Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Marantz4250b]

But she sold herself as able to do the job and signed the contract.

Life is more nuanced than that though and someone simply agreeing to do something is not a reason to absolve an employer of responsibility.

People do many inappropriate things for many reasons. An employer is generally the one in the position of greater power and leverage and has a duty to not simply give a job to anyone who is willing to sign a contract. It's irresponsible to their other employees, customers and to the person signing the contract.

If you, as an employer, knowingly take on someone who is clearly incapable but they desperately want or need the job then is that person as culpable if they kill someone as someone who is way more qualified but does a crappy job or simply doesn't care whether someone might die? The fact is that you as an employer have a responsibility to not put them in that position to start with.

It's not simple as merely who's willing to sign a contract when it's a safety critical job.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The FBI struck the hammer with enough force to fracture internal components. JMO.

That is exactly the report I read previously.

It takes immense force to smash those components. They weren't smashed in any event until the FBI smashed them so that gun did not fire with no trigger pressure due to a fault or design error.

AB had his finger depressing the trigger.

 

[Ceska]

I think there is an interview where AB claims that the victim told him to point the gun at her or the camera. Was it in the Stephanopolous interview? If I recall correctly, people were all over him for this explanation --i.e., how convenient that he blames the person who died. JMO.

Actually, no, he did not blame the victim. Interview link below....

Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'

Baldwin sat down with Stephanopoulos to sift through the series of events that led to Hutchins’ death.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Arkay]

Who is Hannah Gutierrez-Reed? The 'Rust' armorer who will be charged with involuntary manslaughter alongside Alec Baldwin

Gutierrez-Reed and Baldwin no longer face a firearm enhancement charge as of February 2023, which decreases their potential sentences by five years.

www.insider.com

It's always been my opinion that Hannah GR was hired partially due to her father's status as "legendary armorer Thell Reed."

Either production thought she'd have learned enough at his knee, or else it was about connections in the industry. But clearly, having a "legendary father" in the same field does not translate to experience for his daughter.

IMO only

 

[RANCH]

Where does AB blame HH? i watched AB's interviews, I never heard him blame her.
Is this just very recent (as of this week) that AB is now blaming HH?

That's my opinion on the AB quote that I posted. JMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

Who is Hannah Gutierrez-Reed? The 'Rust' armorer who will be charged with involuntary manslaughter alongside Alec Baldwin

Gutierrez-Reed and Baldwin no longer face a firearm enhancement charge as of February 2023, which decreases their potential sentences by five years.

www.insider.com

It's always been my opinion that Hannah GR was hired partially due to her father's status as "legendary armorer Thell Reed."

Either production thought she'd have learned enough at his knee, or else it was about connections in the industry. But clearly, having a "legendary father" in the same field does not translate to experience for his daughter.

IMO only

I think its pretty hard to argue with anything you said.

 

[MadMcGoo]

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[RANCH]

That is exactly the report I read previously.

It takes immense force to smash those components. They weren't smashed in any event until the FBI smashed them so that gun did not fire with no trigger pressure due to a fault or design error.

AB had his finger depressing the trigger.

It's clear to me that AB pulled the trigger after reading the FBI report. He may have unintentionally pulled the trigger but there's no way to prove that. Or he pulled the trigger on purpose assuming that the gun was loaded with inert dummy rounds and could not fire. JMO.

 

[Trebor5591]

IMO Guilty! Because of his Elite status and our two-tier justice system, I believe he is protected from any jail time, unfortunately. JMO.

 

[Marantz4250b]

It's clear to me that AB pulled the trigger after reading the FBI report. He may have unintentionally pulled the trigger but there's no way to prove that. Or he pulled the trigger on purpose assuming that the gun was loaded with inert dummy rounds and could not fire. JMO.

Agreed!

Does anyone know if the full FBI report has been publicly released? I can't find it anywhere but the media organisations must have seen it.

 

[RANCH]

Agreed!

Does anyone know if the full FBI report has been publicly released? I can't find it anywhere but the media organisations must have seen it.

Here's a link to the FBI report.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

 

[al66pine]

Shooter Says: Victim Said, Point Gun At Me.

I think there is an interview where AB claims that the victim told him to point the gun at her or the camera....

snipped for focus @clearskies1
So AB said that? I wonder if he had heard about the case below.

In 2017 a 22 y/o man requested his girlfriend not only to point the .50-caliber Desert Eagle at him but also fire it at him as he held an encyclopedia against his body. Turned out she was such a bad shot.
Image of encyclopedia:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/24/03/4D9250A500000578-0-image-a-53_1529807572892.jpg

After his death, she was prosecuted.

____________________________________________
More: "The fatal shooting was captured on two cameras that had been set up to record the stunt.
"The couple's YouTube channel had 218 subscribers at the time and included pranks like Perez feeding Ruiz donuts covered in baby powder.
"In their last video together, ...Perez says: 'Imagine when we have 300,000 subscribers.'" sbm
Conviction: 2nd degree manslaughter; Sentence:180 days.

Prosecutors release pictures of the bullet holed book

Images of a book that a YouTuber held minutes before he was shot dead by his girlfriend in an ill-advised stunt have been released by prosecutors in Minnesota.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

Here's a link to the FBI report.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Awesome! Thank you.

 

[Luna20]

Thank you for the information COOLCATS. At least some are honoring this poor woman's death by making changes that will make production work safer. I don't want anyone to think, "Oh just an unfortunate accident, so no need to accept responsibility for unsafe work conditions."??
More info and link:
Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.

Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set that day said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges on Saturday.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set.

www.detroitnews.com

Agree. Negligence is negligence. Had AB taken all the necessary precautions (safety protocol, hiring qualified professionals with proven experience and responding to some of the crew who voiced safety concerns & walked off) this tragedy could have been prevented.

He knew HG didn’t have a history of experience reflected in her portfolio so all the more reason to proceed with caution and supervision. I don’t mean taking the fall for her, she is just as guilty for leaving the gun unattended. She should have been everywhere that the gun was no matter if it was ‘just rehearsal’.

 

[SteveS]

Actually, no, he did not blame the victim. Interview link below....

Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'

Baldwin sat down with Stephanopoulos to sift through the series of events that led to Hutchins’ death.

abcnews.go.com

Actually, AB did blame (or try to blame) the victim for his actions, in aiming the gun at her. His words:

Baldwin said: “And [Hutchins] says to me, ‘Hold the gun lower. Go to your right. Okay, right there. All right, do that. Now show it a little bit lower.’ And she's getting me to position the gun.”

“She's guiding me through how she wants me to hold the gun for this angle,” he said. “I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it, which ended up being aimed right below her armpit.”

Gotta call it like it is.

 

[branmuffin]

I haven't been on this thread for quite. My personal opinion, which is coming from a country that is not immersed in gun culture, is that if he was just an actor playing a role and the armorer, the AD and the prop manager didn't use the proper chain of property he'd be acquitted. But because he's also the producer who controls the financial reins and was responsible for hiring professionals and paying a salary commensurate to their experience, he'll be convicted.

 

[Luna20]

Actually, no, he did not blame the victim. Interview link below....

Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'

Baldwin sat down with Stephanopoulos to sift through the series of events that led to Hutchins’ death.

abcnews.go.com

He did say in detail that he was responding to HH direction. Her husband commented on it in his first or second aired interview. He was distraught and repulsed by AB placing the blame on her.

 

[Luna20]

Not sure if this was already posted but it’s mentioned that there is video.

Prosecutors knew early they would charge Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting

Prosecutors knew “close to the beginning” of the investigation into Halyna Hutchins’ on-set shooting death that Alec Baldwin would be charged.

nypost.com

“But we have videos of him where his hand was on the trigger, and we know from the FBI report that he pulled that trigger.”

 

[clearskies1]

Not sure if this was already posted but it’s mentioned that there is video.

Prosecutors knew early they would charge Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting

Prosecutors knew “close to the beginning” of the investigation into Halyna Hutchins’ on-set shooting death that Alec Baldwin would be charged.

nypost.com

“But we have videos of him where his hand was on the trigger, and we know from the FBI report that he pulled that trigger.”

Interesting. I don't think they have videos of the actual shooting -- maybe they have videos of other scenes where his finger is on the trigger. What really interests me is the part where they say that it's not clear that Halls actually did say "cold gun" and that they're not sure if Halls touched the gun:

"While quickly deciding that the “30 Rock” star would face charges, that became clearer when key parts of Baldwin’s story appeared to unravel, the prosecutors said.

That included the long-held claim that assistant director Dave Halls — who will testify against Baldwin after reaching a plea deal — had given the all-clear by calling “cold gun,” the term indicating the weapon was safe without live bullets.

“When we really started looking at the case, it wasn’t obvious that he did say ‘cold gun,'” Reeb told NBC News, saying that they also “can’t even say for sure that [Halls] actually touched that firearm.”

Prosecutors knew early they would charge Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting

Prosecutors knew “close to the beginning” of the investigation into Halyna Hutchins’ on-set shooting death that Alec Baldwin would be charged.

nypost.com

The whole thing didn't make sense to me because AB seemed to change his story -- he seemed to first tell LE that HG-R handed him the gun, but he later told Stephanopolous that it was Halls who handed him the gun. I posted links to those two interviews earlier in this thread.

 

[Luna20]

Interesting. I don't think they have videos of the actual shooting -- maybe they have videos of other scenes where his finger is on the trigger. What really interests me is the part where they say that it's not clear that Halls actually did say "cold gun" and that they're not sure if Halls touched the gun:

"While quickly deciding that the “30 Rock” star would face charges, that became clearer when key parts of Baldwin’s story appeared to unravel, the prosecutors said.

That included the long-held claim that assistant director Dave Halls — who will testify against Baldwin after reaching a plea deal — had given the all-clear by calling “cold gun,” the term indicating the weapon was safe without live bullets.

“When we really started looking at the case, it wasn’t obvious that he did say ‘cold gun,'” Reeb told NBC News, saying that they also “can’t even say for sure that [Halls] actually touched that firearm.”

Prosecutors knew early they would charge Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting

Prosecutors knew “close to the beginning” of the investigation into Halyna Hutchins’ on-set shooting death that Alec Baldwin would be charged.

nypost.com

The whole thing didn't make sense to me because AB seemed to change his story -- he seemed to first tell LE that HG-R handed him the gun, but he later told Stephanopolous that it was Halls who handed him the gun. I posted links to those two interviews earlier in this thread.

That was confusing to me. I’ve followed this from the beginning but I don’t recall what the final statement from Halls was. He was the complete opposite of AB, in being vocal and doing interviews. If Halls did any interviews I didn’t see them.