AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #7

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What does your mom say was on it?
I'm sure it was never aired, just curious what she thinks she may have remembered...

I've followed this from the very beginning as well, and I realize she could be mistaken. But I thought it was strange. She said she remembers seeing the video right after they covered the abduction. She said there were just to the two of them (clarifying speculation) and that it showed a man in a hoodie, with a gun taking her. She said shortly after they reported it wouldn't be aired and she never saw it again. Another unrelated local said the same thing.
I just thought it was strange. But readily admit it could be she's remembering something else all together.
 
Girl you need to read these threads. :D You literally missed sooooo much good information. I know how you're like some of us other die hards that's a stickler for facts. It was beautiful how we all worked so well together on this case, which as we all kniw isn't seen all the time lol. Some of us believe he could have originally had a dishonorable discharge but presented good time served so bartered for an honorable discharge, which is perfectly legal & done everyday. Another note is that his DUI it seems was on a base or base subsidized property in the surrounding town. His website for construction shows a discrepancy in time served in the service as well, so something else to note.

What??? This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone getting a dishonorable discharge from the military changed to an honorable one. Do you have a link for that info?? Don't mean to be rude, just never heard of it. I thought once a person was discharged from the military, that was it.

I suppose it's possilbe, but I don't have the time right now to look it up and since you're so good at this, you would save me the trouble. :seeya:
 
Why do people do these things? Everybody has choices in life...EVERYBODY. There's good & bad in everyone. There's no excuse whatsoever for choosing to kill somebody, especially when it's apparently not a situation of kill or be killed. Being beat as a child is no excuse to beat someone when one grows older. Being sexually abused in one's past is no excuse to grow older & think it's ok to do that to another. Being raised as GOD fearing & religious is no excuse to grow older & retaliate against the bible by lying, stealing, killing. We have rules & regulations that need to be followed, need to be adhered to in life - otherwise there's a penalty. It doesn't matter what denomination one is, or even if one is atheist - there are still rules and people know right from wrong. Too many times people use excuses as a crutch. It's ridiculous. Do good, make a positive difference.

Statistic show this, statistics show that ... Well I'm sick of statistics. Statistics can shove it as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sooo sick & tired of these cases. My whole family on both sides is littered with le, several of our now friend's & acquaintances as well - so it's seen on a daily basis. Why isn't it stopping? People have dreams as children to grow older to become a cop so they can stop all this stuff. Can you imagine their heartache when they realize after 25 years if service & multiple arrests/convictions that they didn't even make a dent? It's so heartbreaking.
 
http://www.adn.com/2012/04/03/2405894/our-view-samantha-koenig.html

"Police say they have the suspect in custody. Custody, arrest and charges are one thing. Conviction is another."


"http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-investigators-and-prosecutors-prepare-new-charges-against-israel-keyes-20120403,0,3505632.story

"“At this point he is still a person of interest,” Parker said."

Can it really be several weeks before new charges are filed? I guess they are waiting for autopsy results. Still, several weeks?

Yes, it can be. Prosecutors have to have all their ducks in a row before they file formal charges. Might be that it has to go before a grand jury first. He's in jail, not going anywhere, they're in no hurry.
One thing to note, they can always UP the charges, but once charged, they can't lower them to a lesser charge, if I'm not mistaken. That's true in many states, I assume AK has the same laws.
 
What??? This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone getting a dishonorable discharge from the military changed to an honorable one. Do you have a link for that info?? Don't mean to be rude, just never heard of it. I thought once a person was discharged from the military, that was it.

I suppose it's possilbe, but I don't have the time right now to look it up and since you're so good at this, you would save me the trouble. :seeya:

I was just as shocked as you are now TX! Lol. I'll look for it when I get back & post it for you, ok? I'm not saying Israel was dishonorably discharged at first. What I'm saying is that it was probably negotiated into an honorable discharge based on time served in good honor & learning something while in the service. Yes, from the link I found previously - not sure who supplied it to me - it's most definitely done and done frequently. If Knox happens to check in, maybe she remembers? Or JoeFriday? BDawk? I seriously forget...

TxLady, you're not being rude at all. :blowkiss: just give me some time to look for it after I get back from the market & gym. Might take me a bit of time bc I'm not the one that originally found it & I didn't save the link. Once Sam was found, I deleted her folder & only kept some of Israel's info to use while keeping tabs til his court date.
 
No, not related to SK, but maybe someone else. Oh I don't know, but I guess anywhere he's been could be something...depends.

Have to run for a bit but when I get back I'm going to search for that info for TxLady, then I'll look deeper into Sweden. I totally walked away from it but maybe it was in haste? You've peaked my interest again & I'll have a few hours to blow this afternoon, might as well delve into it. Thanks darnit hahaha! It'll drive me bonkers now til I figure it out, just like the darn name did! Omgosh...
 
Logged back on bc I just remembered something...

SeeingForTheFirstTime - going back to your Sweden stuff, I just remembered back when Israel's name was released, in investigating his background & heritage I started to wonder if there was chance his family had Arawak blood. Arawaks were found in the Netherlands and came to America, not just other parts of the Carib. It's something that was in the back of my mind but I didn't dig too much into it. Now I can only wonder... If so it could explain love of land & Indian acceptance.

