Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[Gardenlady]

Oh, you mean like American reporters, such as those on FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.?

Isn't it funny? Many Americans act like our "stuff" don't stink. As if we have perfect, unbiased media, as if our justice system would never, ever railroad anyone (ha..hahahaha...ha), as if everything we do here is above the rest of the world. And then these same Americans are just amazed, amazed! that the rest of the world doesn't see things that way. :lol:

 

[aa9511]

This has all been discussed to death. No, disrespect... but I am not going to rehash it all. Please do not take my lack of responses as some sort of admittance that I'm "stumped." I not, I'm just making a choice. And I rather be honest than ignore these sorts of post.

I'm looking forward and hoping for swift and complete justice. IMO that means Amanda behind bars in Italy.




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Yes, exactly. ITA. I need a couple of days to at least digest this VERDICT before I start up with discussing/debating the evidence again. You know, like the trials in the US - once a guilty verdict is given, it's usually that's that. If it's acquittal, it's usually b/c the jury didn't find enough to overcome reasonable doubt, so that's that, also. It's very rarely that we start back up discussing evidence again, because that would mean that we think the defendant had nothing to do with it, and we're still trying to figure out who did it.

I am still trying to figure out exactly what the sequence of events was and exactly what happened that night, but I have no doubt who was involved. And as for the first, we will probably never know, just like we don't know with many, many murders, exactly what how everything happened. Even with Travis' death, many questions remain as to exactly what led up to Jodi planning all of it, and exactly how she cleaned up after herself, what did she do with the gun/knife/bloody clothes, etc..

 

[concernedmother]

:modstop:

Do I need to call Kimster in here with her raygun?

Go easy on each other. Emotions are running very high in this case, but we are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions.

Post of the day. lol

 

[aa9511]

The runaway bride also accused a black man of kidnapping her, IIRC.

Of course. Just like Amanda got a Black man to do her prank with her and RS - same reason. Stereotype of Black man. She knew that would scare Meredith and make her think it was a real robbery - a physical Black man wearing a mask grabbing her.

 

[otto]

A good read ... entertaining

Amanda Knox's murder conviction: Does it help if you're pretty, white and flush the loo?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/10-things-learned-amanda-knox-3097648#.UuwNlPv-DCM

Good Interview with Alan Dershowitz

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wo...er-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn

 

[concernedmother]

Will they remain out of jail until after their appeal?

 

[otto]

Will they remain out of jail until after their appeal?

The judge will submit a summary of the reasonings and logic of the verdict. Knox and Sollecito can appeal. If so, the prosecution will respond. That will go to the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court finds errors in the reasoning, it will be sent back to the appelate court. If the reasoning is logical and valid, the conviction will be upheld.

The summary of the reasonings is due in 90 days. The Supreme Court ruling could take 1-2 years, although that may go a little faster given the circumstances.

Yes, Knox will be restricted to the US and Sollecito will be restricted to Italy until the Supreme Court confirms the verdict.

 

[Jessica2012]

The judge will submit a summary of the reasonings and logic of the verdict. Knox and Sollecito can appeal. If so, the prosecution will respond. That will go to the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court finds errors in the reasoning, it will be sent back to the appelate court. If the reasoning is logical and valid, the conviction will be upheld.

The summary of the reasonings is due in 90 days. The Supreme Court ruling could take 1-2 years, although that may go a little faster given the circumstances.

Yes, Knox will be restricted to the US and Sollecito will be restricted to Italy until the Supreme Court confirms the verdict.

Otto, when is the point they would actually be jailed?

 

[Vinny]

So, will they wait until the supreme court ruling before they begin the extradition process?

 

[otto]

Otto, when is the point they would actually be jailed?

I don't know for sure, but my understanding is that extradition requests will begin after the verdict is confirmed by the Supreme Court, so in 1-2 years. I understand that extradition can begin now, but that it must be based on the belief that Knox will flee. In a sense, that is impossible as her prior conviction has already severely restricted her opportunities to travel.

 

[SMK]

The summary of the reasonings is due in 90 days. The Supreme Court ruling could take 1-2 years, although that may go a little faster given the circumstances.
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I hope they can speed it up , all things considered. It has been over 6 years as it is; and they are clearly a flight risk. I read somewhere today, that they may rush it and be done with it this summer. Is that possible, Otto?

 

[redheadedgal]

Sollecito apparently left court yesterday to flee:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ined-italy-austria-border-reports-amanda-knox

if he was fleeing he would've been stopped AT an international border... he wasn't.

:twocents: The only book I've read so far is John Follain's book, Death In Perugia, which I found to be unbiased and accurate.

posters in these threads have uncovered several mistakes in follain's book... several can be read at www.amazon.com as well.

I've been looking for some legal precedent as to whether Knox would be extradited or not

http://openjurist.org/507/f2d/925/united-states-bloomfield-v-gengler-e-ettinger

see note #10 re: "sense of decency"

see note #12 re: "insufficient evidence"

and possibly note #11 re: "conviction in absentia"

i believe there is possible evidence supporting all the above... and therefore the case cited above cannot be sufficiently compared to italy vs. knox/sollecito.


do you have the names of the [independent/unrelated to the case] experts who described the dna as uncontaminated as requested in the previous thread? tia.

