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Hole is the term we use in AL.
And the entire English speaking world.
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Hole is the term we use in AL.
Hole is the term consistently used in Alabama by LE to describe a grave?Hole is the term we use in AL.
Sorry to even post this, I have a friend that lives in Alabama, about an hour away from B'ham, she had to bury her dog, a lab, and dug the grave herself. It was a real beast because of the soil. She also had a problem with wild animals getting into it. Ended up putting big rocks on top of it so that the Coyotes and foxes wouldn't dig into it. Makes me wonder how long Paighton had been buried.
I'm not sure that's an "official" word. But saying she was buried in a hole is as likely as a "grave" when speaking of a hole dug to dispose of a body.Hole is the term consistently used in Alabama by LE to describe a grave?
I'm not sure. My SIL has gone to 2 excellent rehabs with a long stint of sobriety in between. Most recently she's been sober since being a Mother, living on her own, stable job. Then randomly we started to notice changes in behavior that is suggestive of relapse. One of those being extreme defensiveness when we check in just to see where she's been/what she's been up to due to not hearing from her. She has an excellent support system, has been most recently sober for 2.5 years. We found out about a month ago that she had, indeed, relapsed. MOOI'm with you. As cautious as she was said to have been, I don't see the scenario either. If drugs are found in her system, I think someone else put them there. She was not new to recovery. Yes, I understand how it works, but she was far enough out of the "new" phase. The program she went to seems to be an excellent one as well. She obviously had a strong support system in her family and with the Doc from rehab. I believe she would reach out if she felt the draw to use.
I agree - 1-2 years sober (in PHs case) really is still new to sobriety, and plenty of people relapse with far more time under their belt, too. Additionally, if she was drinking, she was already on a slippery slope.I'm not sure. My SIL has gone to 2 excellent rehabs with a long stint of sobriety in between. Most recently she's been sober since being a Mother, living on her own, stable job. Then randomly we started to notice changes in behavior that is suggestive of relapse. One of those being extreme defensiveness when we check in just to see where she's been/what she's been up to due to not hearing from her. She has an excellent support system, has been most recently sober for 2.5 years. We found out about a month ago that she had, indeed, relapsed. MOO
But again the idea is you still think you are able to make a phone call. It doesn't make sense to me to say that she texted because she was afraid to call when her text message then says she will call. That doesn't seem like a message of real urgency or even genuinely feeling in danger--more like you are just weirded out and uncomfortable. The entire text message doesn't make sense to me.
BBM. Absolutely. Individual stage of change (mental health language) is intrinsic and not dependent on support system. In fact, in my experience personally and professionally, when one lacks the intrinsic motivation or has other underlying reasons for using (unresolved trauma, self medicating, etc), a strong support system whom checks in regularly, attempts to control access to money or where one goes and who they spend time with can lead to an increase in deceit/sneakiness. The intentions are generally positive on both ends but addiction isn't always based on how loved someone is and using isn't because one loves their family or friends any less. ETA: Not stating that addiction was at play in her disappearance but if it is, it doesn't mean she deserved what happened or is "responsible" for her own demise.I agree - 1-2 years sober (in PHs case) really is still new to sobriety, and plenty of people relapse with far more time under their belt, too. Additionally, if she was drinking, she was already on a slippery slope.
While family support, good treatment etc is all really wonderful and important and increases the likelihood of long-term success to a point, it sadly (as you know) doesn’t keep people from relapsing. I know a lot of addicts/alcoholics who had everything going for them in terms of best possible scenario that relapsed regardless.
We have no way of knowing where PH was at in her sobriety. Not sure drugs played a part in her demise at all...just speaking to the reality of addiction.
I just increasingly don't think she sent the message. Even "in trouble" sounds more like what people say when they have done something wrong themselves than when they are in danger. It's just not normal phrasing. Nothing about the text message makes sense from a logistical or phrasing or contextual standpoint as a woman with complete strangers she is uneasy with, to the point she wants to alert someone but not enough to give any useful information. There's not even a reference to the fact the person she is talking to would already know she was with strangers.It kind of does if she meant that if the situation went bad, she intended to get away and would need a ride.
At this point, until we get evidence-based confirmation from LE that PH was at the bar, I'm not going to assume she was.
I don’t think the text sounds odd if she was partying and suddenly felt uncomfortable. Something must have happened right after that. (obviously)Others have touched on the text, the awkward phrasing and content, and I agree there’s something not right.
1).... if PH sent the text and she was truly afraid then it’s legit. The only question would be the odd phrasing.
2)....if PH sent it to cover up the fact she was perhaps doing drugs it seems like the message would have been more like “ hey guys, I’m fine. Just hanging out with some friends. See y’all soon”. She wouldn’t want to alarm anyone.
3)....if someone other than PH sent it, why would they send something to alarm people? Again seems like the message would have been one to allay family and friend’s concerns.
Since 2 and 3 really don’t make much sense to me, I would tend to think the text was sent by PH and she was concerned and afraid about the circumstances she found herself in.
That really is interesting to me. I've followed countless cases for decades, and this is honestly the first time I've ever heard LE refer to a human grave as a hole. Hence the reason it really stood out to me. It makes me think it actually was a hole already there in the ground, and not a freshly dug shallow grave.I'm not sure that's an "official" word. But saying she was buried in a hole is as likely as a "grave" when speaking of a hole dug to dispose of a body.
They have multiple eye-witness statements that she was.
No they don’t, unless you know something we don’t.They have multiple eye-witness statements that she was.
Can you provide a link? I haven't read any LE state anything about anyone seeing PH in the club, much less multiple people. Not being snarky, I would just love to see that LE confirmed it from others, not just the one friend story.They have multiple eye-witness statements that she was.
I don't see that house as a trap house. It seems a decent neighborhood with houses that are kept up outside so to many vehicles coming and going would be noticed at some point. Trap houses normally want easy access and exit so that vehicles can come and go without a chance but the street is a dead end. JMO but that house would cause to much suspicion. Especially if it is an older neighborhood where people are often at home. JMOStill behind, so my apologies in advance if this has already been posted:
January 4, 2020 at 6:33 AM CST - Updated January 4 at 1:19 PM
“HUEYTOWN, Ala. (WBRC) - Neighbors who live on Chapel Drive in Hueytown say the last 24 hours have been concerning because of the tragic discovery.
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Neighbors who live on Chapel Drive say the person who lived at the home had only lived there for a few months and they hadn’t seen much activity at the home recently.
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‘We are still puzzled about the situation that happened. We hate that it happened. We were very concerned. We actually wanted to help out and see what was going on and see what we could do as well,’ said one neighbor who wanted to remain anonymous.
‘It’s seriously shocking. We don’t have those kinds of problems down here,’ said Albert Duff, Jr. ‘Just about everybody on this street is kin to someone else on this street.’
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Missing Alabama woman’s remains discovered in shallow grave