Alec Baldwin

[MagicRose99]

I'm sorry... I don't understand how those can exhonerate Kim? She should never have released this tape publicly... if anyone can express to me WHY this is good for the daughter, I'd like to hear it... I don't think exposing one's "dirty laundry" in public can be in any way, shape or form GOOD for the daughter.

Kim should NEVER have released that publicly. She should have taken it to her attorney, who should have made a court appointment with the judge and dealt with this privately.

No way, no how that this tape becoming public is GOOD for Ireland...

 

[Masterj]

Until I read that Kim released the tape from a source other than Alec and his lawyer, I am going to withhold my judgment.

 

[csds703]

I don't know that I understand what you are saying. I do know that nobody can force anyone else to be a good parent, but I watch the Courts exact consequences daily - from fines to jail times to loss of visitation/contact to parenting classes to loss of custody to - in extreme cases, termination of parental rights.

And I agree with the Court's stance in this case that the type of antics the mother in this case repeatedly engages in only harms the child.

Do you really think that if Kim's lawyer had presented a copy of that call to the Judge in her divorce, the Judge would have done nothing? This Judge has repeatedly responded to Alec's anger issues just as he has repeatedly responded to Kim's abusive issues.

I have watched a similar case go through 8 years of court dates.
The mom used the children from day one to try to manipulate the father.
The court ordered a forensic evaluation. That consisted of 4 meetings.
One for the mom alone, one with the kids. One with the dad alone, and again, one with the kids.
The psychologist documented his concern about the mom poisoning the kids heads but still recommended that she get custody.
Mom messed with visitation, bad mouthed every thing that dad or his family said, made false statements in court etc.
The court warned, threatened, but did nothing to stop her. The children come to see dad because they know if they don't that their mom will be in trouble.
This guys relationship with his children is ruined, but he still goes through the motions every week of taking them to dinner, but doesn't push for his FULL visitation rights because he is hoping that one day when they grow up, they will realize that he didn't want them in the middle.
The problem with the court is, it just takes too damn long, and costs way too much.
Damage is done.

 

[southcitymom]

I have watched a similar case go through 8 years of court dates.
The mom used the children from day one to try to manipulate the father.
The court ordered a forensic evaluation. That consisted of 4 meetings.
One for the mom alone, one with the kids. One with the dad alone, and again, one with the kids.
The psychologist documented his concern about the mom poisoning the kids heads but still recommended that she get custody.
Mom messed with visitation, bad mouthed every thing that dad or his family said, made false statements in court etc.
The court warned, threatened, but did nothing to stop her. The children come to see dad because they know if they don't that their mom will be in trouble.
This guys relationship with his children is ruined, but he still goes through the motions every week of taking them to dinner, but doesn't push for his FULL visitation rights because he is hoping that one day when they grow up, they will realize that he didn't want them in the middle.
The problem with the court is, it just takes too damn long, and costs way too much.
Damage is done.

These are excellent points. I am happy to hear that the guy in this case is trying to act like a grownup. His kids may not appreciate it now, but I believe that one day they will.

I have strong relationships with both of my parents now, but my Mom spent much of my childhood (and a good deal of my adulthood) trying to poison my (and my sister's) heart against my Dad. I was strong willed and fought tooth and nail from the beginning to have a relationship with my Dad, but not every 11-year-old is wired that way.

As I have said before, the more lasting damage to me resulted from the campaign of posion and not from any verbal "abuse" that was flung my way from time to time by both parents. Most of the ugly, threatening things my parents said to me were right on target (though I never thought so at the time!).

 

[southcitymom]

Until I read that Kim released the tape from a source other than Alec and his lawyer, I am going to withhold my judgment.

This is wise. As I have admitted, I am not capable of doing that in this case, but thanks for being the voice of reason!

 

[csds703]

These are excellent points. I am happy to hear that the guy in this case is trying to act like a grownup. His kids may not appreciate it now, but I believe that one day they will.

I have strong relationships with both of my parents now, but my Mom spent much of my childhood (and a good deal of my adulthood) trying to poison my (and my sister's) heart against my Dad. I was strong willed and fought tooth and nail from the beginning to have a relationship with my Dad, but not every 11-year-old is wired that way.

As I have said before, the more lasting damage to me resulted from the campaign of posion and not from any verbal "abuse" that was flung my way from time to time by both parents. Most of the ugly, threatening things my parents said to me were right on target (though I never thought so at the time!).

