it didn’t involve some really cool crows or raccoons or other such cool possibilities. There is always next time, right?

No cool crows, just the poor chicken that PW sacrificed by cutting its head off

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[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,
Please DO NOT put a laughing emoji under someone's post when they are not trying to be funny. It is rude. You will get timed out.
Tricia

 

[Salah11]

It’s good to see the Defense is out here making the prosecution case stronger.

This just shows they don’t have an alibi for RA and are frantically trying to make up a new timeline. It’s complete desperation and pathetic because there was searchers out looking for the girls within a few hours.

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MISSING: Two 13-year-old Carroll Co. girls

Two 13-year-old Carroll County girls are missing after they were dropped off to go hiking Monday afternoon.

www.wrtv.com

MOO

 

[photographer4]

Anyone found guilty of a crime has a chance to appeal the verdict.

There’s an entire process. The Supreme Court is the end, not the beginning, of an appeal.

The Defense has to file an appeal. Then the Appellate Court makes a decision about the worthiness of the appeal.

Next, if anything, the states have their own State Supreme Courts.

The very, very last option after that is the U.S. Supreme Court, and by necessity they have to be selective about which cases they will accept.

Not from there, so thank you for your explanation which has helped me to better understand.

 

[photographer4]

Exactly !!!
A complete waste of the court's time !!!
It is a deja vu times 5 UGH

My guess is, the D team will delay trial AGAIN as they just keep filing these ridiculous FMs over and over instead of preparing for a real trial for their client.
I almost actually feel sorry for RA-- his Defense is in the toilet and they just keep spitting out the $hit to see what sticks.

I feel most sorry for Libby and Abby and families-
They don't deserve any of this at all !!
Libby and Abby's lives were NOT spared and the horror they must have felt knowing their lives were ending AS TEENAGERS at the hand of this Monster !!!

RA-- your days are numbered and your D-team is not doing you any favors !!
JMO

I actually kinda view this a bit differently - the way I remember things is to write them down. So to me, each time they write and file a motion, they’re just writing it all down. Considering how many times they’re written it down, I imagine all they do is eat, sleep, breathe this trial and all things about it. I imagine they’ll have it entirely memorized come trial date if they don’t already.

 

[photographer4]

It’s good to see the Defense is out here making the prosecution case stronger.

This just shows they don’t have an alibi for RA and are frantically trying to make up a new timeline. It’s complete desperation and pathetic because there was searchers out looking for the girls within a few hours.

Link

MISSING: Two 13-year-old Carroll Co. girls

Two 13-year-old Carroll County girls are missing after they were dropped off to go hiking Monday afternoon.

www.wrtv.com

MOO

The ISP had the kids arriving around 1pm which imo throws the State’s timeline way off (not linking as we discussed this a lot yesterday). It seems no one is quite sure what time the kids arrived.

 

[katydid23]

rsbm

But, how do we know for sure without getting Liggitt (sp?) on the stand? What's the harm in having a hearing, having him testify to clear things up? Seems like they are afraid of what he will be forced to say under oath.

IMO

The state has a strong case and probably some evidence we don't know about yet. Because of the info they have, they don't have any interest in muddying the waters with UNFOUNDED rumours and gross speculation.

The 'harm' in having a hearing about a bunch of random people who are not guilty of this crime is actually big.The D is trying to crate a public outcry based upon a bunch of nonsense.

The DA has enough evidence to already know that the girls were not taken from the scene and returned by a ragtag clan of Odinists doing a ritual sacrifice because Abby had a crush on their son. There is zero evidence that a group of men were at the murder scene. No forensics to say that.

And the proof that it even was an Odinist's ritual is way overblown. Staged crime scenes are not unusual. We've seen many of them. Some even look like Satanists doing a sacrifice, then we find out it was one crazy teen kid.

Maybe RA tried to deflect by making it look like a crazy scene?

LE can put RA on that bridge WITH the girls that afternoon. Nobody can put any of those others there.This is a small town. They'd have uncovered evidence already if there was a group of locals there committing this crime. IMO

 

[katydid23]

The ISP had the kids arriving around 1pm which imo throws the State’s timeline way off (not linking as we discussed this a lot yesterday). It seems no one is quite sure what time the kids arrived.

"It seems no one is quite sure what time the kids arrived."

