Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

[sunshineray]

But that family lived in Delphi. Why travel 90 minutes to go to a random MD?

And why would a family practice doctor, hours away from Delphi, seeing the son (who was in puppy love with a victim) of a man that it's been ruled had nothing to do with the murders have anything thing to do with anything in this case?
Makes no sense, IMO

 

[Argonaut]

Maybe this doc isn’t / hasn’t treated RA but someone else involved in this case? Too far behind and don’t know even what kinda doc she is.

It may be for someone other than RA and involved in this case.

 

[katydid23]

It may be for someone other than RA and involved in this case.

Maybe, but how would anyone else's medical info be relevant or even available for scrutiny?

 

[Argonaut]

Maybe, but how would anyone else's medical info be relevant or even available for scrutiny?

One of the victims may of been his patient.

 

[shonyakay]

RA's confessions to DR W, the warden, guards, inmates, medical personal, ISP and his family members were all voluntarily given, not coerced by any State agents, not due to his pre-trial incarceration nor his depression or anxiety conditions. So says the Judge...all admissable

08/29/2024

Order Issued The Court, having had this matter under advisement following a hearing conducted on July 31, 2024, on the Defendant's Motion to Suppress Statements (filed April 11, 2024), the State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress Filed April 11, 2024 (filed April 23, 2024), the State's Motion to Dismiss the Motion to Suppress Filed April 11, 2024 (filed May 17, 2024), and the State's Motion for Admissibility (filed May 6, 2024), and having considered the witnesses' testimony, the exhibits admitted into evidence, the arguments of counsel, and the applicable statutes and case law, now grants the State's Request for Pre-Trial Ruling on Admissibility pursuant to I.C. 25-33-1-17. The statements given by defendant to Dr. Monica H. Wala, Psy.D., are not privileged based upon the exception noted in the Statute, "(1) Trials for homicide when the disclosure relates directly to the fact or immediate circumstances of said homicide." All statements given by defendant to Dr. Wala are admissible in the trial. Defendant's arguments to the contrary go to the weight the jury would give such statements, not their admissibility. Having taken the State's Motion to Dismiss the Motion to Suppress Filed April 11, 2024 under advisement at the hearing, the Court agrees with the State that the defendant has failed to comply with the Criminal Rules of Procedure by neglecting to clearly state which specific statements he is seeking to suppress, nor the legal basis for the suppression. Despite these deficiencies, the Court has been able to determine that the statements given to the defendant's family members were voluntary, not coerced by any State action, and were not made under threats of violence, or improper influence. Although the Defendant is clearly in custody, he initiated the communication with his family and was not subject to custodial interrogation when he spoke to this family. Further, the statements given by defendant to the correctional officers, inmate companions, the Warden, mental health personnel, medical personnel, and the Indiana State Police were unsolicited by any of those individuals and were voluntarily given without coercion or interrogation. The defendant has not shown that he suffered from psychological coercion by the State which caused him to make these statements. To the contrary, the evidence shows he specifically sought out the Warden by written communication he initiated, and verbal statements he offered to guards, inmate companions, mental health professionals, and medical personnel. The defendant has failed to show any of these statements were the result of coercive interrogation by the State, or that they were the result of his pre-trial detention. The totality of the circumstances of defendant's pre-trial detention were not intended to force confessions from the defendant. The defendant's pre-trial detention is to protect him from harm. The Court is not persuaded that the detention caused the defendant to make incriminating statements. While the defendant does suffer from major depressive disorder and anxiety, those are not serious mental illnesses that prevent the defendant from making voluntary statements. The Court finds the statements given by the defendant to Dr. Wala, the Warden, inmates, guards, medical personnel, mental health professionals, and law enforcement personnel were not coerced, were voluntary, were not the result of interrogation by the State or its actors, nor the product of his confinement and, therefore, denies the defendant's Motion to Suppress Statements filed April 11, 2024. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed:

Defense is toast imo.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Greencastle IN, population is around 10,000 and is located in Putnam Co.; Putnamville Correctional Facility is located In Greencastle and so is Dr. Jessica Fidler.

Maybe there is a connection or maybe not.

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/jessica-fidler-1491984#expertise

 

[shonyakay]

During the hearings NM asked Dr. Pearlmutter if a box cutter was used would that change her opinion.

Was NM verifying that a box cutter was in fact used?
If so RA is toast.

 

[shonyakay]

And why would a family practice doctor, hours away from Delphi, seeing the son (who was in puppy love with a victim) of a man that it's been ruled had nothing to do with the murders have anything thing to do with anything in this case?
Makes no sense, IMO

This doctor has something to do with BH and/or fam?

 

[Justice101]

RA was being video recorded 24/7 at Westville as a Defendant in a heinous double child homicide. The State has video evidence and written letters by RA himself that will prove he was not coerced by evil Odins or corrupt prison personnel.

According to his own Attorneys, RA was adjusting as well as can be expected from Nov until...the State's Discovery Dump in late March-early April. He was engaging in his defense, affable, good natured according to his own Defense. RA had been treated with depression and anxiety like millions of the population. He was obviously leading a productive life. Steady employment, financially stable, enjoyed pool tournaments and socializing down at the local pub, traveled with his wife.

His mental health changed significantly AFTER discovery. How coincidental?? He destroys his tablet, head slams himself, eats paper, poo. I'd say that was the cold, hard reality of his monstrous actions slapping him in the face.

Thank goodness the JURY will be able to see RA's actions on video verses the Defenses spiel of poor Rick, down in a hole in solitary confinement, being harassed and tormented by evil Odin Guards, pushed into psychosis, etc. The JURY will see these video confessions and read his letters of confessions and the context in which they were made.

