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TTF14 said:
Could that story be a reason for today's hearing cancelation?
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Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

Thanks @twall. So it looks as though JG is going to allow a 3rd party defense by sending the list of 3rd party names listed in it. I also have never seen such a long jury questionnaire. Surprising, but maybe not so much. MOO Wow, interesting indeed. I don't know how JG can say no to all third...
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Weird. Link posted to thread yesterday (linked above in the quote)... still works for me just now....
 
Tears could indicate good news for the P side!

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New motions filed in Richard Allen murder case; Friday status hearing closed to the public

Friday’s hearing was scheduled as a status hearing, with the first half set to be closed to the public and later open up after a recess.
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Richard Allen arrived at court around 12:30 p.m. Friday.

The closed-door hearing with Judge Frances Gull began at 1 p.m. and lasted 35 minutes.

When it was over, Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland came out of the courtroom and went into another closed-door meeting with investigators and family members of the victims.

Defense attorney Brad Rozzi also came out, but would not say what happened in the closed hearing. Rozzi briefly spoke with Allen’s family members who were sitting outside the courtroom.

At one point, Allen’s wife Kathy could be seen wiping tears from her eyes.
 
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ClearAhead said:
Tear could indicate good news for the P side!

www.wthr.com

New motions filed in Richard Allen murder case; Friday status hearing closed to the public

Friday’s hearing was scheduled as a status hearing, with the first half set to be closed to the public and later open up after a recess.
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Richard Allen arrived at court around 12:30 p.m. Friday.

The closed-door hearing with Judge Frances Gull began at 1 p.m. and lasted 35 minutes.

When it was over, Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland came out of the courtroom and went into another closed-door meeting with investigators and family members of the victims.

Defense attorney Brad Rozzi also came out, but would not say what happened in the closed hearing. Rozzi briefly spoke with Allen’s family members who were sitting outside the courtroom.

At one point, Allen’s wife Kathy could be seen wiping tears from her eyes.
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This makes it sound like they came to some kind of agreement to work out a plea deal. But IANAL!
 
Sometimes actions can speak louder than words. But what’s up with the crying without even knowing what’s going on? Unless RA forewarned them in advance, maybe that he intended to confess to the Judge?? MOOO

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Status hearing in Delphi murders case cancelled

The day began with a closed status meeting. About 35 minutes into the closed status hearing, a deputy came out and said there would be no public hearing.
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“The families of Abby Williams and Libby German did meet privately with prosecutors and investigators in a room.

Allen’s family started to cry, confused and upset, and defense attorneys met with them.”
 
ClearAhead said:
Sometimes actions can speak louder than words. But what’s up with the crying without even knowing what’s going on? Unless RA forewarned them in advance, maybe that he intended to confess to the Judge?? MOOO

www.wrtv.com

Status hearing in Delphi murders case cancelled

The day began with a closed status meeting. About 35 minutes into the closed status hearing, a deputy came out and said there would be no public hearing.
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“The families of Abby Williams and Libby German did meet privately with prosecutors and investigators in a room.

Allen’s family started to cry, confused and upset, and defense attorneys met with them.”
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I'd cry at the drop of a hat if I were KA. Just walking into the courthouse would make me cry.

This is also a reporter's spin, which is pretty subjective.

IMO MOO
 
ClearAhead said:
Sometimes actions can speak louder than words. But what’s up with the crying without even knowing what’s going on? Unless RA forewarned them in advance, maybe that he intended to confess to the Judge?? MOOO

www.wrtv.com

Status hearing in Delphi murders case cancelled

The day began with a closed status meeting. About 35 minutes into the closed status hearing, a deputy came out and said there would be no public hearing.
www.wrtv.com www.wrtv.com
“The families of Abby Williams and Libby German did meet privately with prosecutors and investigators in a room.

Allen’s family started to cry, confused and upset, and defense attorneys met with them.”
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Maybe the judge has decided to recuse herself?

Or maybe JG has kicked RA's attorneys off the case again?

Or something to do with Judge Diener's recusal and abrupt resignation?

It feels like something major has disrupted this case's momentum.

IMO MOO
 
photographer4 said:
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Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

Thanks @twall. So it looks as though JG is going to allow a 3rd party defense by sending the list of 3rd party names listed in it. I also have never seen such a long jury questionnaire. Surprising, but maybe not so much. MOO Wow, interesting indeed. I don't know how JG can say no to all third...
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Weird. Link posted to thread yesterday (linked above in the quote)... still works for me just now....
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I get this at the WANE site when I click on the link I posted last night-

We’re sorry!​

The page you are looking for can’t be found.

  • The story, page, or video you were trying to access may have been moved.
  • There might have been a typo in the link you used to get here
If I Google "juror questionnaire Delphi" I get a link to the WANE video through Yahoo. I searched the WANE site and can't find it, takes me to another story about RA/Delphi.
 
