Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[minor4th]

Okay so if RA was psychotic when he confessed or mentally ill is he better now? And if so why hasn't he called and told his mom and wife that he didn't do it? I mean, he called them when he was "psychotic" and told them he did it, since he wants their love and approval so much IMO once he was "better" he would call and tell them "I didn't do it I wasn't in my right mind when I said that I did" or something to that effect.

If these calls exist of him denying this will we hear them from the defense? Or do they not exist?

The defense wouldn’t be able to admit phone calls of him saying “I didn’t do it” because it would be hearsay. Only the prosecution can enter RA’s out of court statements.

 

[DoctorRose]

Strange lack of updates today. WishTV started and then just stopped updating the morning session. I wonder if there’s an issue with pool notes or something.

They’re probably focused on the election. I think WTHR is pausing Delphi coverage for that reason today JMO.

 

[Mitch1]

According to Warren, the difference between a cycled round and a fired round is the difference in pressure and time. Both can be different, even if it came from the same gun.

 

[m00c0w]

I don’t think there’s been any evidence about the geofence because the judge excluded it.

She did not. That is complete misinformation from the pro-Defense YouTubers and social media people.

JMO

 

[EllaMinnowP]

I personally think that the P hasn’t gotten to BARD in many ways,

the evidence that they had to arrest him isn’t in my opinion, sufficient to warrant the level of pretrial detention in state prison, nor enough to demonstrate RA is BG and/or that BG is the killer

While the confessions are problematic for the D, the confessions came after extreme pretrial detention conditions and possible deteriorating mental health

And while the bullet could be a match for RA’s gun, it wasn’t like fingerprints and shown to be exclusively from his gun-

This taken with some of the rulings against the D prohibiting them from presenting alternative scenarios (whether or not I think they are ridiculous or not is irrelevant) and the judge trying to remove council etc…

All together I can see how the jury might not get to guilty BARD and LE, P and judge have laid grounds for appeal themselves…

All moo

RBBM

The jurors most likely won’t be aware of the pretrial motions and rulings, though, imo. Even if any of them are, they are not to factor that extraneous information into their deliberations.
MOO

 

[Crutmauler]

RA placed himself on the bridge.
RA confessed to the murders with information only the killer would know.

First of all, the bridge is not the crime scene.

You are claiming that RA had information that only the killer would know. What information are you talking about?

 

[Yuletide]

I personally think that the P hasn’t gotten to BARD in many ways,

the evidence that they had to arrest him isn’t in my opinion, sufficient to warrant the level of pretrial detention in state prison, nor enough to demonstrate RA is BG and/or that BG is the killer

While the confessions are problematic for the D, the confessions came after extreme pretrial detention conditions and possible deteriorating mental health

And while the bullet could be a match for RA’s gun, it wasn’t like fingerprints and shown to be exclusively from his gun-

This taken with some of the rulings against the D prohibiting them from presenting alternative scenarios (whether or not I think they are ridiculous or not is irrelevant) and the judge trying to remove council etc…

All together I can see how the jury might not get to guilty BARD and LE, P and judge have laid grounds for appeal themselves…

All moo

Except for tightly woven time frame constructed by the prosecution and Libby’s photo, video and snap chats with other hikers, that pesky bullet at the site of the murders that belongs to RA’s gun, and his own admission that he was at the bridge that day in those clothes.

 

[Vern]

Are the murder sheet people there in court?

Yes.

 

[Yuletide]

First of all, the bridge is not the crime scene.

You are claiming that RA had information that only the killer would know. What information are you talking about? :dunno:

The scene of the kidnapping. That is a crime

 

[ClearAhead]

First of all, the bridge is not the crime scene.

You are claiming that RA had information that only the killer would know. What information are you talking about.

Yes the bridge is part of the crime scene as it’s where the abduction of Libby and Abby occurred.

It was only yesterday when the white van was talked about. <modsnip - snarky>

 

[INfisherman]

The third witness of the morning was Dr. Erin Warren, who works with firearm and crime scene reconstruction. He detailed how cycled and unfired cartridges may receive markings.

