All Casey Cell Phone LOGS and PINGS Part#2

[BondJamesBond]

Maybe I'm tired, maybe it's information overload, but I need held understanding this ping thing. It's got my head spinning... Could anyone kindly give me the "Cell Phone Ping for Dummies" version of all of this? I know what pings are, b/c I've used them in court cases before. And I've scanned through the cell records and ping maps but what I don't get is exactly the important part to us. In a nutshell, what do her calls and the pings combined tell us about when Caylee likely died and was disposed of. If no one has time and could at least point me to someone's post that sums it up well, that'd be great, too. After that, I'm going to give it a rest for the weekend, I think and wait for the indictment! (Of course, I'll not be able to keep myself off here, though, especially knowing TM and all are searching this weekend....

Hey - parabeagle. Welcome to the 'head spinning' club. Don't worry, after awhile you actually get used to the spinning...and actually, if the spinning starts to slow down it means LE is about to release more info on the case to get the RPM's back up again.

In short, IMHO, the pings/calls, texts are just one more method of tracing Casey's life during the dates of interest. They tell us what vicinity she was in, and, in some cases, when used in conjunction with who she's calling/texting, or who is calling/texting her what might be compelling her actions. This information is yet another objective way to test out the statements given by Casey and other individuals in the case. For example, if Brian B. says he loaned Casey a shovel on 6/18, then, her cell ping info needs to support that she was in that area.

Another aspect to consider is periods when Casey was inactive. If she was unavailable to call/text for a period (e.g. 3 hours on 6/17) then she might've been involved in something that required her full attention.

Still another aspect is identifying the locations Casey visited that were out of her normal, day-to-day pattern. These locations draw attention as potential sites for disposing of a body. Since Casey could've just used a dumpster on her way between normal locations, this aspect isn't perfect, but, it can provide information on locations that would otherwise be unknown.

And, similar to identifying off-normal locations she visited is simple off-normal contacts she made. For example, there are some unidentified phone numbers she called/texted just prior to key dates in this case. In this regard, the cell/ping isn't much different than an old fashioned landline phone record.

I dunno if that helps, but, I'm sure other WS's will jump in and +/-. That should be a start though.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Good Morning Bond!

Hey! Pink. Backatcha!

I've been "drive-by" posting today. I can't seem to carve out more than 10mins @ a time to check the board.

Noodlin' on the week of 6/16 again after the earlier posts made it clear that the 3hr cell/ping absence lined up w/ Casey having Tony's Grand Cherokee @ Chris' place 6/17PM. Very unusual for her to have Tony's GC in the evening and Tony not around, esp. for that length of time, IMHO. I need to do some homework on Tony's last statement.

If calls to Papa Johns were after midnight 6/16 and she's driving Tony's GC 6/17PM, then, the body went into the trunk of the Pontiac in the wee hours of 6/17AM and her first trip back to G&C's 6/17 was to open the trunk and face the reality of what she'd done.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

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Noodlin' on the week of 6/16 again ...

If calls to Papa Johns were after midnight 6/16 and she's driving Tony's GC 6/17PM, then, the body went into the trunk of the Pontiac in the wee hours of 6/17AM and her first trip back to G&C's 6/17 was to open the trunk and face the reality of what she'd done.

Great deduction Bond. That's very interesting.

I have a question for all of you. Tony states that Casey spent the night 6/13. Now she goes to Fusian, after the last ping from that location, she calls CA's cell about 3 a.m. and thereafter the pings appear to originate from the A's general vicinity. I don't know if Tony was using "spent the night" as a euphemism for, well... Anyway. I don't know that it's particularly material to the more important dates in question. It's just an inconsistency that struck me as odd...

Thoughts? (Please note, I am doing this by memory at the moment -- muchos apologies if I've gotten my info mixed up -- my head is spinning too!)

 

[BondJamesBond]

Calls and texts before "A" look like the normal friends and text patterns. There is a call just before to an unknown number, ending in 9899. This is one of our missing few on the list. Just after the "B" ping is just texting with Sean and TonE up until calling Papa Johns just after midnight.

Just after Papa Johns are two calls to an unknown 9999 number. Both of these numbers are now disconnected and no one has found names for these yet.

Bold by me.

Anyone have a glimmer of hope @ identifying these?

 

[mommya]

Sorry if this has been brought up before or already searched by LE, but a few weeks ago I posted a large map of Lake Tennesee, which is right across from the Sawgrass Apartments. A poster from the area said that Conway is a very busy arterial road and lots of the lake are fenced off. Still, it's been in my mind ever since seeing that map.