TTF14 said:
This makes it sound like they came to some kind of agreement to work out a plea deal. But IANAL!
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I'm too much of a cynic to expect it, but it doesn't stop me hoping.

It would spare both victims' and defendant's families the circus of a trial.

It would prevent a long, drawn out appeals process, that would happen were the defendant convicted at trial.

It would put something of an end to all of this. It would allow people to start the rest of their lives.

I say this because I believe that RA is the culprit, and he has confessed, and if he truly wants to spare his family further hurt, then this is the right choice for him to be making.

MOO
 
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TTF14 said:
Maybe the judge has decided to recuse herself?

Or maybe JG has kicked RA's attorneys off the case again?

Or something to do with Judge Diener's recusal and abrupt resignation?

It feels like something major has disrupted this case's momentum.

IMO MOO
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Nothing is obvious, that’s for sure but yes, it does seem as if something major is coming down.

RA’s family (wife and mother?) must’ve had an inkling of what was happening or they wouldn’t cry and get upset over the announcement that the public hearing was cancelled, as if they were expecting something positive about to occur at the open hearing. And so I’d expect as that didn’t happen, whatever is going on negatively impacted either RA or his attorneys from their perspective. MOO and JMO
 
Perhaps RA has confessed yet again, but this time to the judge during the closed meeting? That would be best case.. No need to continue all the theatrics.. just get a deal done so we don't have to hear about RA again. Just my opinion.
 
TTF14 said:
That's what I'm afraid of if he takes a plea.

IMO MOO
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And that's fine. I'm aware that we have different opinions on the matter of RA.

If he is innocent, then I agree, he should not plead guilty. He's entitled to a trial in front of a jury of his peers.

But if he did this, and he was in earnest trying to take responsibility in his confessions, then he should feel free to plead guilty if that is what he wants to do. For himself, for his future, for his own conscience.

MOO
 
iamshadow21 said:
And that's fine. I'm aware that we have different opinions on the matter of RA.

If he is innocent, then I agree, he should not plead guilty. He's entitled to a trial in front of a jury of his peers.

But if he did this, and he was in earnest trying to take responsibility in his confessions, then he should feel free to plead guilty if that is what he wants to do. For himself, for his future, for his own conscience.

MOO
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I think any plea would involve him admitting to exactly what he did, when, how, etc. I mean the state wouldn't have to accept a plea deal, so if he didn't fully explain what he did, why would they agree to a deal? I would guess the family would want to know also. Perhaps not graphic details, but basics like did he plan it out for a long time, did anyone else share info with him about where the girls would be, how did he pick the girls, did he go to the trail that day specifically to abduct Abby and Libby, how did he leave the CS, what did he do after that, what did he do with his clothing, etc. I don't see a deal with RA being one of those pleas where they admit the state has enough to convict, but they don't want to say they did it.
 
justtrish said:
I think any plea would involve him admitting to exactly what he did, when, how, etc. I mean the state wouldn't have to accept a plea deal, so if he didn't fully explain what he did, why would they agree to a deal? I would guess the family would want to know also. Perhaps not graphic details, but basics like did he plan it out for a long time, did anyone else share info with him about where the girls would be, how did he pick the girls, did he go to the trail that day specifically to abduct Abby and Libby, how did he leave the CS, what did he do after that, what did he do with his clothing, etc. I don't see a deal with RA being one of those pleas where they admit the state has enough to convict, but they don't want to say they did it.
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I think how much he would have to reveal would depend on the terms worked out between the parties.

He can't take an Alford plea in Indiana. So that's not in the cards.

MOO
 
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iamshadow21 said:
And that's fine. I'm aware that we have different opinions on the matter of RA.

If he is innocent, then I agree, he should not plead guilty. He's entitled to a trial in front of a jury of his peers.

But if he did this, and he was in earnest trying to take responsibility in his confessions, then he should feel free to plead guilty if that is what he wants to do. For himself, for his future, for his own conscience.

MOO
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I meant I'm afraid that all the others won't be brought to justice if he takes a plea. I'm still on the fence about his guilt or innocence, but if he's guilty (or of course innocent), there are others involved. I believe this 100%.

IMO MOO
 
TTF14 said:
I meant I'm afraid that all the others won't be brought to justice if he takes a plea. I'm still on the fence about his guilt or innocence, but if he's guilty (or of course innocent), there are others involved. I believe this 100%.

IMO MOO
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That's what I meant about us having a difference of opinion - I think the opposite. I think if he did this, he did this on his own.

But that's fine, that's the whole point of this place, to discuss a case with civility even if our opinions differ wildly.

Only time will tell what the truth of the matter might be.

MOO
 
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