Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[Salah11]

It’s crazy to to think we are only 6 weeks away from trial. Let’s hope the defense don’t try and delay again.

 

[statt#1]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that if SODDI, and there is evidence to that fact, then why hasn't SODDI been named and/or arrested? Why hasn't DT, Prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other authority brought charges against this person?

My opinion on the matter, NODDI.....NO other dude did it

 

[Salah11]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that if SODDI, and there is evidence to that fact, then why hasn't SODDI been named and/or arrested? Why hasn't DT, Prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other authority brought charges against this person?

My opinion on the matter, NODDI.....NO other dude did it

Because there is some grand conspiracy, it would seem. I don’t believe that for a second, but some seem to believe that is the case.

Why they would pick somebody like RA to frame is beyond me.

MOO

 

[justtrish]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that if SODDI, and there is evidence to that fact, then why hasn't SODDI been named and/or arrested? Why has DT, Prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other authority brought charges against this person?

My opinion on the matter, NODDI.....NO other dude did it

I agree! I do think even if there is another participant or person that in any way is connected to the crimes before, during, or at some point after, then that does not remove the guilt from RA as well. It can be true that someone else was involved AND RA is the one that abducted them and murdered them or participated in that and therefore he is still guilty of what he is charged with.

I think the fact they were still asking for tips after he was arrested and not ruling anything out says a lot about their determination to get not only THE guy, but anyone that could have played any part in this crime. They didn't narrow it down to RA and then pin it all on him, they still were open to investigating any connections others might have to RA and this crime.

It's difficult to discuss this when the state has kept as quiet as possible to protect their case, which is exactly what they are required to do by way of the gag order. Then we have the defense putting out so much of their theory (not facts) and then referencing certain interviews or exhibits that we the public don't have access to as a way to back up their claims. So all we have on our side is to say at trial we will all know the facts and those that believe what the D is putting out are citing these memos as fact, but there is zero to verify that what is claimed is actually factual. It's their interpretation and they have picked small pieces of statements from interviews to say that xyz is true. They are not going to put out anything ahead of the trial that makes their client look guilty. I understand this is their job and they are just defending their client, but this doesn't make their claims facts, nor does it make it a lie.. they can pick and choose exactly what to put out and how to word it so it isn't a lie, but it isn't the entire truth.. all the parts they exclude that point directly at their client.. we will hear that at trial. We will hear these witnesses first hand about who they saw and what they saw. We will hear about the entire recording on Libby's phone, we will hear from DD about how RA's interview was set up and then how his tip was misfiled, we will hear it all and so will the jury.. they can decide weather this entire case is a big frame job of RA or if he in fact was BG and responsible for this crime.


Maybe others are involved, and if they are, I want them held accountable also. Holding RA accountable does not mean anyone else that could have been involved is just going to walk free nor does it mean LE no longer cares about charging anyone else. It seems that is what many think will happen if RA is found guilty. LE will suddenly not care if anyone else helped and since they got RA, they can just go on and call it solved. This is the brutal murder of 2 young girls and I haven't seen a single thing that suggests LE does not or would not want all those involved to be brought to justice.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Looks like the State didn't offer KAK any sweet deal for anything, his 40 year sentence appeal was denied.

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The Indiana Court of Appeals has unanimously rejected Kegan Kline’s request to overturn the prison sentence.

MSN.

 

[TTF14]

It’s crazy to to think we are only 6 weeks away from trial. Let’s hope the defense don’t try and delay again.

Unless new discovery has come in and they (either side) needs time to review/understand it all.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

Maybe others are involved, and if they are, I want them held accountable also. Holding RA accountable does not mean anyone else that could have been involved is just going to walk free nor does it mean LE no longer cares about charging anyone else. It seems that is what many think will happen if RA is found guilty. LE will suddenly not care if anyone else helped and since they got RA, they can just go on and call it solved. This is the brutal murder of 2 young girls and I haven't seen a single thing that suggests LE does not or would not want all those involved to be brought to justice.

RSBM

Yes, this is a fear of mine.

IMO

 

[gremlin444]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

In my opinion, if someone is just trying to cover up a body by throwing some sticks over it, the sticks do not land and place themselves in such a formation so that criminal investigators think it could possibly be some type of Odinist ritual. That's not really true, imo. If you look at how the...

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Sunshineray was asking about where Dr. Fidler did her residency. Starting July 2018, she spent 36 months in the residency program at Franciscan Health Family Medicine Center in Indianapolis. The article states the residents would also work with expectant mothers through that practice and go on to deliver babies at the hospital (I did not know family medicine did that!).

Marketplace: Six medical residents join Franciscan - The Republic News

A new class of eight physicians is beginning training in the Family Medicine Residency Program at Franciscan Health Indianapolis. The physicians will join the Franciscan medical staff in July. Dr. Tyler Beach, DO, Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine Dr. Aaron Blair, MD, Indiana...

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Before that, while she was still in med school, as a third year student she was part of a program where she did some rotations with Hendricks Regional Health.