I like the way you describe this. This is an issue that really gets to me.

When are "parents" going to wake up and realize that the only ones getting hurt in these situations are the kids who they claim to love.

You seem like you have managed to deal with your issues and I am happy to see that you have a real healthy attitude. Good for you!

 

[Seven]

I will admit that my mind is relatively closed to the idea that anyone other than Kim leaked this tape. She's just done this type of stuff too much over the years for me to assume otherwise.

this is the first i've heard about this child-care issue between Kim and Alec ..... what other things has kim done over the years?

 

[Seven]

some people have used the word "respect," but how can anyone respect anyone who treats her like this? ----->>>

http://www.tmz.com/search/?q=alec+baldwin+voice+mail&btnSearch.x=0&btnSearch.y=0&btnSearch=Search

Her father is yelling, cursing, using street threats ...

~~~~~~~~~~
i am gonna get on a plane ...
i'm gonna come out there for the DAY
i'm gonna straighten your a$$ OUT when i see you!
you understand me?
I'm gonna make sure you REALLY get it!
then i'm gonna get on a plane, turn around, and come home.
~~~~~~~~~~

WOW!
that's the way to scare an 11-year-old girl to death!
it's the opposite of the way to get that little girl's respect.

and why on earth does a 50-year-old father talk to his 11-year-old daughter about "your a$$" ??? It sounds like a pimp threatening a ho!

at the very least, alec makes it sound as though ireland is being warned that she's gonna be screamed at and insulted (he called her a "pig" twice in 2 minutes) for "A DAY" .....

... it's no wonder she ran to someone, ANYONE (in this case her mother) to protect her.

how many times has Alec done this to her before?
she's an 11-year-old girl! can anyone blame her?

 

[TopGunner]

Alec Baldwin is a child abuser, a narcissist and a COWARD. A nothing, a nobody, a less than ZERO. I read his "apology", poor poor abusive dear. This one made me do it, that one pushed me to it. It's all about HIM.

Listen Baldwin, I have a kid. I've been through a divorce. I've NEVER spoken to her the way you talk to your daugheter, I have never HIT her, called her a name or bullied her in anyway. YOU dear Baldwin are a LOSER. Imagine your lawyer threatening to sue whoever "leaked" your dirty secrets. What a guy! What a man! How does it FEEL to terrorize your BABY?!

If I was her mother, one of us would no longer be here, I assure you.

 

[sharpar]

The judge didnt suspend his vistation until after the tape were released.

That speaks volumes . The sad fact is our courts fail to protect children

from abusing parents every day .

His anger /abusive ways are common knowledge and yet nothing until

now has ever been done. he still has family and friends defending him

by blaming the mother.

He apologized after he got slammed - his original press release

only further blamed Kim and Ireland . Dont get confused here

of who the real pig is or who is at fault. Mr Baldwin you are

a disgrace as a parent and as a human being .

Your embarrassing and public exposure is long over due .

Your daughter and your former wife have all my sympathy for

dealing with your ugly self with little support and great misunder

standing of the consistent abuse they have suffered by your behavior

Shame on you !

 

[Seven]

Alec Baldwin is a child abuser, a narcissist and a COWARD. A nothing, a nobody, a less than ZERO. I read his "apology", poor poor abusive dear. This one made me do it, that one pushed me to it. It's all about HIM.

Listen Baldwin, I have a kid. I've been through a divorce. I've NEVER spoken to her the way you talk to your daugheter, I have never HIT her, called her a name or bullied her in anyway. YOU dear Baldwin are a LOSER. Imagine your lawyer threatening to sue whoever "leaked" your dirty secrets. What a guy! What a man! How does it FEEL to terrorize your BABY?!

If I was her mother, one of us would no longer be here, I assure you.

thank you, TG!
some people appear not to understand that a mother's behavior to protect her child is instinctual, and it is as strong as that of a mother bear for her cub. mother bears frequently have to protect their cubs from harm by their own fathers. and it's the abusive fathers who end up backing down ...... hell hath no fury like that of a mother bear protecting her cub.

but wait regarding one thing ... the minister's wife will be in jail for years, leaving her babies without her after all ... the legal approach like Kim is trying is the best way to go (but i completely admire your emotion)! :blowkiss:

 

[Amraann]

Alec Baldwin is a child abuser, a narcissist and a COWARD. A nothing, a nobody, a less than ZERO. I read his "apology", poor poor abusive dear. This one made me do it, that one pushed me to it. It's all about HIM.

