Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#4
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LOL! Exactly! And then there is the question of, if the conviction is upheld, would Amanda or for that matter RS, even serve their time? I have a hunch RS will try to escape the country and disappear forever, and as for Amanda I do not know what her plans on. Either escape or fight the extradition.
Which in that case, it would give both "sides" plenty to talk about forever!
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Memory from where?
The only thing showing who exactly was profiled would be the trial records or investigator's reports. Have they been made public?
What about Patrick?
There are usually errors. Not enough to let someone(s) get away with murder in this case IMO.
Yes, I agree. But their claims in that case would not have any merit whatsoever. In this case, with the bra clasp, the delay is something worth some merit. IMO.
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@aa. If bones or other material can be collected MANY years later (moved, falling apart, missing pieces, dirt, decay, etc.) and the findings be ok... why can't a clasp that moved a couple of feet and was sealed at a crime scene be ok? The knife wasn't delayed... same mess happens with it- wrong analysis, bad analysis, rigged analysis, contamination, planting, on-and-on, bla-bla-bla. Merit is relative.
No video tape of witnesses- What? she was already a suspect.
Confession- she was confused and being hit by ghost.
Accusation- police forced it out of her.
RS prison diary- he just writing out loud and the police stole it/copied was illegal.
Bathmat boogie- everybody does that on a bloody bathmat.
Hellmann completely overturned- Hellmann and C&V still right.
Should we continue?
No video tape of witnesses- What? she was already a suspect.
Confession- she was confused and being hit by ghost.
Accusation- police forced it out of her.
RS prison diary- he just writing out loud and the police stole it/copied was illegal.
Bathmat boogie- everybody does that on a bloody bathmat.
Hellmann completely overturned- Hellmann and C&V still right.
Should we continue?
This is where the uneven burden comes into play. If RS and AK are acquitted, and the acquittal is confirmed, the prosecution is over. As it should be.
AK and RS have an additional court to which they can appeal, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR). They can also appeal to Italian courts.
I would suggest that plenty of evidence implicates Knox, Sollecito and Guede. DNA analysis confirms that the DNA from one of the culprits is where it should not be: on Meredith's underwear. Is it reasonable to exclude this DNA evidence simply because the victim's boyfriend DNA may also be in the same location?
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Did you see my response to that otto ? It's on the last page.
It is not known if there is one other contributor or more. What is known is that Sollecito's DNA is on Meredith's bra clasp and there is no good reason for it to be there. There is no reasonable explanation for contamination because there is no original source for the contamination. We are to believe that Sollecito's DNA, from nowhere, flew into Meredith's bedroom and landed on her bra clasp.
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No it's not a google translation. I'm guessing you haven't read it? Although people want to keep quoting Hellmann and C&V when the cassation court disregarded their findings. That's why we are back at the appeal level after all.
Don't know for sure...
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Hmmmm Hellmann vs NUMEROUS Italian Judges including their supremes..
I don't know why some hold Hellmann to such high esteem while all the other judges don't know what they are talking about, can't read evidence correctly, and are illogical in their thoughts.
I don't know why some hold Hellmann to such high esteem while all the other judges don't know what they are talking about, can't read evidence correctly, and are illogical in their thoughts.
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Lol, I don't mean to sound offensive, but you sound like a daily mail journalist sometimes!
That's probably true of all people that teach at Universities.
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I like to think I don't. But that may be self deception.
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I feel the same way! And I may disagree with some in this case and Agree on another case.I still respect and value everyones opinions and love that we can have this back and forth without getting rude and disrespectful.
We all like to think that we make sense, but the ivory tower is notorious for housing people that are incapable of reducing higher level theory to layman language. On the upside, ivory tower residents should be open minded ... should be.
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From the cassation reasoning regarding C&V
"The error in reasoning is obvious, [according to the Prosecutor General], in that the burden of proof falls on the one who asserts, not on the one who denies: if the refutation of scientific evidence entails a circumstance of fact which is the contamination of a piece of evidence, then that circumstance must be specifically proved. Nothing was said in the judgment about how the DNA found on the blade of the knife and Sollecito’s DNA on the clasp of the bra worn by Meredith could have been the result of contamination, considering how far apart in time the two tests were carried out [from other tests]. In addition, the negative controls by the biological geneticist from the Scientific Police were represented as not having been done, but turned out in fact to have been done. Nor could the experts indicate any specific source of contamination, limiting themselves instead to asserting that anything is possible."
"The error in reasoning is obvious, [according to the Prosecutor General], in that the burden of proof falls on the one who asserts, not on the one who denies: if the refutation of scientific evidence entails a circumstance of fact which is the contamination of a piece of evidence, then that circumstance must be specifically proved. Nothing was said in the judgment about how the DNA found on the blade of the knife and Sollecito’s DNA on the clasp of the bra worn by Meredith could have been the result of contamination, considering how far apart in time the two tests were carried out [from other tests]. In addition, the negative controls by the biological geneticist from the Scientific Police were represented as not having been done, but turned out in fact to have been done. Nor could the experts indicate any specific source of contamination, limiting themselves instead to asserting that anything is possible."
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Conti and Vecchiotti made it a point to discuss all of the extra DNA on the clasp. They also pointed out numerous collection errors made by the forensic police.
The CSC misconstrued Conti's (IIRC) response to a question. It seems as if the CSC didn't bother to read one word of their report and plucked Conti's response "Anything is possible" out of context. Why am I not surprised?
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