Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[Kudzuu]

Wow! In my opinion very few on here are listening anymore. MOO.
Let's take a deep breath and remember this is not a contest.

This is a trial and hopefully an explanation for the reason 2 tweens had their throats cut. Then bled out. One naked. One dressed in her best friend's clothes.

The jury has an awful emotional job to do BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY ARE GIVEN.
In a way they too are potential victims because when all is said and done some of them may regret the decision they made.

Abby and Libby deserve justice. Please let's agree on that and let the jury decide. We have opinions and most likely so do the jurors. They have a long row to hoe.

"Just the facts, Ma’am."

IMHO.

 

[Inthedetails]

Wow! In my opinion very few on here are listening anymore. MOO.
Let's take a deep breath and remember this is not a contest.

This is a trial and hopefully an explanation for the reason 2 tweens had their throats cut. Then bled out. One naked. One dressed in her best friend's clothes.

The jury has an awful emotional job to do BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY ARE GIVEN.
In a way they too are potential victims because when all is said and done some of them may regret the decision they made.

Abby and Libby deserve justice. Please let's agree on that and let the jury decide. We have opinions and most likely so do the jurors. They have a long row to hoe.

"Just the facts, Ma’am."

IMHO.

I hear ya, but I think we're listening so hard it hurts. Honestly, this group is paying attention to what dribs and drabs we get.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

Could dramatically shorten the trial if their ‘additional witnesses’ mostly pertain to Odinism. MOO

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

The judge’s decisions came after arguments in court late Friday afternoon. The defense team had asked for a ruling on their motion, which had been made days earlier, before they proceeded with additional witnesses before the jury.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yo are speaking of SC, the witness who testified to the "muddy and bloody". She insisted that it was BG that she saw walking.

The young guy by the mailbox a few thousand feet up the road where the gate to the private driveway begins? That was the morning of 13th February. The witness testified she did not see him again after that intitial glimpse. And no one else saw a similar guy on or around the trails or the MHB tat afternoon or around the time of the crimes.

The Defence's own filing for bringing in the Odinism/3rd Party the other day is "because a State witness tesified that there were branches on the bodies." That was in their original Franks' that was denied. People covering bodies with sticks, leaves etc is not a show "proof" of Odinism IMO.

About that young guy: it's very possible for him to have hung out near the south end of the bridge or even under it and no one would have seen him. MOO

 

[m00c0w]

Could dramatically shorten the trial if their ‘additional witnesses’ mostly pertain to Odinism. MOO

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

The judge’s decisions came after arguments in court late Friday afternoon. The defense team had asked for a ruling on their motion, which had been made days earlier, before they proceeded with additional witnesses before the jury.

I think we’re about to see a long line of repetitive attempts to submit evidence and lengthy offers of proof when the prosecution objects. I don’t expect this team to fully drop Odinism yet.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Two other witnesses testified they saw men who were not described as RA. There is reasonable doubt that bridge guy is the person who committed these crimes, there’s reasonable doubt bridge guy is even RA (I think he is bridge guy)

And to the odinisim nonsense, just because RA may be receiving sub standard and or poor legal defense doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be afforded a defense and I completely disagree with anyone saying there’s not the possibility after multiple witnesses say they saw other men in the area, and on top of that there’s the whole Anthony shots account catfishing nonsense, not brung up could be related too poor counsel as well

There have been cases in the past where court railroaded a potential suspect who was innocent not just not guilty, we need to afford every person the chance to have a defense and it seems RA will not be able to do this so why was there even a trial

MOO

Has the Defense rested?

They've supoenaed Weber. Pray tell they didn't place all their eggs in the one basket.

 

[MiniMoo]

They had a mock robbery at the bank I worked at with 10 bank employees present. None of the description matched.

Did they at least get the gender right?!

 

[katydid23]

Yes, they are. I don't have a problem stating such. So explain allowing his and not someone else's.

Neither of the other people were shown to be at the crime scene on that day. LE tried really hard to connect them to the crime since they confessed, but we all know that sometimes people confess for odd reasons. Once it was found that neither of them were in Delphi at the time and neither of them looked like he could be BG, they were eliminated.

The other option was someone who has been shown to be at the crime scene, has confessed over 60 times and even exp0lained his motive.

