Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

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shonyakay said:
Imo they released the second sketch because the first sketch had been public for two years and they still didn't have the perp. That is just my guess.

There are similarities in the two sketches but also dissimilarities. For instance, BG in BB's sketch has a long chin. BG in the video and the man in SC's sketch has a small chin with a frown like RA. Yet both ladies say BG from the video is the man they believe they saw that day.

No wonder the FBI did not want LE to do that presser. They did it anyway. I hope we hear more about why LE thought that necessary.

Doug Carter says he can't wait to tell the story as to why they did what they did. Can't wait to hear it.
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I'd never heard that the FBI didn't want the ISP to do that April 2019 PC? If anything it sounded like to me that ISP Carter was saying things inspired by FBI profilers. Do you have a link to that? TIA
 
sunshineray said:
If he was an innocent man, why in the world would the thought come into his head that he had to admit to killing two little girls to get to heaven with his family...if he DIDN'T do it?
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I also think it’s impossible to relate to the number of confessions as well. One or two but over 60? During that period of time he had to have been confessing to virtually everyone he talked to!

I don’t see it as the prison’s fault at all. Instead I blame his defense team for doing nothing while they knew this long list of confessions was ongoing. They only had to obtain an independent psychological assessment which may’ve actually proven the conditions at the prison were harming his mental health.

Instead the D did nothing to stop RA from confessing, on and on.

Why? Probably because they didn’t want all his existing mental issues on record, none of which would cause a person to falsely confess to crimes they didn’t commit. MOO
 
ClearAhead said:
Maybe in order to make a fair comparison it should be noted that prisoners held under solitary confinement are not granted privileges including visitors, recreation time or phonecalls. Just because RA was not thrown amongst the general population for his own protection does not mean he was held in solitary confinement, to the normal definition of the term.

The Judge has already ruled he wasn’t treated harshly so what can be accomplished by rehashing something that’s already ruled upon?

“Indiana State Police Detective Brian Harshman testified that he has reviewed 650-670 of Allen’s phone calls during his incarceration covering more than 150 hours.”

That eventually led to a July 19, 2023, hearing in which Special Judge Fran Gull ruled that Allen had been “treated more favorably” than others being held at Westville. She believed he should remain there.
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I'm not sure that solitary confinement and segregation are different. MSM calls it one thing and Westville calls it another but I think they are probably the same.

DELPHI, Ind. — For a year and nine months, accused Delphi double killer Richard Allen has languished inside two state prisons, locked in solitary confinement, officials said, for his own safety, while awaiting trial for the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German near the Monon High Bridge in Carroll County in 2017.

Here is Galipeau's affidavit spelling out who gets what in segregation. I don't have a link handy for what he was provided with while in suicide watch.
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I understand that the judge's decision counts here.
 
TTF14 said:
Psychological torture? Psychotic break?

IMO MOO
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Why wouldn’t RA’s attourney’s have had RA undergo an independent mental health evaluation? It’s one thing to later allege RA was undergoing a psychotic break by having displayed photos of him in a dirty recreation shirt, but quite another to actually have done something at the time to support those allegations and showing they cared about the well-being of their client.

Instead the D did nothing and it’s too late now, the Judge has allowed the confessions to stand.

MOO
 
ClearAhead said:
Why wouldn’t RA’s attourney’s have had RA undergo an independent mental health evaluation? It’s one thing to later allege RA was undergoing a psychotic break by having displayed photos of him in a dirty recreation shirt, but quite another to actually have done something at the time to support those allegations and showing they cared about the well-being of their client.

Instead the D did nothing and it’s too late now, the Judge has allowed the confessions to stand.

MOO
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I've seen this question asked a lot here, but I'm not sure what you mean. You mean someone other than Dr. Wala? Someone from outside the prison?
 
I personally have zero sympathy for him as he is only suffering from these circumstances because he killed two girls. This is all his own doing because he is twisted and sick and had to be protected due to the nature of the crime. If he has ended up injured because he had been attacked then people would also moan about that. In such cases LE are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

IMO
 
FrostedGlass said:
Sometimes I think about what it would be like to be locked up in my bathroom for the next 2 years. No place to sit except on a hard toilet, a prison mattress or the cold floor. Having someone watch me 24 hours a day. The noise I couldn't block out.