Today as I was posting the text messages onto the calendar, I noticed this text message from KC when she was telling AH about a house they were going to rent (all lies, of course). But remembering how there is a common thread in all of KC's lies and how prominent Sawgrass Apartments have been since day one, I would not take this message lightly. If the house described below can be found, perhaps a little body can be found too. If not the house, the area.

Below is the text message and then the map. I also placed this location on a map and it's 6.5 miles south of Amscot and directly in KC's line of travel on the 27th. It is also very near TL's and cell towers near his and also near RM's, Amscot and many others would ping when she was in this location. This house and text message has piqued my interest a lot. Was this "empty house" the babysitter for Caylee? (snipped)

Just been looking at Zillow a bit - looks like 2 of the houses with pools on that lake are for sale. One has been listed for over a year and one for the better part of a year. Can't tell if they've been empty or not.

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/con...3,-81.331656,28.511119,-81.332919_rect/18_zm/

 

[shadow of my mind]

Bold by me.

Anyone have a glimmer of hope @ identifying these?

Hi,
When I do reverse lookup I get 'nothing' as a answer. I used about 7 different sites for reverse lookups and they all say the same thing. A lot of times they will at least identify as a cell phone or a land line with City County and State. It list nothing found. Google does not find anything either.
That I find very interesting. Is anyone on the forum have a subscription for a service, they may have better luck.
And while I am on the subject does any one have a full list of phone numbers that have not been edited that they could PM me with.
Sorry BJB and Thanks to anyone with that list

 

[BondJamesBond]

Calls and texts before "A" look like the normal friends and text patterns. There is a call just before to an unknown number, ending in 9899. This is one of our missing few on the list. Just after the "B" ping is just texting with Sean and TonE up until calling Papa Johns just after midnight.

Just after Papa Johns are two calls to an unknown 9999 number. Both of these numbers are now disconnected and no one has found names for these yet.

Bold by me.

Let me throw this out there to chew on...

In the Dante thread, he mentioned that Sawgrass (I know, I know...that's not where the pings are, but, just as an example, OK?) had security gates that closed 7PM to 7AM, but, that he programmed his cell phone to call into the gate code to let him in.

Could these unknown #'s be security gate codes, or something similar? For example: Chris' neighborhood? Amy's storage unit? Another apartment complex? The similarity in the digits being something like 9899=IN and 9999=out?

 

[shadow of my mind]

Just been looking at Zillow a bit - looks like 2 of the houses with pools on that lake are for sale. One has been listed for over a year and one for the better part of a year. Can't tell if they've been empty or not.

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/con...3,-81.331656,28.511119,-81.332919_rect/18_zm/

Looking at the tax records the tax notices are going to the same address that the home is. Both are owned by a husband and wife. Names don't ring any bells with me but can PM you with them if you would like.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Bold by me.

Unrelated, but, let me throw it out there to chew on.

In the Dante thread, he mentioned that Sawgrass (I know, I know...that's not where the pings are, but, just as an example, OK?) had security gates that closed 7PM to 7AM, but, that he programmed his cell phone to call into the gate code to let him in.

Could these unknown #'s be security gate codes, or something similar? For example: Chris' neighborhood? Amy's storage unit? Another apartment complex? The similarity in the digits being something like 9899=IN and 9999=out?

My understanding of security systems is that there is a number that you call, then you put a code number in to activate or deactivate the system. The reason for this is so any company or indivdual can change the code number when needed but it does not change the actual phone number that you first call. I image that a security gate could work the same way also. Dante had his cell phone progammed with the phone number and the code number is just like and extension number. I seem to remember DavidK said that Sawgrass had just changed there gate number or it may have been Dante [can't remeber which]

 

[Theonly1]

*07-478-9999 (is/was a Winter Park number)
*07-447-9999 (is/was an Orlando number)

That's all I know.

 

[Theonly1]

My understanding of security systems is that there is a number that you call, then you put a code number in to activate or deactivate the system. The reason for this is so any company or indivdual can change the code number when needed but it does not change the actual phone number that you first call. I image that a security gate could work the same way also. Dante had his cell phone progammed with the phone number and the code number is just like and extension number. I seem to remember DavidK said that Sawgrass had just changed there gate number or it may have been Dante [can't remeber which]

Is there a gate system at Sutton Place? Didn't we read in Amy's testimony that in order to get into AL's apartment complex she had to call and try and get buzzed in (but snuck in behind a car in front of her). Maybe the Winter Park 9999 number is for the gate?

 

[Theonly1]

Hey! Pink. Backatcha!

I've been "drive-by" posting today. I can't seem to carve out more than 10mins @ a time to check the board.

Noodlin' on the week of 6/16 again after the earlier posts made it clear that the 3hr cell/ping absence lined up w/ Casey having Tony's Grand Cherokee @ Chris' place 6/17PM. Very unusual for her to have Tony's GC in the evening and Tony not around, esp. for that length of time, IMHO. I need to do some homework on Tony's last statement.

