Aggravated waiting for the aggravation phase #6

[Quester]

ITA.

And since they obviously knew JA had problems and/or mental issues, and they obviously weren't THAT surprised that she could do something like this (at least her dad didn't appear to be), WHY do they believe her story of self defense??

I can only guess from what we have seen and heard that JA's parents most certainly do not believe the self defense baloney but are doing anything they can to save her life. JMO

FWIW: Since no woman on death row has been executed in AZ since the 1930s, and it sounds as though death row and LWOP inmates are similarly housed [not positive on this point], it's not apparent to me what the difference is between the two penalties [DP and LWOP] despite the fact that I believe JA has well earned the DP. JMO

 

[~Lyric~]

My understanding of the Son of Sam laws is that is prohibits a convict from profiting from the crime.

David Berkowitz cannot profit from a book about how he snuck up and shot people. He can write the book but proceeds must go to victims.

He can write a romance novel and is entitled to all the $$$ it generates unless someone as put a lien on furture assets.

The Supreme Court has had many issues with such laws, opponents say they put a financial burden on types of speech which is not constitutional. They have been struck down in quite a few states.

The Goldman's went after OJ's Money. They couldn't touch his "Football Money". However I think they were allow to collect on other certain money's. That is why he wanted "his stuff" so bad, so he could sell it. I'm not certain if there was "certain" garnishments, such as Income Tax returns or other monies he may have earned.
The Family have Travis's has an attorney that is filing a wrongful death lawsuit and the Court will decide the amount. Upon reading how "monies" work in prison for Arizona, even money that is in her account will have a percentage of it taken to go toward this settlement.
She will also have to pay her way out of her "bank monies" that she has there and any future monies that are deposited there.

 

[aa9511]

Because otherwise, they'd be in a corner, rocking, sucking their thumbs. I cannot imagine knowing that my child did what she did to Travis. Her father isn't using his defense mechanisms. He knows. Her Mom on the other hand can't begin to let it seep in.

I completely agree. The mom is completely believing Jodi's story b/c she WANTS TO...she doesn't want to deal with the reality...like mother, like daughter. I feel sorry for her other children who have been w/o mom for so long now. Like I've said before, it's ok for her to support her child, I understand that...but I don't think it's right that she goes there and WEARS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RIBBON. That shows to me that she believes Jodi's version of everything.

 

[nawd68]

Hmm, I didn't see anything on her account where she says she's not evil and nothing about trusting someone..... did she delete them?

Jodiann_arias is the account right? It was posted on the 11th.

 

[Bernina]

I hate this blame the parents crap. What exactly did her parent's ignore? How do you know so much about Jodi's childhood?

Surely the parents didn't know their daughter would brutally murder someone.

I look at it this way, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't, there is NO "Win, Win" situation. I'm not going to judge them unless I see/hear something that seems "off".
JA removed herself from that household just shy of her 18 birthday, went and did her own thing.
I was in a situation 8 years ago with my "daughter", she used my mom status in hearings to her advantage and only to her benefit to get what she wanted. When I was pulled aside by a social worker and told what the whole gig was, I called/wrote all the legal parties involved, told them I would not be used as a pawn and I was gone. Then some legal beagle calls and wants to know if I want to seek "grandparent's rights"......? Uh, no. 6 months of a circus, where I was being used as a dog jumping through hoops, and sign up for another go round? No thank you.
If JA was my daughter, I would not be there in court. No 2nd guesses. My daughter is very close to what JA is and I washed my hands of her 8 years ago. Lies and crimes have no place in my family.
The Arias family would be criticized for NOT being there in court, so I'm just going to lay off of them until something substantial comes down the road. JMO
:truce:

 

[KarmicLaw]

BBM.
I'm not sure about the regs regarding privacy but if I was BB I'd not be too happy about anyone intimately involved in my case in any professional capacity speaking about it on a public forum. JMO.
Also, no one can even begin to know how much she loved her husband or didn't love him, or how much more she loved her lifestyle. There but for the grace of God, go I.
He didn't simply 'trade her in'. Not by a longshot. JMO.

Actually, the "factual" evidence can attest to whether or not she loved him. Typically, one doesn't plan to murder a person that they love. That isn't love, that is toxic projection of ones own agenda onto another person. In Betty's case it was one of revenge, pure and simple. Dan didn't start out by going straight for full custody. It took two to tango in that tragic situation. I am not condoning Dan's actions in the case that contributed to her rage, any more than I condon Travis Alexander's actions in relation to Jodi. But again, it doesn't justify murder.

I violated no privacy and resent the implication.

 

[JustJudy]

Sorry....double post. My bad

 

[Hopeful One]

:seeya:

My guess is that she knew Jodi had issues and that she could become violent for no reason. Still my point here is that there was nothing she could have done previously to prevent the murder as another poster suggested.

I agree. And from what her dad said to Det. Flores, it sounds like JA really got loony in the last couple of years before the murder. More bonkers than she had been previously. And since she wasn't around them much during that time, they may not have had a complete picture of her bizarre behavior.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

I completely agree. The mom is completely believing Jodi's story b/c she WANTS TO...she doesn't want to deal with the reality...like mother, like daughter. I feel sorry for her other children who have been w/o mom for so long now. Like I've said before, it's ok for her to support her child, I understand that...but I don't think it's right that she goes there and WEARS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RIBBON. That shows to me that she believes Jodi's version of everything.

