All Sauvie Island Searches

[freefallzzzz]

Freefallzzzz..
the picture with the boxers? Were they found somewhere that K could have been? Is LE aware of those? Could they BE evidence?

That picture was taken at a turn out on the side of the road, there is a lot of evidence of fishing activity in that area, empty styrofoam containers (for worms), etc..

Those were pretty new, and laying right out there on the side of the little path that goes down to the lake..

Here is a picture of the pull out and the little road (very short) where I found them =)
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...2010%2008%202010/?action=view&current=11.jpg&

 

[Billylee]

Of course they could also be looking at two different places for two different things. A body at one location and a scene of the crime at another.

And yes, I remember the Amber search while they had Gardner in another location taking them to the body, so I guess it happens.

 

[LNL]

Went out for a drive with the dbf this afternoon. Was hoping the searchers would all be gone but sure enough, we saw some pop out on side of Reeder Rd somewhere past the first store you pass on Reeder Rd ( Reeder Beach Country Store I believe)

Went to the Sauvie Island Wildlife Viewing Platform #1 (right past the Mult/Columb County line) and saw mounted posse searchers

Went down Rentenaar Rd and saw at least 3 teams of SAR's that looked like they had just finished up for the day.

That is just what I saw at that point in time(s)

Took some pics, as I saw more search tape and tried to explain the areas better in the descriptions.

But it just seems they have tried to search off every non private road at least on Reeder Rd, along Reeder Rd, and yes I did hear they were on Oak Island Rd again today. I have given up on trying to figure out "why" they are out there other than looking for Kyron..=)..

The dbf is an avid fisherman and hunter, he could easily tell me if it was animal or people that had disturbed and made trails into the brush along the sides of some roads..

He has fished there a lot, in the lakes, rivers, and hunted also for many many years, and told me a lot of stuff about the rivers, the tide coming in and a bunch of other stuff that I have now forgot! =)

Nothing special in the photobucket but I was interested in the search tape I saw in the cornfield..

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/Sauvie 10 10 2010/

Free, do you know if they have searched the water around the wheelchair accessible fishing area in picture 23? It seems like there are places like that where there would be easy access to water for someone pushing a stroller with a body in it.

 

[freefallzzzz]

"Many of the ponds were adjacent to gravel roads, not main roads on the island."

I thought what was most interesting in this article was the above quote. Many who know the island have been saying it is impossible to dump anything without being seen. Would the view to these ponds be more obscured?

If you go to this photobucket and look at pictures 15, 16, 17, you can see that I was on an unnamed road off of Rentenaar Rd.. (There are several) And when you start going back into these roads you are pretty much on your own and don't see anybody.. Actually I saw nobody and I was stopping frequently just to take my hobby photography pictures..
And as it is now hunting season, I still didn't see any hunters, but I was there in the afternoon which most bird hunters are out sunrise to early/mid morning.. (according to dbf)

During June it is not hunting season (I'll double check if any hunting is allowed then or not but I believe not)

But in June there most likely would have been people on the island fishing the rivers, lakes for catfish, perch, carp, bluegill ect.. and off the beach (by the Columbia) for summer Steelhead.

When I was driving around Friday (while no searchers were there) I didn't really see many people, but I talked with the Columbia County Deputy yesterday and he mentioned seeing me Friday.. I didn't even notice him!=)

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/sauvie 10 08 2010/

 

[eyes4crime]

Of course they could also be looking at two different places for two different things. A body at one location and a scene of the crime at another.

And yes, I remember the Amber search while they had Gardner in another location taking them to the body, so I guess it happens.

If I recall - Gardner made a deal with LE. He only told LE where Amber could be found if it was never mentioned that he was the person who told them. That necessitated a diversion search. That was later changed and his name (the source) was given to Amber's parents and the media. Can't remember if it was a plea deal or not. The Amber and Chelsea cases are heartbreaking. Can't remember exactly so if I'm off base, sorry. moo mhoo

 

[Billylee]

If you go to this photobucket and look at pictures 15, 16, 17, you can see that I was on an unnamed road off of Rentenaar Rd.. (There are several) And when you start going back into these roads you are pretty much on your own and don't see anybody.. Actually I saw nobody and I was stopping frequently just to take my hobby photography pictures..
And as it is now hunting season, I still didn't see any hunters, but I was there in the afternoon which most bird hunters are out sunrise to early/mid morning.. (according to dbf)

During June it is not hunting season (I'll double check if any hunting is allowed then or not but I believe not)

But in June there most likely would have been people on the island fishing the rivers, lakes for catfish, perch, carp, bluegill ect.. and off the beach (by the Columbia) for summer Steelhead.