That ^^ is a misleading statement.IMO
You are quoting a general estimate from a FB website article from the beginning of the investigation. Back then they said 'around 1 pm'....... There is no reason to believe LE is not sure what the correct timeline is NOW. You cannot base it upon a generalised statement from the start of the investigation on as FB website. That is a distortion of the facts, IMO.

I am very sure that they will come to trial with all the receipts, timestamps, videos, phone logs, witness testimonies, CAST reports and GPS data needed to verify a minute by minute timeline. IMO

 

[grannygates]

This is the snip about liking a Facebook photo of someone in their group using human blood to paint a rune on a tree. They put it all out there on Facebook.

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[grannygates]

This was also something shared earlier about the FBI agent searching RL‘s property was looking for evidence that he had Nordic beliefs.

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[photographer4]

The state has a strong case and probably some evidence we don't know about yet. Because of the info they have, they don't have any interest in muddying the waters with UNFOUNDED rumours and gross speculation.

The 'harm' in having a hearing about a bunch of random people who are not guilty of this crime is actually big.The D is trying to crate a public outcry based upon a bunch of nonsense.

They have enough evidence to already know that the girls were not taken from the scene and returned by a ragtag clan of Odinists doing a ritual sacrifice because Abby had a crush on their son. There is zero evidence that a group of men were at the murder scene. No forensics to say that.

And the proof that it even was an Odinists ritual is way overblown. Staged crime scenes are not unusual. We've seen many of them. Some even look like Satanists doing a sacrifice, then we find out it was one crazy teen kid.

Maybe RA tried to deflect by making it look like a crazy scene?

LE can put RA on that bridge WITH the girls that afternoon. Nobody can put any of those others there.This is a small town. They'd have uncovered evidence already if there was a group of locals there committing this crime. IMO

If everyone is so sure that the other guys alibis are so solid, and nothing will come of it, then maybe we should be allowed to hear the evidence and let it speak for itself. I think there is room for reasonable doubt for RA if the Odins did it is allowed into the court room. Do I like that he could walk if he was somehow guilty? No! But the fact remains, there are other reasonable suspects. Maybe the police erred in arresting RA when they could have perhaps done more to satisfy the dissenters that actually, it could NoT have been them and here’s why not. It seems Like some loose ends were left untied and as a result, those other guys haven’t been completely cleared. Maybe they should have tied them up before going for RA? Just a thought. I haven’t read whatever was filed today yet so I base this opinion on their prior filings.
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[Salah11]

This is the snip about liking a Facebook photo of someone in their group using human blood to paint a rune on a tree. They put it all out there on Facebook.

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But Patrick Cicero, a blood specialist and forensics expert from the LaPorte County Sheriff's Office, said it was more likely a 'transfer stain' from Libby's bloody hand.

This was already debunked from the hearings that it more than likely came from Libby’s Hand Print. Also not forgetting none of these people were even in Delphi that day. Thats quite a massive obstacle to overcome when trying to blame innocent people for murder.

IMO

Haunting new details about Delphi murders are revealed in court

Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, disappeared on February 13, 2017, while hiking the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Richard Allen, 51, was charged with their murders

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[photographer4]

"It seems no one is quite sure what time the kids arrived."

That ^^ is a misleading statement.IMO
You are quoting a general estimate from a FB website article from the beginning of the investigation. Back then they said 'around 1 pm'....... There is no reason to believe LE is not sure what the correct timeline is NOW. You cannot base it upon a generalised statement from the start of the investigation on as FB website. That is a distortion of the facts, IMO.

I am very sure that they will come to trial with all the receipts, timestamps, videos, phone logs, witness testimonies, CAST reports and GPS data needed to verify a minute by minute timeline. IMO

I am. From their own website (isp itself). Which somehow hasn’t been updated in all this time? It makes me wonder what they did or didn’t update accordingly then as their investigation progressed. One of those nagging glaring issues imo. Moooooo.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

www.in.gov

 

[katydid23]

If everyone is so sure that the other guys alibis are so solid, and nothing will come of it, then maybe we should be allowed to hear the evidence and let it speak for itself.

We will do that in the trial but for now there is a gag order...

I think there is room for reasonable doubt for RA if the Odins did it is allowed into the court room.

It has to be 'reasonable' doubt, not just a sliver of possible doubt.

Show us there is evidence of some kind that Holder and EF , PW and friends were all in Delphi at least, let alone they were in that park.

We have shown that RA was there with the girls on the bridge moments before they were kidnapped. I can't get excited about the real killer being Holder if he was at his job that day, in a different town.

