Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #196

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, the search was offically called of overnight. Didn't a lot of searchers continue searching though? I vaguely remember, some show, maybe on the Oxygen Network, where the local Fire Dept man saying he was called to bring in lights overnight? I think the Sheriff was also in that show and mentioned some continued searching through the night? Does that ring a bell with anyone?

My point would be the same as yours, what killer(s) would return to the scene of the abduction, that has people still actively searching it, to bring back either dead bodies or live victims to kill them there? That wouldn't make any sense to me. I also don't think the blood evidence would back up that scenario. AJMO

That is correct, the official search was called off but family members and many locals were still searching on their own with flashlights and car headlights according to WTHR 13News the following morning.

Seems pretty risky and stupid for the murderer to be out there trying to move around bodies, but we are talking about someone who viciously murdered Abby & Libby.

IMO

 

[mrjitty]

Agree, also considering the blood pooling for both Abby and Libby being where they were located as testified to by the State CSI/blood expert during the last hearings as reported by TMS Part 3.

JMO

Yes - they would have had to have been brought back alive and then murdered in the middle of the night.

Seems highly unlikely to me.

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes - they would have had to have been brought back alive and then murdered in the middle of the night.

Seems highly unlikely to me.

Brought back to exactly the spot the phone stopped moving many hours earlier, and one of the victims laid over the phone and killed... without the phone moving at all.

Not plausible.

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

They are going to question the TOD heavily at the trial IMO, the state is using the phones movements to create the TOD while there wasn’t one listed on the autopsy or medical examiner reports.

If they can bring reasonable doubt to the TOD they can create an alibi for RA and it would also break others alibis.

IMO

We don’t actually know this for a fact. What was said was apparently another carefully worded item by the defense. I believe there will be a timeframe the murders occurred within the autopsy report as this is fairly common versus a specific time. The defense‘s main pretrial strategy seems to be wordplay and misleading (but not entirely untrue) statements, as shown when comparing testimony to the Franks memos for instance.

All my opinion.

 

[mrjitty]

We don’t actually know this for a fact. What was said was apparently another carefully worded item by the defense. I believe there will be a timeframe the murders occurred within the autopsy report as this is fairly common versus a specific time. The defense‘s main pretrial strategy seems to be wordplay and misleading (but not entirely untrue) statements, as shown when comparing testimony to the Franks memos for instance.

All my opinion.

100% agree.

It seems likely the state case will estimate TOD from a number of circumstantial points, including medical IMO

 

[Tealgrove]

Yes, the search was offically called of overnight. Didn't a lot of searchers continue searching though? I vaguely remember, some show, maybe on the Oxygen Network, where the local Fire Dept man saying he was called to bring in lights overnight? I think the Sheriff was also in that show and mentioned some continued searching through the night? Does that ring a bell with anyone?

My point would be the same as yours, what killer(s) would return to the scene of the abduction, that has people still actively searching it, to bring back either dead bodies or live victims to kill them there? That wouldn't make any sense to me. I also don't think the blood evidence would back up that scenario. AJMO

Family and friends continued searching through the night.

I remember this distinctly. It might even had been Tobe Lazenby that made that remark.

Point being, the search may have officially stopped for the night but people were still there. It’s not like they all just packed it in and left.

I’m going to add MOO to this as after 7 years and getting close to 200 threads it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to find a link to this.

 

[Salah11]

The blood all points to them dying at the scene. That kind of science doesn’t lie either.

If the defense try and move time of death it will fall flat on their face as it simply doesn’t add up with the evidence.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

The blood all points to them dying at the scene. That kind of science doesn’t lie either.

If the defense try and move time of death it will fall flat on their face as it simply doesn’t add up with the evidence.

MOO

Honestly, I think the Defence is well aware that their theory on TOD is pretty much hogwash and won’t fly at trial.

They need to come up with something I guess.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

The blood all points to them dying at the scene. That kind of science doesn’t lie either.

If the defense try and move time of death it will fall flat on their face as it simply doesn’t add up with the evidence.

MOO

I do wonder if we will end up with an absurdity where the defence claims variously that they were murdered elsewhere and blood drained, and brought back to the scene and murdered there - but the jury only ever hears about one of these conspiracies.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

100% agree.

It seems likely the state case will estimate TOD from a number of circumstantial points, including medical IMO

And probably stomach contents too as the girls slept in and then had those banana pancakes that late morning.

 

[Tealgrove]

I’ve seen it mentioned several times here that TOD is not mentioned on the Autopsy Reports. Since the Autopsy Reports have not been released publicly I’m wondering where this is coming from.

Is there a link to this information or is this rumour?

TIA