RA saw his life, family and everything he supposedly cared about circling the drain and knew his secrets were coming out for all to see. The jury will see the before Discovery Rick and the after Rick.

MOO

#Justice4Abby&Libby

Post of the Year!

Well done @girlhasnoname

 

[Tealgrove]

Do you have a better theory? Because at this point in time we don’t have a clue why doctor was subpoenaed, if she always practised in the same town, nor what possible connection she might’ve had to RA.

But she must’ve been of interest to the D for a specific reason, which motivated their rushed attempt to subpoena her. MOO

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There could be a connection that is not even medical in nature. A co-worker somewhere, a friend of a friend. Friend of KA?

Could be anything really.

MOO

 

[Yemelyan]

I think, they needed possibly a D.O., and Dr. Fidler is a D.O.
Google:
A doctor of osteopathic medicine, also known as a D.O., is a fully trained and licensed doctor. A doctor of osteopathic medicine graduates from a U.S. osteopathic medical school.

Doctors of osteopathic medicine (DOs) practice a whole-person approach, which means they consider both the physical and mental needs of their patients. DOs strive to help patients be truly healthy in mind and body — not just free of symptoms.

After Osteopathic Treatment, it is not uncommon to experience a reaction. This treatment reaction typically unfolds over a 3-day period. It will gradually build for 1½ days and gradually subside for 1½ days. The reaction may be experienced as increased pain or soreness, tiredness or even sadness.

DOs are so very common in America, though, I really doubt you'd have to travel 90 miles even in a rural area to find one. They often practice alongside MDs in community practices; for many or most patients, the care would be indistinguishable from that given by an MD. This is MOO as someone who has had care from both kinds of doctors.

Indiana apparently has 1,800 osteopathic doctors: Home

 

[susiQ]

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On a brighter note, Cara Wieneke posted on her X that Indiana now has two, yes TWO, innocence projects. Apparently, Indiana has a problem. This might explain the 50 exonerations that have taken place there. Not hard to see why following this miscarriage of justice! JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829162849349804435

 

[photographer4]

RA was being video recorded 24/7 at Westville as a Defendant in a heinous double child homicide. The State has video evidence and written letters by RA himself that will prove he was not coerced by evil Odins or corrupt prison personnel.

According to his own Attorneys, RA was adjusting as well as can be expected from Nov until...the State's Discovery Dump in late March-early April. He was engaging in his defense, affable, good natured according to his own Defense. RA had been treated with depression and anxiety like millions of the population. He was obviously leading a productive life. Steady employment, financially stable, enjoyed pool tournaments and socializing down at the local pub, traveled with his wife.

His mental health changed significantly AFTER discovery. How coincidental?? He destroys his tablet, head slams himself, eats paper, poo. I'd say that was the cold, hard reality of his monstrous actions slapping him in the face.

Thank goodness the JURY will be able to see RA's actions on video verses the Defenses spiel of poor Rick, down in a hole in solitary confinement, being harassed and tormented by evil Odin Guards, pushed into psychosis, etc. The JURY will see these video confessions and read his letters of confessions and the context in which they were made.

RA saw his life, family and everything he supposedly cared about circling the drain and knew his secrets were coming out for all to see. The jury will see the before Discovery Rick and the after Rick.

MOO

#Justice4Abby&Libby

Coincidence? Or, maybe vicarious trauma from whatever he read and then a total breakdown thinking about being the man on trial for it all. I can’t imagine anyone faring well in that scenario, can you? Least of all someone who may well be innocent.

Mooooo

 

[photographer4]

But that family lived in Delphi. Why travel 90 minutes to go to a random MD?

sure gonna be interesting to find out!

 

[photographer4]

During the hearings NM asked Dr. Pearlmutter if a box cutter was used would that change her opinion.

Was NM verifying that a box cutter was in fact used?
If so RA is toast.

I’m confused. Is she an expert on tool marking or forensics? I thought she was the odinsim person? Why would she be qualified to give an answer on a murder weapon and moreover, how would she be? Mooo

 

[tlcya]

During the hearings NM asked Dr. Pearlmutter if a box cutter was used would that change her opinion.

Was NM verifying that a box cutter was in fact used?
If so RA is toast.

not sure if box cutter was an actual crime detail or NM simply used it because one of RA's many confessions alleged he used a box cutter.

regardless, Perlmutter opinioned the use of a ceremonial blade would be expected during ritual killings/sacrifices. I think NM used that line of rebuttal to point out to the judge that Perlmutter would have found ritual killing even if the girls had been murdered by lawn darts.

Because clearing, woods, water and around a Norse holiday MOO JMO

 

[sunshineray]

It may be for someone other than RA and involved in this case.

Whom do you think that may be?

 

[sunshineray]

This doctor has something to do with BH and/or fam?

BH and/or his family? I doubt that very much.

 

[photographer4]

BH and/or his family? I doubt that very much.

So why do you think they want her? In regards to whom?

 

[tlcya]

13News legal expert Katie Jackson-Lindsay said the judge’s ruling is a significant win for Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland.

“That's an advantage for the state. There's no question about it,” Jackson-Lindsay told 13News. “Any prosecutor would love to have a confession on a case, and so while it puts the defense in a position to defend something more, it gives the state an extreme advantage in showing, ‘We know we have the right guy because even the guy told you he's the right guy.’”
Jury can hear Richard Allen's alleged confessions to Delphi murders

“The Court is not persuaded that the detention caused the defendant to make incriminating statements,” Gull wrote Thursday. “While the defendant does suffer from major depressive disorder and anxiety, those are not serious mental illnesses that prevent the defendant from making voluntary statements.”
Jury to hear Richard Allen’s alleged confessions