When I was driving around Friday (while no searchers were there) I didn't really see many people, but I talked with the Columbia County Deputy yesterday and he mentioned seeing me Friday.. I didn't even notice him!=)

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/sauvie 10 08 2010/

And remember it was raining the day Kyron disappeared, so there may not have been anyone fishing. You can hunt the wild turkeys twice a year, but I believe it's spring and fall.

 

[freefallzzzz]

Free, do you know if they have searched the water around the wheelchair accessible fishing area in picture 23? It seems like there are places like that where there would be easy access to water for someone pushing a stroller with a body in it.

I'll try to put some more pictures in that I took to show that area better (I didn't put them all in photobucket) but really the dock is the only convenient place or even easy place for someone in a wheelchair to access for fishing.

In the picture you see the man and to get where he was you have to walk along a little trail (not paved)..

Beyond that man is the main access to Gilbert River, and the boat ramp.

Right to the left of the the main boat ramp area, there is a path that runs along the river (and eventually you would get to where that man was fishing near the wheelchair accessible area) and search tape was seen midway down that path.

It's hard to just judge by the tape as I don't know the reasons they put it in the locations they do but we could see evidence of people going through the brush along that path and along the road that goes to the wheelchair accessible area at Gilbert River.

Helps to have a dbf that hunts and fishes as he can tell the difference between animals going through the brush vs humans, but even myself, it was fairly obvious some of the areas that had been disturbed (searched)..

link to picture of man fishing at wheelchair accessible area at Gilbert River.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/Sauvie 10 10 2010/?action=view&current=g11.jpg

 

[carbuff]

What if somebody came up by boat and dropped something on the banks? Would that be possible?

 

[freefallzzzz]

And remember it was raining the day Kyron disappeared, so there may not have been anyone fishing. You can hunt the wild turkeys twice a year, but I believe it's spring and fall.

Lol.. when it comes to true blue fishermen, rain doesn't make one bit of a difference =) Believe me, even I've been out with the dbf in the rain.. =)

I don't believe it was raining that much, (not like it was this Saturday when it was pouring down) I'll find a wunderground history of the weather on the island that day as it can be rainy in some areas and not in others and of course at different times.. =)

 

[freefallzzzz]

What if somebody came up by boat and dropped something on the banks? Would that be possible?

That is possible.. I'm going to get out the map I have here of Sauvie's that they give you at the store and have the dbf point out what is what as far as areas he's been fishing at, and get some info, like what river runs into what lake etc..as he's been all over and around that island fishing for years..

 

[ThoughtFox]

What if somebody came up by boat and dropped something on the banks? Would that be possible?

The question is, where would Terri get a boat? And "when" would she do that?

There is no boat in this case so far, and she had a limited schedule for being on Sauvie Island.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I'll try to put some more pictures in that I took to show that area better (I didn't put them all in photobucket) but really the dock is the only convenient place or even easy place for someone in a wheelchair to access for fishing.

In the picture you see the man and to get where he was you have to walk along a little trail (not paved)..

Beyond that man is the main access to Gilbert River, and the boat ramp.

Right to the left of the the main boat ramp area, there is a path that runs along the river (and eventually you would get to where that man was fishing near the wheelchair accessible area) and search tape was seen midway down that path.

It's hard to just judge by the tape as I don't know the reasons they put it in the locations they do but we could see evidence of people going through the brush along that path and along the road that goes to the wheelchair accessible area at Gilbert River.

Helps to have a dbf that hunts and fishes as he can tell the difference between animals going through the brush vs humans, but even myself, it was fairly obvious some of the areas that had been disturbed (searched)..

link to picture of man fishing at wheelchair accessible area at Gilbert River.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/Sauvie 10 10 2010/?action=view&current=g11.jpg

Do you know if the river has flooded out of it's banks at all since Kyron disappeared? And did they ever drag the shoreline? People may have talked about this but I don't recall. :waitasec:

 

[carbuff]

The question is, where would Terri get a boat? And "when" would she do that?

There is no boat in this case so far, and she had a limited schedule for being on Sauvie Island.

I wasn't assuming any particular person when I asked that question -- it just looked like the part of the riverbank where they were searching was easier to reach by water than by land.

 

[loves2bmom]

I can't take credit for this question but thought it might be worth talking about. Hoping this is the right thread?

Could the phone ping in question be coming TO her phone from Sauvie and not FROM her phone? I admit to not knowing how pings work though.