The Kercher family have no control over the judicial process, or the verdict. Lashing out at them seems deeply unfair.

i saw no "lashing out", but their names are on the SCC opinion...

 

[otto]

"Amanda Knox has been ordered to pay £3.6 million compensation to the Kercher family, compounding financial woes which she insists are already dire.

The figure was set in her first trial and was confirmed by the Florence court that has reconvicted her of murdering Meredith Kercher.

Her co-defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, has been ordered to pay the same sum."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...scape-extradition-murder-British-student.html

 

[Elley Mae]

Amanda Knox: heading for an extradition fight?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-01-31-19-20-33

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The U.S. has had an extradition treaty with Italy since 1984 and has denied at least several requests since then.

Knox was first convicted, then acquitted, then, on Thursday, the initial conviction was reinstated.

Some observers dismiss the double-jeopardy argument because Knox's acquittal was not finalized by Italy's highest court.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Isn't it funny? Many Americans act like our "stuff" don't stink. As if we have perfect, unbiased media, as if our justice system would never, ever railroad anyone (ha..hahahaha...ha), as if everything we do here is above the rest of the world. And then these same Americans are just amazed, amazed! that the rest of the world doesn't see things that way. :lol:

I can't even stand American CNN!

CNN is far better in other countries! IMO .....where the top story isn't Kim kadashian pays a tailor 5k a day to make her butt look good.

I prefer BBC news.




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[LemonCloud]

Yes. And it's Italy, not a third-world country where, yes, corruption runs rampant in some of those countries. But this is Italy, for Goodness sake! That's why the US has an extradition treaty with them - b/c it respects their justice system. If they didn't respect it, they wouldn't have signed the treaty with them in the first place. That's just common sense.

A million "thank you's" for posting this. I may not be "contributing" but I DO want to say that as a southern italian (living in Canada) I'm tired of the comments regarding Italy and its justice system. I don't believe America's justice is much better (Casey Anthony, et al.) just my two cents.

 

[otto]

"Knox would also then be under threat of arrest and deportation to Italy if she travelled to any other country that holds an extradition treaty with Rome. This includes Canada, several major Latin American states, Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe.
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Some supporters of Knox have argued that having been acquitted in 2011, she would be protected under the U.S. constitution from &#8220;double jeopardy&#8221;. Yet the U.S.-Italy extradition treaty only protects Americans who face prosecution again in Italy for an offence that has already been dealt with by the U.S. &#8220;This is not applicable in this situation,&#8221; said Prof Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York.

For extradition candidates such as Knox, who have already been convicted, the treaty states that Italy must merely produce &#8220;a brief statement of the facts of the case,&#8221; as well as the text of the laws governing the crime committed, the punishment the person would receive, and its statute of limitations.

The Obama administration could find some reason to decline a request. However, it would need to weigh this against the potential blow to cooperation on organized crime and other areas between the two governments."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ller-says-she-wont-willingly-return-to-italy/

 

[aa9511]

A good read ... entertaining

Amanda Knox's murder conviction: Does it help if you're pretty, white and flush the loo?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/10-things-learned-amanda-knox-3097648#.UuwNlPv-DCM

Good Interview with Alan Dershowitz

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wo...er-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn

Thank you thank you so much for this!! FINALLY, an American expert doing some "truth-tellin'" on mainstream media about Amanda's case....thank you. This is so nice to hear. Such a change. We are so used to hearing Amanda's side in the mainstream media, for sooooooooo long.

 

[SMK]

"Knox would also then be under threat of arrest and deportation to Italy if she travelled to any other country that holds an extradition treaty with Rome. This includes Canada, several major Latin American states, Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe.
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Some supporters of Knox have argued that having been acquitted in 2011, she would be protected under the U.S. constitution from “double jeopardy”. Yet the U.S.-Italy extradition treaty only protects Americans who face prosecution again in Italy for an offence that has already been dealt with by the U.S. “This is not applicable in this situation,” said Prof Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York.

For extradition candidates such as Knox, who have already been convicted, the treaty states that Italy must merely produce “a brief statement of the facts of the case,” as well as the text of the laws governing the crime committed, the punishment the person would receive, and its statute of limitations.

The Obama administration could find some reason to decline a request. However, it would need to weigh this against the potential blow to cooperation on organized crime and other areas between the two governments."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ller-says-she-wont-willingly-return-to-italy/

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And look at this, Otto:

Questions also have been raised about whether the State Department might conduct a review of the evidence and ultimately decide it doesn't support extradition. The treaty says the country requesting extradition shall provide a summary of the facts and evidence in the case that establish "a reasonable basis to believe that the person sought committed the offense."

But Christopher Jenks, a former Army attorney who served as a State Department legal adviser and now teaches at Southern Methodist University's law school, said that's a low bar, and that there's "no reason why Italy wouldn't be able to put together a sufficient extradition request."

He also noted that although any request would wind up before a U.S. federal judge, the court's role would largely be to ensure the paperwork is in order and that basic requirements are met.

"She's not going to be able to relitigate `did she do it' in a federal court," he said. "Your chances of anything coming of that are slim to none."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-01-31-19-20-33

 

[Linda7NJ]

I predict the media tide is going to turn against Amanda. Americans have very short attention spans. The same spiel will not be profitable for media outlets. No one will be tuning in to listen to Amanda say the same things.
All IMO



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^^^^ and the tide is turning.... ^^


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