TBO, I don't think it's a choice. I think to protect her sanity, her mind won't allow her to face the truth. At least not now. She has a lot on her plate. Her husband has been seriously ill for many years, at least one other child has substance abuse issues, and she's trying to keep the family business afloat. I don't think she could handle the truth right now. Maybe one day it's going to hit her. And for that, I pity her.

 

[ChristYTN]

DRAT!! CFja is ruining hockey too!!

http://youtu.be/69inPU2OsIw

 

[Whack A Mole]

My understanding of the Son of Sam laws is that is prohibits a convict from profiting from the crime.

David Berkowitz cannot profit from a book about how he snuck up and shot people. He can write the book but proceeds must go to victims.

He can write a romance novel and is entitled to all the $$$ it generates unless someone as put a lien on furture assets.

The Supreme Court has had many issues with such laws, opponents say they put a financial burden on types of speech which is not constitutional. They have been struck down in quite a few states.

Here's a good article on Arizona's Son of Sam law. It sounds like it's prone to a constitutional challenge...

http://www.nationalledger.com/polit...rial-killers-son-of-257655.shtml#.UZKOBrXlZzw :seeya:

 

[fran]

Attention Again Peeps!

Friendly reminder that Websleuths is a victim friendly website and along with the family and friends of Travis Alexander as collateral victims, if you will, the Arias family is considered victims of JA's crime as well.

Please remember to think before you hit the submit button.

TIA for your cooperation,
fran

:seeya:

 

[JustJudy]

In related news: Where is Weebles?

 

[Tuba]

To clear up any question about closed custody, it is for those considered dangerous or unpredictable (in behavior). It is not a custody provided for the inmate's protection from others. She is the one in physical restraints during the brief time she is allowed outside her solitary cell. There is the waist chain that links to her wrists and her ankles are shackled because she is thought to be a danger to others. (We also know that Arias has been in a bite-up with an inmate in the past. She is not a model prisoner and never has been.)

 

[nawd68]

I think Sandy knows her daughter is a cold blooded murderer. Just look at her response during the interview with Flores. She also sobbed in court when Jodi's first interrogation video was played. She knows the truth.

 

[Hopeful One]

I think, as stated by Schuby, the mother is probably grasping at any straw she can grab hold of.
I don't know. It seem so cold to know that they are showing 'disgust' at the Alexander family. I can't imagine NOT having overwhelming sympathy for the victim and the family. I "get" having 'love' for your own loved one, but whyyyyy in the world would you back them the way they have? I'd have a hard time sitting in court on that side of the aisle tbh.

That's what I don't get. I've seen many, many cases where the parents/relatives/friends of the offender have great sympathy for the victim's family and show it outright, no matter if they stand behind their offending loved one or not.

It just makes SA seems cold and uncaring, imo. But of course, we have no idea what's going on in her head or what goes on behind closed doors.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Actually, the "factual" evidence can attest to whether or not she loved him. Typically, one doesn't plan to murder a person that they love. That isn't love, that is toxic projection of ones own agenda onto another person. In Betty's case it was one of revenge, pure and simple. Dan didn't start out by going straight for full custody. It took two to tango in that tragic situation. I am not condoning Dan's actions in the case that contributed to her rage, any more than I condon Travis Alexander's actions in relation to Jodi. But again, it doesn't justify murder.

I violated no privacy and resent the implication.

No resentment needed because I didn't imply anything. I asked how appropriate it would be for any professional, medical or psychiatric to offer up personal knowledge in a public forum. I'm an RN, have worked in Psych. I am never comfortable with sharing anything unless I shield it greatly with no tie to the subject of my comment.
You posted that you were intimately associated with the case. That statement translates that you have intimate knowledge about the case. That's not a huge leap. You stated intimate knowledge. I simply shared that if that knowledge is in a professional capacity I would not want my info shared if I were a former patient or a defendant who had been seen by a professional, paraprofessional or if my info was accessed by anyone who worked for them. IMHO

 

[janx]

Arias chafes like sixty at any form of confinement & now she finds herself in closed custody, that special status where she is allowed out of her solitary cell one hour per day. When she emerges, it is with foot shackles and a chain around her waist, linked to her wrists. One of the reasons given for the restraints is that she presents a danger to other inmates, who may also be at large during that same hour.

After the verdict & interview, she lost it. We can only imagine her outrage at her new circumstances. The more she acts out, the worse the consequences. Consequences, something she has avoided for years.

Yes, clearly something happened after the verdict and the interview.

 

[cricket49]

Not cool, for sure; but do we have evidence that Sandi knew that those letters were fake?

Good point.

Well, we do know Jodi told her they were legitimate and we know that would be the truth. Right????

:facepalm:

 

[Melanie]

Does anyone know if Nurmi is done with her after this trial, or does he have to stay on as her lawyer through appeals? And if he's allowed off, can he discuss Jodi and the case, as in write a book?

Yes, I believe he can cut her loose. AFAIK, Geragos isn't handling Scott Peterson's appeal, and even the man I hate the most (David Westerfield) filed a supplemental appeal TODAY!

Both appeals are being handled by other atty's. More specifically, atty's who are qualified in the appeal process.

So yah, I think she can say goodbye to KN and JW.

MOO

Mel

OT: here's a link to a video on the Westerfield appeal if anyone is interested.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22240195/david-westerfield-files-supplemental-appeal-asking-for-new-trial