If calls to Papa Johns were after midnight 6/16 and she's driving Tony's GC 6/17PM, then, the body went into the trunk of the Pontiac in the wee hours of 6/17AM and her first trip back to G&C's 6/17 was to open the trunk and face the reality of what she'd done.

HMMMMM...AL said he did not go to NY until June 30th, right? And we see from his statements that he claims he was not cool with Casey driving his truck all around the town while he was gone. Why in the world would he allow her to take his truck while he's IN TOWN to go for a booty-call run? I'm totally confused...or maybe having a moment of clarity? Something just ain't right!

 

[Theonly1]

Yes, I did see that utility area. It's fenced in with a chain link fence.

I also think Tim is correct about her using an easy access.
Imagine carrying thirty pounds.
Take a five pound bag of sugar and hold it. Now hold six of them.
She didn't walk too far off of any road carrying that weight and she didn't walk way into the woods either.

We must be speaking about different things. If you are looking at the Sawgrass Apartment entrace on South Conway Road then turn around and you will see Lake Tennessee. While you will see some fencing, you will see a little driveway with a utility shed. Pull your car into this area, get out and you can walk to Lake Tennessee. People use this driveway to walk down to fish (now I know this because I've seen it. I used to think it was not accessable). There is a picture in the thread about Sawgrass that someone posted and I took the picture. This area is not fenced. You could easily walk with 30 people all shoulder to shoulder to the water's edge. I am guessing it would take Casey maybe forty paces from the car's trunk to drop something in the lake (i.e. not much of an effort).

 

[shadow of my mind]

Is there a gate system at Sutton Place? Didn't we read in Amy's testimony that in order to get into AL's apartment complex she had to call and try and get buzzed in (but snuck in behind a car in front of her). Maybe the Winter Park 9999 number is for the gate?

Yes, you are correct. Amy was at 7-11 just a little after 6:00AM on July 8 on her way to pick up Casey at Tony's apartment. She was basicaly across the street. Casey texted her and then Amy called her once when she got to the gates, but was able to get in and then called her again when she was at the apartment. Should be in interview on about page 1052 or close to it based on this part of her statemtent. Would be interesting to see if there time frame fits the call ending in 9999 if Casey called it to get the gate to go up to get out of the apartment on the way to the airport or if she just pushed the button to send the gate up. I would think that if she used a number to access that gate that number would show up all of the time on her phone records.

July 8 Amy called Casey twice once to get in the gate at Tony’s apartment and then when she goes to the apartment unit. Calls where around 6:15AM [3935 Sutton Pl Blvd Winter Park, FL 32792]
Page 1052 Lines 10-16 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Bold by me.

Anyone have a glimmer of hope @ identifying these?

According to WhitePages.com the (954) *advertiser censored*-9899 number comes back with this info:

Type: Cell PhoneProvider: Omnipoint Communications
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider.Type: Cell Phone
Provider: Omnipoint Communications
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

(Hope I got the number right!!)

 

[mommya]

Looking at the tax records the tax notices are going to the same address that the home is. Both are owned by a husband and wife. Names don't ring any bells with me but can PM you with them if you would like.

Please do - thanks.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

HMMMMM...AL said he did not go to NY until June 30th, right? And we see from his statements that he claims he was not cool with Casey driving his truck all around the town while he was gone. Why in the world would he allow her to take his truck while he's IN TOWN to go for a booty-call run? I'm totally confused...or maybe having a moment of clarity? Something just ain't right!

Yeah, it seems she went to CS's house in the afternoon in a dark colored Jeep with NY license plates.

Tony says that he only let her drive the car one time before he went to NY and he thinks it was in the week right before the 30th of June.

She told Chris that her car was broken so she couldn't drive it. I'm willing to bet that poor baby girl was in the trunk.

I'm so pissed at Tony's interviewer! How could he/she completely skip over the 16th through the 22nd of June in the timeline??!!! Maddening!

 

[shadow of my mind]

Please do - thanks.

On the way.

 

[Crabcake23]

As I look closely at the maps there are sooooo many dense, brushy, heavily treed areas around Orlando I just wonder if she will ever be found......I remember some searchers saying some of these areas were so thick they couldn't get into them.

Well, if they're so thick, then I'm sure Casey couldn't be bothered to venture too far into them either.

 

[Pink Panther]

Well, if they're so thick, then I'm sure Casey couldn't be bothered to venture too far into them either.

I think so too. I just cannot see her doing anything too messy or strenuous...Or anything that takes a long time. Unfortunately, I am still stuck on the idea that she dumped her into a body of water from a bridge.