Listen Baldwin, I have a kid. I've been through a divorce. I've NEVER spoken to her the way you talk to your daugheter, I have never HIT her, called her a name or bullied her in anyway. YOU dear Baldwin are a LOSER. Imagine your lawyer threatening to sue whoever "leaked" your dirty secrets. What a guy! What a man! How does it FEEL to terrorize your BABY?!

If I was her mother, one of us would no longer be here, I assure you.

Excellent post!!!!!!

 

[southcitymom]

......a mother's behavior to protect her child is instinctual.....

Absolutely, as is a father's.

Unfortunately for Ireland, both parents lack this very important instinct.

 

[southcitymom]

I like the way you describe this. This is an issue that really gets to me.

When are "parents" going to wake up and realize that the only ones getting hurt in these situations are the kids who they claim to love.

You seem like you have managed to deal with your issues and I am happy to see that you have a real healthy attitude. Good for you!

I will refrain from climbing up on my soapbox about the fact that fathers's emotional relationships with their children routinely get hosed in Divorce Court. That is slowly getting better, I believe, but we still have a long way to go.

Thanks for your kind words. I am a lucky girl. While I have mainly shared my parent's poorer behavior on this thread, both my Mom and Dad - like every other human being in the world - are complex and multi-faceted with different shades of positive and negative behavior. I always felt very loved by them even when swimming through the river of dysfunction.

I did much harm to myself while battling my demons, but when I finally took some adult action to help myself, it was never hard for me to accept the fact that my parents truly did the very best the could given the tools they possessed.

And now that I'm a parent myself - I respect the hard road they travelled even more fully!

 

[Amraann]

I guess my issue here is that I have never read of Kim being a bad parent apart from Alec's tyrades.

He has a long standing history of being a jerk. I cannot think of any justifyable reason a parent would talk to their child like that.

I am leaning towards the notion that it is Alec who wants control and Kim is just trying to protect her daughter.

 

[southcitymom]

this is the first i've heard about this child-care issue between Kim and Alec ..... what other things has kim done over the years?

Seven,

I don't have any links but I will try to maybe do a little research. What I remember off the top of my head is that Kim headed into divorce court asking that Alec have no visitation whatsoever with his daughter. Alec wanted visitation and so the fight began.

Originally, the Court ordered visitation and relatively early on a Gag Order was instituted because Kim was slinging some hardcore mud very publically. At some point the Court ordered Alec to get some anger management therapy - not, if I recall correctly, because of any behavior towards the child but because of behavior towards Kim.

I believe both Kim and Alec have undergone ordered psych evaluations.

None of this ongoing disaster has been about property or money, but about the child.

The Court has repeatedly stated that it is in Ireland's best interest to see both of her parents - depite that fact that both parents have not always shown behavior that is in the best interest of their daughter - and that it is in Ireland's best interest that all this crap not be made public.

Kim has been sanctioned once or twice for disobeying the Order by leaking stuff - some true, some not true - about Alec.

These are simply my recollections. Anyone else who remembers otherwise, feel free to correct me. I by no means consider myself an authority on this very complicated family situation.

 

[close_enough]

i heard the taped call yesterday & was stunned....i have always looooooved Alec Baldwin...i'm so disappointed

 

[southcitymom]

I just googled "Alec Baldwin Kim Basinger divorce Ireland" and tons of links come up.

Kim claims Alec was emotionally and physically abusive to her during the marriage. Alec claims that Kim is an alcoholic and mentally ill. There is evidence to support the truth of both of their claims. Etc...etc...

 

[Seven]

i heard the taped call yesterday & was stunned....i have always looooooved Alec Baldwin...i'm so disappointed

me too! i loved him in "the shadow," and i even thought he was good in "glenn gary, glenn ross," but GGGR parenting?


not a good thing .......

 

[Britt]

His anger /abusive ways are common knowledge and yet nothing until

now has ever been done. he still has family and friends defending him

by blaming the mother.

He apologized after he got slammed - his original press release

only further blamed Kim and Ireland . Dont get confused here

of who the real pig is or who is at fault.

:clap:

It's disgusting how he and his family and friends justify child abuse. I wonder if they're so understanding of all child abusers. I'm sure all those abusers were "driven to the edge" by something, poor persecuted dears. :boohoo:

Baldwin says: "I am most saddened that this was released to the media because of what it does to a child." How pathetic that he isn't as concerned about what his abuse does to his child.