Gotta run for real now or I'll never get my stuff done today... Bbl.
 
That's a good question, and I don't have a good answer.

In the serial killers I've been around, they realized they were different(evil?) about the time of puberty....Apparently, the sex drive compounds their rage. Depending on the intellectual level, some may conclude they are deviant in nature. Edmund Kemper recognized his deviance at an early age. They love to talk about their crimes. I would say that killers like Kemper are very aware of their deviance.

As for the simple rapist/murderer, I don't know if they ever think of themselves as deviant. They certainly don't express it. The ones I know felt entitled. Upon paroling, sometimes I would ask what they would do if they saw a female that emoted feelings and how they would handle it. They said, "I would just take her". In their world, their feelings are all that's important. I don't think they ever think of themselves as deviant. They spend a lot of time defending themselves if they are asked about the crime.

Pedophiles seem to think that the children want it as much as they do, sometimes more. I don't think they think they are deviant at all and don't know if they think in those terms. They feel wrongly judged and convicted. They do their time quietly w/o creating any problems for staff. They don't talk about their crime or problems. Staff don't like to talk to them either. Work needs to be done on this problem. It is difficult for staff to work with them because it is very draining. It eventually takes it toll on the staff who try.

Thanks, Whisperer!
Rapists/killers recognizing deviance, "simple" rapists expecting entitlement, pedophiles thinking the children want it. All so unsettling, baffling, yet intriguing.

As a school teacher, and per my own principles, I want to think that deviant behavior we see in students can be corrected.

However, I have seen students, one in particular stands out to me, that really seems like someone who is destined to become, one or two of these. Cold hearted, remorseless, etc.

I see how onset of puberty can be a catalyst. And I worked predominantly with 4th and 5th graders. 9, 10, 11 year olds are maturing sexually, and the behaviors were already being witnessed by me.

Many people who have gone through what they call a "rough childhood" do not exhibit these behaviors, so environmental factors are possibly only one of, but not the driving factor in deviant development.

Therefore, I can't help thinking it is chemical (as in brain/body), and possibly genetic.

Since there is no evidence of propagating the species, I wonder what use they are, and why they have not been weeded out of the Darwinian gene pool.
JMO
Just thoughts of mine.
Sorry to be O/T.
But trying to get into the mind of IK brings these questions/perceptions to my mind.
 
Federal prosecutors say it will be at least a couple of weeks before much new information about the abduction and killing of 18-year-old Samantha Koenig becomes public.

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Before a pair of divers went into the water Monday, the team used sonar and a remotely operated vehicle to look under the ice, Bartenfeld said. Investigators cut a dive hole through ice 2 1/2- to 3-feet thick.\

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Investigators moved two white tents over the spot where the divers went in, and a snowmachine pulling a long, covered sled was seen leaving less than an hour later.

Mew told reporters they discovered Koenig's body.

The divers said they couldn't talk about what they were looking for or what they found.

But usually, they said, when they find evidence it can be significant. They both used to be case agents.

The investigation into Koenig's death continues.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/03/2094360/details-in-koenig-case-remain.html#storylink=cpy
 
Logged back on bc I just remembered something...

SeeingForTheFirstTime - going back to your Sweden stuff, I just remembered back when Israel's name was released, in investigating his background & heritage I started to wonder if there was chance his family had Arawak blood. Arawaks were found in the Netherlands and came to America, not just other parts of the Carib. It's something that was in the back of my mind but I didn't dig too much into it. Now I can only wonder... If so it could explain love of land & Indian acceptance.

Gotta run for real now or I'll never get my stuff done today... Bbl.

D'oh! Sorry about that...This entire web site has done the same thing to me many many times! You probably already know this, but just in case since you're thinking about looking into it, he would have been in Gothenburg, Sweden in August 2006. I've never done any research on foreign websites, I'm not sure I'd know where to start but let me know if you need any help with anything, I'll be glad follow directions! In the meantime, I'm going to see what I find about the Arawak possibility...I'm sure it has something to do with missions, surely there are records on that with the Mormon church.
 
I see nothing about him has been confirmed. Can't imagine the Makah Tribe hiring him. I think he may have done odd jobs for the natives there but that's about it...

I tried to get a job there once and I had experience but you MUST have a Tribal Patch. It clearly states it when you fill out the paperwork. Unless things have changed and they make exceptions for contractors, I doubt the Tribe employed him. Individuals, maybe....

I think this guy is a con...big time. He is a Mormon, born in n.y, and his notes say he is an atheist, I tend to believe that one. I think he is a Sociopath and/or a squirrel...no offense meant to squirrels.
When you look on his Keyes Construction website, under references there is a letter of appreciation from the tribe.
Who knows if it is authentic or not.

Sorry if this post jumps in at an awkward spot.
I am a little behind in reading, so my where my posts land may sound awkward! :blushing:
 
I found his family (or some of them) but I don't know if I'm allowed to post their names. I also found his myspace, there isn't anything on it though, and a online review with amazon where he reviewed a drill.
Hey, Seeing!
You Rock!
We have been having a hard time finding a paper/computer trail on him!
I would love to have that info. you found, if it is alright with WS TOS!
 
Investigators cut a dive hole through ice 2 1/2- to 3-feet thick.

Locals: Would it have been that thick back in February? Or thicker?
 
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