Do I like that he could walk if he was somehow guilty? No! But the fact remains, there are other reasonable suspects

Reasonable 'suspects' is not enough. Motive, Means and Opportunity. Just because someone was once a suspect is not enough, it has to be shown there was a possibility they could have done it. Were they in the area, at the right time with the means to do it?

. Maybe the police erred in arresting RA when they could have perhaps done more to satisfy the dissenters that actually, it could NoT have been them and here’s why not.

That's what the trial is for. BTW, I don't think the police have to concern themselves with the 'dissenters' before they arrest a suspect if they have substantial evidence.

It seems Like some loose ends were left untied and as a result, those other guys haven’t been completely cleared.

I don't think there are any glaring loose ends. I think it is just manipulation and smoke and mirrors from the D and their social media gaslighting everyone.

Maybe they should have tied them up before going for RA? Just a thought.

So before Homicide Detectivess arrest their prime suspect, after a 6 year investigation, they need to check with the public and the true crime fans to make sure it is a popular opinion?

I haven’t read whatever was filed today yet so I base this opinion on their prior filings.
Mmoooooo

Same stuff, just regurgitated.

 

[Salah11]

I am. From their own website (isp itself). Which somehow hasn’t been updated in all this time? It makes me wonder what they did or didn’t update accordingly then as their investigation progressed. One of those nagging glaring issues imo. Moooooo.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

www.in.gov

Well, the Sister of Libby begs to differ, and I'm going to say she knows a lot more about this matter than anybody else, considering she dropped them off that afternoon.


But then the prosecution don't need to make up stuff to try and get dear old Ricky off. They are not the ones with the agenda and trying to fit square pegs in round holes. IMO

 

[grannygates]

This was already debunked from the hearings that it was more than likely came from Libby’s Hand Print. Also not forgetting none of these people were even in Delphi that day. Thats quite a massive obstacle to overcome when trying to blame innocent people for murder.

IMO

Haunting new details about Delphi murders are revealed in court

Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, disappeared on February 13, 2017, while hiking the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Richard Allen, 51, was charged with their murders

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the word debunked is being used a bit too liberally. Debunk means to prove that the allegation is false. He didn’t videotape his experiment, so he didn’t actually prove anything. I would have loved if he did because his experiment doesn’t make sense to me.

Just in the basics, if you’ve ever gotten something on your hand and tried to wipe it off. You have a large amount at first and then the smear fades as you continue your swipe. You wouldn’t be left a very intentional looking shape with equal disbursement that fills in all the crooks of the bark. Especially with the small volume that you’d transfer with one event, unless she’s repeatedly touching her wound and then the tree in perfect sequence that coincidentally makes a straight line? I was under the impression he said it was one movement of transfer that created this shape.

Like I said, I would need someone to show me that this theory could be duplicated.

 

[grannygates]

Well, the Sister of Libby begs to differ, and I'm going to say she knows a lot more about this matter than anybody else, considering she dropped them off that afternoon.


But then the prosecution don't need to make up stuff to try and get dear old Ricky off. They are not the ones with the agenda and trying to fit square pegs in round holes. IMO

All of this information came from the state. It’s their own investigation.

 

[grannygates]

We have shown that RA was there with the girls on the bridge moments before they were kidnapped.

(RSBBM)

There is no evidence of this. That’s the big issue in this case. The state can’t just say BG=RA, they have to actually prove it.

 

[katydid23]

I am. From their own website (isp itself). Which somehow hasn’t been updated in all this time? It makes me wonder what they did or didn’t update accordingly then as their investigation progressed. One of those nagging glaring issues imo. Moooooo.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

www.in.gov

How much weight does a FaceBook ISP website for the masses hold? That article was put out in the first weeks or so of the investigation. Why are we holding the to an approximate time given in March of 2017?

Do you know who is in charge of those websites?

Do you think it is the Homicide Detectives updating the 'MISSING' persons article to be posted? I am pretty certain that it is interns or academy applicants, who volunteer their time in the precincts, that are in charge of that stuff. It is not a detective or investigator.

There is ZERO reason to believe that the DA does not know precisely what time the girls arrived at the park the day they died. Looking at a FB website which says they arrived 'around 1 pm' is NOT proof that the detectives did not find out the actual time of arrival.

And trying to use that government website article from 2017 on FaceBook is a perfect example of how I think the Defense keeps trying to spin things by using misleading or distorted 'facts.' JMO