I would not do well, at all.
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Maybe, RA did so many confessions, because he hoped, he would get out of his "bathroom" for some hours and would finally be questioned re his confessions. But nobody seemed to give it a special meaning. Understandably, if inmates/pretrial detainees do it all the time, again and again, for no apparent reason. MOO
 
Levels of security in the Westville Housing Units:
• R dorm (WCA) holds 381 minimum security inmates. It provides the labor force used outside the secured perimeter and in the Lion’s Club Eyeglass Recycling Program.
• WCU holds 110 maximum security inmates assigned to long-term restricted housing plus110 inmates in disciplinary segregation.
• The General Services Complex (GSC) operates the Re-Entry Program, Admission &Orientation Unit, and Notre Dame/Holy Cross college program
• The Education Complex (EC) provides literacy through vocational education, and houses over 360 offenders in the Therapeutic Community (TC) substance abuse program.
• The Industrial Complex (IC) contains PEN Products which makes , pallets and recycles surplus CDs/DVDs and operates PLUS - a faith and character based program.
• Inmates assigned to GSC, EC and IC are primarily medium security
 
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There was nobody trying to extract anything from RA except to getting to stop harming himself. The judge ruled, after much consideration on the evidence shown her, that RA was not coerced by anyone and his depression and anxiety conditions did not play a role in his confessions, any of them. All his actions were monitored and his communications recorded, just like any other defendant under suicide watch and behind bars. It's been testified that RA was writing confession to the warden and even yelling them out to him as he made his rounds, hardly extracted from him. On his phone calls with family they were telling him to stop talking and confessing, hardly extracting anything from him. His doctor was telling him not to talk to her about confessing and to talk to his lawyers about it, hardly extracting it from him. AJMO
 
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Justice101 said:
I apologize.. I thought RA was only in high supervision and not actual solitary confinement even though I stated it that way. My error. That is a different case.

I thought it was illegal to have a prisoner in total solitary confinement for more than 15 days.
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He wasn't alone, he had companion inmates, he also had use of a tablet to call out and contact family when he wanted. If a person is still in danger from themselves and others after 15 days do they just throw them to the wolves, themselves or others? I would think not. MO
 
Just thinking. Seems very odd, 61+ confessions to who knows how many people in total, yet RA did not confess to his attorneys as well and seek to plead guilty? Any evidence of that? Surely Galipeau would have a record, yes? When RA wrote the letter to Galipeau and when Galipeau “heard” RA confess (no audio of course) would he not have immediately contacted R & B to have them come to speak to their client so that they could proceed toward a guilty plea and just get it over with? OR, was it a better look for Galipeau to just let it ride and see how many more random confessions they could get from a man that was obviously in great distress (eating paper and feces) just for good measure? There’s enough information in the public realm to paint a very disturbing picture of Westville under Galipeau and the influence of white supremest guards and inmates. JMO

In the words of a legal legend (in my mind), “As I have said, all coerced confessions are involuntary, but a confession can be involuntary without being coerced.” Michael Ausbrook

This isn’t over by a long shot. Just because JG gave her “opinion” regarding the confessions, it does not necessarily mean it will stand the test of time. JMO
 
FrostedGlass said:
Sometimes I think about what it would be like to be locked up in my bathroom for the next 2 years. No place to sit except on a hard toilet, a prison mattress or the cold floor. Having someone watch me 24 hours a day. The noise I couldn't block out.

I would not do well, at all.
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Should potentially dangerous accused child murderers be bailed and allowed to walk among the community? Maybe his lawyer's negligence played a role in his situation, delaying a speedy trial, asking for continuances, never having their client's mental health evaluated and treated properly? MO
 
ClearAhead said:
Why wouldn’t RA’s attourney’s have had RA undergo an independent mental health evaluation? It’s one thing to later allege RA was undergoing a psychotic break by having displayed photos of him in a dirty recreation shirt, but quite another to actually have done something at the time to support those allegations and showing they cared about the well-being of their client.

Instead the D did nothing and it’s too late now, the Judge has allowed the confessions to stand.

MOO
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They did nothing
 
Salah11 said:
I personally have zero sympathy for him as he is only suffering from these circumstances because he killed two girls. This is all his own doing because he is twisted and sick and had to be protected due to the nature of the crime. If he has ended up injured because he had been attacked then people would also moan about that. In such cases LE are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

IMO
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I wonder how county jail is working out for him? A lot of coming and goings in jail, new people all the time. I hope the protection from harm/harming and mental health issues are being addressed sufficiently. MO
 
FromGermany1 said:
Maybe, RA did so many confessions, because he hoped, he would get out of his "bathroom" for some hours and would finally be questioned re his confessions. But nobody seemed to give it a special meaning. Understandably, if inmates/pretrial detainees do it all the time, again and again, for no apparent reason. MOO
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I wonder how many times he outright confessed to his lawyers and their staff? Why would they be omitted from it? I'd think they were not, MO
 
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