RSBM BBM

@ClearAhead not directed at you, just jumping off your post

Please note the bolded portion. There’s a reason for the use of the word may….or could, should, etc.. This is going to be just as speculative as Oberg’s testimony (not definitive). Expect the state to point this out. If they do not, it will be both surprising & disappointing. Then again Oberg is 111-0…..

JMO

ETA spelling, clarity to OP

 

[ClearAhead]

Yes.

It’s really surreal how one has to leave their seats before lunch hour to go stand in line outside to be assured of afternoon seating.

 

[ClearAhead]

RSBM BBM

Please note the bolded portion. There’s a reason for the use of the word may….or could, should, etc.. This is going to be just as speculative as Oberg’s testimony (not definitive). Expect the state to point this out. If they do not, it will be both surprising & disappointing. Then again Oberg is 111-0…..

JMO

ETA spelling

Excellent point!

 

[photographer4]

Except for tightly woven time frame constructed by the prosecution and Libby’s photo, video and snap chats with other hikers, that pesky bullet at the site of the murders that belongs to RA’s gun, and his own admission that he was at the bridge that day in those clothes.

Edited... I don't buy into the science behind the bullet thing because it seems rather flawed to me. I don't buy that RA is guilty here. I think the state did a lousy job and the LE did a worse one. MOO.

 

[Harriett_Eva]

RBBM

The jurors most likely won’t be aware of the pretrial motions and rulings, though, imo. Even if any of them are, they are not to factor that extraneous information into their deliberations.
MOO

Agreed, they would be possible grounds for appeal-in my opinion - is what I was trying to say - while typing on my phone in a waiting room

 

[tlcya]

the bridge is the location of the abduction. the murder scene is the secondary crime scene. the crime being alleged began on the bridge.

 

[jepop]

The phone company may not have data now, but that data should have been obtained by the state at the time of investigation

Not if RA's 2017 phone was not in geo fence area. Why would his records be randomly obtained? Then his own tip was misfiled. Possibly 'cleared' because his 2017 number was not in geo fence area. I think it's pretty obvious RA lied when he said he was looking at his phone when on the trail that day. His phone was off or he left it in his car turned off. IMO. As to suppressing the geo fence numbers, the other phones in geo fence area belonged to cleared walkers who the defense has no business to harass. Privacy you know. Jmo

 

[Salah11]

the bridge is the location of the abduction. the murder scene is the secondary crime scene. the crime being alleged began on the bridge.

Yes I have never heard of the bridge not being part of the crime scene.

It’s where dear old RA Stalked them and pulled a gun on them so by that very nature it’s part of the crime scene.

 

[mrjitty]

She did not. That is complete misinformation from the pro-Defense YouTubers and social media people.

JMO

As we know, the defence sought to tap into a conspiracy that one of the young men who was called as a witness yesterday was the real killer. His phone was shown in the geofence warrant. That is why the state sought the motion in limine - to prevent the defence from pretending that the so-called geofence map showed the real killers at "the crime scene". This was covered by MS yesterday, as well as in their coverage of the discord leaks which revealed how the defence investigator was involved in trying to spread this conspiracy.

I pointed out at the time, those phones were likely not at the murder scene and so it proves - they were on the bridge as per yesterdays testimony.

 

[gremlin444]

But he did say to the juror he never went home without servicing his ATMs first.

That cannot be discounted or ignored.

Whoever did the initial interview - is the one we need to hear from to see what time was given.

However, the answer given to the juror more or less contradicted himself.

JMO MOO JMT

According to this article, that was not a question asked by the jury:

Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

At 3:26 p.m. the jury asked Weber questions:

Do you know if the ATMs would have photo or video of servicing? Weber says “not the actual ATMs , but some of the locations.”

1. How far in advance would you have to order cash for ATMs? Weber says getting cash isn’t a problem, but a week in advance.
2. What is the process to clock out of work? Weber says “turnstyle.”
3. What driveway do you use at home? Weber says, “driveway under the Monon High Bridge.”
4. Do you drive under the bridge, would you have taken that round on Feb. 13, 2017? Weber says yes.
5. Do you typically go home before servicing your ATMs? Weber says no.

He told the officers he went straight home that day and didn't service an ATM. That does not contradict his answer to the question the juror asked.