Both of these hospital health systems are right outside Indianapolis and are over an hour to an hour and a half away from Delphi and Rushville. If someone from either city wanted to go to a hospital that wasn't local to them so they didn't bump into anyone they knew, there are many hospitals about 30 min away from each city that would be more obvious choices.

 

[sunshineray]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

In my opinion, if someone is just trying to cover up a body by throwing some sticks over it, the sticks do not land and place themselves in such a formation so that criminal investigators think it could possibly be some type of Odinist ritual. That's not really true, imo. If you look at how the...

www.websleuths.com

Sunshineray was asking about where Dr. Fidler did her residency. Starting July 2018, she spent 36 months in the residency program at Franciscan Health Family Medicine Center in Indianapolis. The article states the residents would also work with expectant mothers through that practice and go on to deliver babies at the hospital (I did not know family medicine did that!).

Marketplace: Six medical residents join Franciscan - The Republic News

A new class of eight physicians is beginning training in the Family Medicine Residency Program at Franciscan Health Indianapolis. The physicians will join the Franciscan medical staff in July. Dr. Tyler Beach, DO, Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine Dr. Aaron Blair, MD, Indiana...

www.therepublic.com

Before that, while she was still in med school, as a third year student she was part of a program where she did some rotations with Hendricks Regional Health.

Both of these hospital health systems are right outside Indianapolis and are over an hour to an hour and a half away from Delphi and Rushville. If someone from either city wanted to go to a hospital that wasn't local to them so they didn't bump into anyone they knew, there are many hospitals about 30 min away from each city that would be more obvious choices.

Thanks gremlin444! So she still was a good long way away from Delphi and Rushville areas. So it seems it would be logical to take the it has nothing to do with RA's case to heart. MO

 

[ClearAhead]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

In my opinion, if someone is just trying to cover up a body by throwing some sticks over it, the sticks do not land and place themselves in such a formation so that criminal investigators think it could possibly be some type of Odinist ritual. That's not really true, imo. If you look at how the...

www.websleuths.com

Sunshineray was asking about where Dr. Fidler did her residency. Starting July 2018, she spent 36 months in the residency program at Franciscan Health Family Medicine Center in Indianapolis. The article states the residents would also work with expectant mothers through that practice and go on to deliver babies at the hospital (I did not know family medicine did that!).

Marketplace: Six medical residents join Franciscan - The Republic News

A new class of eight physicians is beginning training in the Family Medicine Residency Program at Franciscan Health Indianapolis. The physicians will join the Franciscan medical staff in July. Dr. Tyler Beach, DO, Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine Dr. Aaron Blair, MD, Indiana...

www.therepublic.com

Before that, while she was still in med school, as a third year student she was part of a program where she did some rotations with Hendricks Regional Health.

Both of these hospital health systems are right outside Indianapolis and are over an hour to an hour and a half away from Delphi and Rushville. If someone from either city wanted to go to a hospital that wasn't local to them so they didn't bump into anyone they knew, there are many hospitals about 30 min away from each city that would be more obvious choices.

Often times doctors are referred by people who’ve experienced successful treatment outcomes to others such as friends, neighbours or coworkers. So unless someone is looking for the closest out of town doctor without recommendations, a 90 minute drive isn’t out of the question. But we just don’t know what her connection is, or for that matter if it’s even medical related. IMO

 

[ShamelessObserver]

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[Salah11]

I hope we hear Judge Gulls decision in the next few days on the Motion to Limine.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that if SODDI, and there is evidence to that fact, then why hasn't SODDI been named and/or arrested? Why hasn't DT, Prosecution, FBI, ISP, or any other authority brought charges against this person?

My opinion on the matter, NODDI.....NO other dude did it

You do recall the crazy presser where the new sketch was revealed, but everyone was told not to disregard the first sketch? Not exactly a stellar team. moo I'll wait for the trial to form an opinion on RA's guilt or innocence. But just bc no one else has been charged, imoo, doesn't convince me in any way of RA's guilt. amoo

 

[sunshineray]

You do recall the crazy presser where the new sketch was revealed, but everyone was told not to disregard the first sketch? Not exactly a stellar team. moo I'll wait for the trial to form an opinion on RA's guilt or innocence. But just bc no one else has been charged, imoo, doesn't convince me in any way of RA's guilt. amoo

Do his massive string of confessions give you any pause about his innocence? Just curious

 

[schooling]

You do recall the crazy presser where the new sketch was revealed, but everyone was told not to disregard the first sketch? Not exactly a stellar team. moo I'll wait for the trial to form an opinion on RA's guilt or innocence. But just bc no one else has been charged, imoo, doesn't convince me in any way of RA's guilt. amoo

This is not the first case on the planet where early leads were chased down and resulted in nothing. It's not even the 10,000th case. IMO.

I'm in the "Both BG Sketches Could Be RA" party. I think the two sketches aer a lot closer than most people care to admit. And aside from the shadings and the facial hair the two sketches are a lot closer than most care to admit.