 

[fred&edna]

I think we’re about to see a long line of repetitive attempts to submit evidence and lengthy offers of proof when the prosecution objects. I don’t expect this team to fully drop Odinism yet.

JMO

'Seems about right. Does everyone think the judge will continue to deny these O motions? If so, will they likely be for the same reasons she's previously stated?

 

[photographer4]

Interesting.
If you are sure they would say RA was not the man they saw, why didn’t defense ask them if the man they saw was RA?

Why would they call for speculation? They can't prove they saw RA with photos or video or the state would have introduced those into evidence imo.

 

[MiniMoo]

I thought the descriptions were close enough that it could be the man in Libby's video. One said black coat, another said blue. Small differences.

Did any of the witnesses look at the photo of the man in the video and declare that they did not see him?

But none pointed at Richard Allen to say:
"That is the man I saw!"


JMO MOO JMT

 

[NoeticSoul]

Could dramatically shorten the trial if their ‘additional witnesses’ mostly pertain to Odinism. MOO

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

The judge’s decisions came after arguments in court late Friday afternoon. The defense team had asked for a ruling on their motion, which had been made days earlier, before they proceeded with additional witnesses before the jury.

It really doesn't seem as if they had ANY defense to prepare at all, for the last 7 years besides fancy stick placing cults.

 

[BUF]

'Seems about right. Does everyone think the judge will continue to deny these O motions? If so, will they likely be for the same reasons she's previously stated?

IMO I believe this judge is done with Odinism and will continue to deny any attempts at this.

 

[photographer4]

Three of the five were together in a group. They agree on the number (one) of men they saw.

Still doesn't make the one man RA... mooo.

 

[MassGuy]

Still doesn't make the one man RA... mooo.

So no one saw Allen who was on the trail at the same time as those witnesses, yet these people all saw BG, who was dressed exactly like Richard Allen?

Make it make sense.

 

[KSwizzle]

But none pointed at Richard Allen to say:
"That is the man I saw!"


JMO MOO JMT

Well Harshman said he was the phone guy and since he listened to enough phone calls he knows that it is RA’s voice because I guess he’s an expert on that, and the judge allowed it. Mind you there are many people in RA’s life who have listened and talked to RA much more than Harshman and none of them have said it was his voice on the Snapchat video.

And now it seems RA can’t even present a defense that isn’t necessarily a contradiction to state witnesses

This whole thing is gross even if he is, and I do think he’s guilty, MOO

 

[MrsWatson]

But none pointed at Richard Allen to say:
"That is the man I saw!"


JMO MOO JMT

Why didn't the defense straight out ask, " Is this the man you saw?"

 

[Vern]

About that young guy: it's very possible for him to have hung out near the south end of the bridge or even under it and no one would have seen him. MOO

Would have been a great question for this Defense witness.

Q: When he disappeared from beside the mailboxes, where could he possibly have gone?
A: Into the woods.

 

[MassGuy]

Well Harshman said he was the phone guy and since he listened to enough phone calls he knows that it is RA’s voice because I guess he’s an expert on that, and the judge allowed it. Mind you there are many people in RA’s life who have listened and talked to RA much more than Harshman and none of them have said it was his voice on the Snapchat video.

And now it seems RA can’t even present a defense that isn’t necessarily a contradiction to state witnesses

This whole thing is gross even if he is, and I do think he’s guilty, MOO

They can still go with a general denial defense, which I've seen a bunch in cases with much stronger evidence of third party culpability (that's not saying much).

Here they will call a ballistics expert to refute the state's contention that there is in fact a match with Allen's gun.

They can call an expert to show that his prison conditions make the confessions unreliable.

They can attack the timeline and witness statements.

They can show the investigation was sloppy (I don't think anyone would dispute that).

I would like to see this Odinism theory come in if the legal bar is as low as we are being led to believe. But from what I've seen based on the jury questions, they are a smart bunch. That garbage wouldn't have gotten the defense anywhere.

 

[photographer4]

Fox59 video report explicitly said RA said white van. I posted the link yesterday.

Seems the trial Judge should have allowed media / audio / video recordings then because we have a discrepancy in the media as to what was said by the defendant vs what was testified to by Dr. Wala. I'll wait for the official transcript should one ever become available however, until then, I do not believe that RA said he saw a "white van" - I believe Dr. Wala said that he said he saw a van. moo