 

[boggled_in_ohio]

That's interesting someone posted about maybe they just got some results back with soil samples taken which could have put them back on the Sauvie Island lines of thinking. I also am wondering if they have dug deeper on purchases she may have made weeks or even months prior to June 4th and found some questionable items that could possibly be a murder weapon or something to aid in disposing a body with or just generally suspicious in nature.. Also, if they questioned her about said things, perhaps she could not produce them to show she still has these items in her possession? Also another thought occurred to me- I've been trying to think how she may have committed murder, her window of opportunity time frame is so short (so it seems anyways), and how she may have tried to not leave any trace evidence (i.e. blood, rope fibers/rope burns on body etc) Do you think it's possible she could have parked the truck somewhere with the engine on, and took her and the baby out, and let poor Kyron asphyxiate from carbon monoxide poisoning? How long would that take, and would it leave residual evidence behind they would find when they took the truck in to look over? or would it dissipate? It certainly would be an "easier" way for someone to do it, hands free, blood free, little evidence left behind compared to other methods.. Anyways what if they are looking for something like a hose that may have been used (to pipe exhaust fumes through?) something like that? As usual my thoughts are definitely off the beaten path and most of my posts are "against the grain" but it's JMO and wanted to throw it out there.

 

[PDXMom]

I've been out to SI at various times of the day and year, and I just can't figure out how she could be SURE no one would see her. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason wrt where and when people might be out there. A fisherperson or a photographer isn't bound to weather conditions. We go out in the middle of winter sometimes to see the frost on the pilings. Plus, there's a great view of Mt. St. Helens from that beach they searched this weekend. IMO, either she knew exactly where she was headed if she went out there (and she could have - Kaine said they went out there frequently) and had staked out the place beforehand, OR she stopped by the side of one of those roads between the school and SI, and dumped him there. I'm leaning toward the latter. If it is the latter, I just can't figure out where SI fits into this whole thing....

 

[Billylee]

From what we've looked at in the timeline (of course) we don't know what LE has ruled in or out, but it appears if she was on SI, she only had about 20 minutes there max. So if a boat was involved, it would be an accomplice taking Kyron, IMO.

I'm sooo not sure she was even on SI. If all they have is phone pings, I may be wrong, but you don't have to be on SI to have your phone ping there. There's a pretty tall phone tower there, and I was looking at Rainbow Lake across the highway from SI, when you do an antenna search there, the tallest one is on SI, so it's quite possible your phone could ping there. And, the way I understand it, your phone can ping without a phone call, so long as it's turned on. That's why I'm thinking LE just must have something more than phone pings, to be searching the east side of SI. Maybe I'll do an antenna search for the Island Cove Market and see where the local towers are.

 

[freefallzzzz]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104675229.html

This photog was at the same place I was taking these pictures, she had a way better zoom lens on her videocamera.

My pics are 21-25 showing where we were at and the searchers in distance.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/10 09 2010 SEARCH KYRON/
The line search shown in the article (first picture of the three) was done off the
road where you see the SUV's and they just did a short line search walk coming towards us.. not too far out into that field and then turned around and came back.
The horses did a line search to the right of that road..

That is where on Saturday I saw a MCSO shuttle van pick up searchers and drop some off, (behind in the trees where we could not see where they were) and a lot of the SAR's parked their trucks and horse trailers at that barn (shown in my pictures)

Yesterday again I saw horses going down that same road (there is no name for it on any maps)

In regards to the whole search...
I know Saturday they had 3 MCSO vans shuttling SAR's back and forth from SAR Base to their designated search areas and Sunday they had two and I actually saw them going back and forth both days = $$ gas...

I also know that in last weekends search and this weekend, they had the big Multnomah County Mobile Communications vehicle there (I cannot remember the name exactly, we followed it out of the island yesterday) which also = $$ for employees to be in there and gas

And they had a mobile repeater antenna that had to be manned by MCSO Radio Techs, so that there could be better communication between SAR Base at Sauvie Island School and the searchers with radios out in the field.. = $$ for those employees (Radio Techs)

So I think that MCSO had to have some $$ invested in this and believed there is reason to put all those searchers out there.

Why Sauvie's again.., I have no clue.
I've stopped trying to figure it out.

They have been all over Cornelius Pass and back in the brush off there, around the school, Germantown & Old Germantown Rds, just to name a "few" of the search areas I've seen myself the past months.. they have covered a LOT of area..

As a local and knowing the areas they have been searching in, I do believe MCSO is putting a lot of work and effort into finding Kyron, and IMO crossing every t and dotting every i to make sure nothing is missed..

I know we are just seeing a small part of the efforts they are making/doing to find him and there is probably a heck of a lot more, I'm sure of it, that the public has no clue about (as far as efforts, time, and what they have looked into)

 

[LNL]

Free, I was just thinking that she could roll the stroller up to the structure in picture #23 and drop him over the railing, then let the current do the rest.

 

[cluciano63]

I am watching a Disappeared episode about Brittanee Drexel, and they were able to trace her cellphone to a location by the pings that hit it when friends were trying to call her. So even though she did not answer, the phone told LE where she must have been. So if anyone called TH, even if she did not pick up, it would record where the phone was, apparently.