Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[arielilane]

(NewsNation) — A status hearing will be held Friday for the man accused in the 2017 killings of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana.

Special Judge Fran Gull scheduled the hearing for 1 p.m. in Carroll Circuit Court. According to Gull’s order, the first portion of the hearing will be closed to the public, while the second part will be open to the public.

Full story at link...

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-killings-status-hearing-richard-allen/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Updated: AUG 23, 2024

 

[TTF14]

I'm not. Since Judge Gull hasn't exactly ruled on the SODDI defense the State IMO have to be prepared for either ruling. The answers to these questions will be helpful to them should that defense be allowed. They will be better able to weed out jurors they think will be swayed by such a defense.

Right, but if she decides against it, now all those jurors have those other actors in their heads and may wonder/remember them when it comes time to deliberate. Even if they are instructed not to.

IMO MOO

 

[tlcya]

back to the judge's order of 7/30 pertaining to the Cecil report. I can only assume the defense received it on or before the 7 day deadline JG set out else we'd surely have seen a new motion from the DT.

I am very curious to hear the info it contains at trial.

 

[tlcya]

Right, but if she decides against it, now all those jurors have those other actors in their heads and may wonder/remember them when it comes time to deliberate. Even if they are instructed not to.

IMO MOO

true, it's a risk.

 

[twall]

Motions filed today

 

[Salah11]

Motions filed today

Anybody know who David Schilling is ?

 

[twall]

Motions filed today

 

[TTF14]

Motions filed today

Do we know who David Schilling is?

Why two motions about the timing for discovery?

 

[Arkay]

Summarizing my opinion over the years…

It always was that no one but Abby and Libby knew who slaughtered them in such a horrific and gruesome fashion.

I always felt it had to be a local, though. There are more people in my high rise apartment building in NYC than in the whole town of Delphi. It’s unfathomable to me that an outsider would know about some rickety old bridge which somehow is a place where locals hang out. It doesn’t strike me as an enjoyable place to be, but I grasp that a rural lifestyle is different than mine.

HOWEVER BUT—-miraculously, courageously, Libby recorded the unknown assailant on her phone! Then LE was able to retrieve that phone!

Now there was a framework. Here’s a guy intruding on the girls’ day, commanding them to go DTH, and we can get some outline of who this murderer is; what he looks like, what he’s wearing, how he walks, how he sounds.

Still don’t know who he is, though.

But miracle again, the seemingly mild-mannered clerk from CVS tells LE that you know what, he was on that bridge, too! In the same time frame! Wearing the outfit that passersby described! He also has a strong resemblance to the man that Libby desperately tried to capture on video!

And hey, mild- mannered CVS guy has no alibi for where he was at the time! Except gazing at fish and the stock ticker on his phone, on that same bridge!

He also really really really doesn’t want his home searched! And a bullet from his gun landed serendipitously right between where the girls’ bodies lay!

IMO all this together is very damning. I’ll even omit the part about the 61 confessions.

Is this all circumstantial evidence? Perhaps. But it points an arrow at one person.

Was there a ring of people involved? Sometimes I think so, (due to KAK /Anthony Shots, not heathens), but that does not eliminate RA as the integral person who forced the girls to their deaths.

JMO after all these years. I remember the shock when nice guy, husband and father RA was arrested, but LE knows 100x what the public knows.

 

[tlcya]

Do we know who David Schilling is?

Why two motions about the timing for discovery?

glad I'm not the only one scratching my head on the David Schilling motion from the state to bar his deposition. Not sure who he is or what he was deposed about. I'm also curious which other deps they are trying to keep out.

not sure on the Dt motions.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Do we know who David Schilling is?

Why two motions about the timing for discovery?

IMO: Looks like the defense wants those periods shortened. She gave the P 7 days to turn discovery over after receiving it. It's getting close enough that every week matters.

 

[TTF14]

IMO: Looks like the defense wants those periods shortened. She gave the P 7 days to turn discovery over after receiving it. It's getting close enough that every week matters.

Yeah, just wondering why they'd need two motions, but maybe they are for different things? Not very important . We'll find out eventually. I'm definitely more curious about who David Schilling is!

 

[m00c0w]

The two motions look nearly identical. I suppose there may be some procedural thing left out of the first that they added to the second. Kind of strange, though.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

The two motions look nearly identical. I suppose there may be some procedural thing left out of the first that they added to the second. Kind of strange, though.

MOO

Doesn't sound like a defense team that's "playing games" and will be asking for a trial delay.

IMO MOO

 

[m00c0w]

Doesn't sound like a defense team that's "playing games" and will be asking for a trial delay.

IMO MOO

Or they’re setting up the argument to request another delay.

MOO